|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
36fuckin5
Alchemycologist


Registered: 08/11/03
Posts: 12,081
Loc: Diving into Mystical Territori...
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
#19409459 - 01/12/14 05:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
You can do both, and waste your time and money, or you can learn from other people wasting their time and money. I prefer to let other people waste time while I do things right nowadays. I feel like I've already wasted enough on half-assed methods that aren't well thought out or come from someone who just doesn't understand things very well. 
I still experiment once in a while myself, but I do it within the confines of rationality that follows reading a LOT about these things.
If you really have to see the results of your experiment, you can look them up for free. Lots of people have tried it.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
|
Hashbuble
Mycocentric Mutha Fucker


Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 860
Loc:
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19409499 - 01/12/14 06:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I'm sorry, but I disagree with you.
To each his own.
I didn't believe in California until I went there.I've been there now, now I know it's real. That being said, I've been growing for a long time. I have tried 95% of the methods on this site. I always learn something that I couldn't get from reading. If you have a link to the methods I outline in this thread, I am interested. Growing iso's in spawn bags compared to FC's, I'd love that link. Also, I don't think you have read my post carefully enough in this thread. This tek is NOT for harvesting mushrooms, it's for easily identifying prolific iso's.
-------------------- The mushrooms just keep following me
|
bodhisatta 
Smurf real estate agent



Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,890
Loc: Milky way
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
#19409632 - 01/12/14 06:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
You can learn and learn until you're a "pro" and then push new boundaries and learn new things, but you may be jaded and have some views developed. You can experiment right away but your experiments are going to be low quality, but you'll still learn from failure, at least you can come here and make sure you are not trying something that is already a complete fail but if you're still trying new things then so what. As long as you're not driving like shit on the roads I don't care how you drive your projects. If you're getting something out of it then awesome.
That doesn't mean we don't want to keep this place noob friendly. Sometimes I know I come off as a dick but that's so the lurkers and people who search up these posts can see an opinion of someone who went from noob to what I would call pretty damn good success in like 6 months. Sure I'm no expert but I can at least lay a guide for the people who are starting out where I was 6 months ago.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (01/12/14 06:48 PM)
|
36fuckin5
Alchemycologist


Registered: 08/11/03
Posts: 12,081
Loc: Diving into Mystical Territori...
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
#19409637 - 01/12/14 06:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hashbuble said: I didn't believe in California until I went there.I've been there now, now I know it's real.
If that's how you think, you're gonna have a hard life.
Quote:
That being said, I've been growing for a long time. I have tried 95% of the methods on this site. I always learn something that I couldn't get from reading. If you have a link to the methods I outline in this thread, I am interested.
I've seen it a lot. You'll have to search.
Quote:
Growing iso's in spawn bags compared to FC's, I'd love that link. Also, I don't think you have read my post carefully enough in this thread. This tek is NOT for harvesting mushrooms, it's for easily identifying prolific iso's.
You can only identify an iso that's prolific IN THE ENVIRONMENT YOU GIVE THEM. Plain and simple. If you fruit in bags, you'll get some results but they won't tell you which one is the best iso in good conditions.
Why do you think commercial edible farms don't all use the same isolate? It's because they choose the best one for their environment.
Bottom line is you're adding a variable to your experiment, so you can never get proper results.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
|
Hashbuble
Mycocentric Mutha Fucker


Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 860
Loc:
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19409681 - 01/12/14 07:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
36fuckin5 said "You can only identify an iso that's prolific IN THE ENVIRONMENT YOU GIVE THEM"
No offense, but I think that is complete and total bullshit.
some super aggressive cubensis genetics that I isolate can grow in anything, and I can spot that aggressiveness in poor conditions and in good ones. It's not wise to speak in definitive s
-------------------- The mushrooms just keep following me
|
36fuckin5
Alchemycologist


Registered: 08/11/03
Posts: 12,081
Loc: Diving into Mystical Territori...
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
#19409691 - 01/12/14 07:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I give up. Waste your money if you like.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
|
Hashbuble
Mycocentric Mutha Fucker


Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 860
Loc:
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19409710 - 01/12/14 07:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Innovation and experimentation is never a waste my friend, It's and investment.
-------------------- The mushrooms just keep following me
|
36fuckin5
Alchemycologist


Registered: 08/11/03
Posts: 12,081
Loc: Diving into Mystical Territori...
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
#19409717 - 01/12/14 07:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hashbuble said: Innovation and experimentation is never a waste my friend, It's and investment. 
I agree, but this is nowhere near innovation, and the experimentation has already been done.
I expect lower returns on your investment than you should get with good methods, and I do mean in the long term.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
|
bodhisatta 
Smurf real estate agent



Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,890
Loc: Milky way
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19409720 - 01/12/14 07:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
He doesn't get it, that the best way to do things was an experiment as well. Inception.
|
Hashbuble
Mycocentric Mutha Fucker


Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 860
Loc:
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: bodhisatta]
#19409738 - 01/12/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
bodhisatta said: He doesn't get it, that the best way to do things was an experiment as well. Inception. 
Bodhisatta,
Why do what I've already done before. I know those methods work from experience. I'm trying to move forward (not do things that myself and others have done thousands of times before) Tell me what the definition of insanity is?
Like I said, if anyone has any real hands on experience of the tek outlined in this forum, or even a working link, hook a brother up, and stop telling me things I learned 10 years ago!
-------------------- The mushrooms just keep following me
|
bodhisatta 
Smurf real estate agent



Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,890
Loc: Milky way
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
#19409757 - 01/12/14 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Yes but people have found out their isolates have performed not as well in the intended place as they did in a test environment.
|
Hashbuble
Mycocentric Mutha Fucker


Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 860
Loc:
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: bodhisatta]
#19409767 - 01/12/14 07:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
bodhisatta said: Yes but people have found out their isolates have performed not as well in the intended place as they did in a test environment.
Perfect! Finally! What was there test environment?
Can I PLEASE get a link to this endeavor?
-------------------- The mushrooms just keep following me
|
bodhisatta 
Smurf real estate agent



Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,890
Loc: Milky way
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
#19409780 - 01/12/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
It's in mycology books, Maybe google books or amazon has previews in them. Paul Stamments(sp) etc..
|
cronicr



Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle
Last seen: 2 years, 1 month
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: bodhisatta]
#19409801 - 01/12/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I use brf cakes to test isolates. What leads you to think if you're going to grow on horse manure later that you need to test your isolates on horse manure? You can find the best isolates on brf cakes and then grow them on horse manure later for larger yields. You'll hear all sorts of stories about how you need to test on the substrate you'll use later, and there might be some truth to that with the harder to grow edibles, but cubes will grow on anything, so it's not applicable. RR http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10468360#10468360
The fastest method of testing isolates is to make brf cakes without the verm layer, using a tyvek filter instead. Place a wedge of each strain in each brf cake. Don't waste time making LC(ever) or going to grains if the species you're testing will grow on cakes. RR http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13705010#13705010 if you search testing isolates and click the tc button, all that comes up is cake testing and probably for a good reason
--------------------
  It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn I'm tired do me a favor
|
Hashbuble
Mycocentric Mutha Fucker


Registered: 08/24/11
Posts: 860
Loc:
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: bodhisatta]
#19409812 - 01/12/14 07:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I have all Pauls books, and read them all thoroughly, I know him personally as well. He actually taught me cultivation and phenotype isolation on his farm in Olypimpia. He never mentioned to me or in his books the question I ask. That's ok though, I believe I know the answer anyways. I was just looking for some objective, constructive input.
The fastest method of testing isolates is to make brf cakes without the verm layer, using a tyvek filter instead. Place a wedge of each strain in each brf cake. Don't waste time making LC(ever) or going to grains if the species you're testing will grow on cakes. RR
Thanks Cron,
That is helpful (the wedge in the cake)
-------------------- The mushrooms just keep following me
Edited by Hashbuble (01/12/14 07:38 PM)
|
urbanacres
wanttolearn

Registered: 10/06/14
Posts: 9
Last seen: 9 years, 3 months
|
Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
#20708628 - 10/15/14 10:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
So with these bags would I only have to poke holes when they are closer to being fully colonized? I just mixed grain spawn with straw and did these bags today and am not sure about putting holes in them because of the filter patch. If holes are needed, how many? thanks any info helps very new to this
|
|