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My First Grow
    #19409511 - 01/12/14 06:11 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Alllll right, so for the first time in my life I am setting out to grow some mushrooms! I have never tripped, have never grown, and learned 100% everything that I know so far from the web starting a few months ago. Here's just a brief picture showing my starting supplies. For my first time I will be using the standard PF tek in conjunction with an RR standard SGFC.



My first mistake that I've noticed: I realize I already bought miracle-gro perlite, and I'm prepared to deal with that suitably when the time comes to birth.

I intend for my thread here to be continually updated and I'll hopefully be able to note the steps that I go through with in depth pictures and descriptions of everything. I think it's important to document the grow because I am so new, and would benefit greatly from the feedback of others if something goes wrong. I believe that if I fuck up at any point, and I am still paying great attention to my grow log, then the chances that I will screw it up the next time can be greatly, if not completely diminished.

If people visit my log enough I will use it as a place to ask questions in anticipation of future steps and so forth.

Thanks tons for all of the starting information on the forum that I have found thus far, and I'll talk to you soon. Going to get started tonight.


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And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19409698 - 01/12/14 07:05 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Follow the Teks to a t, where beginners get in trouble is when they start to experiment and deviate even a little. I did PF Tek every time until I was ready to try bulk and I never had any contams, fruiting issues, etc. When in doubt, reread the FULL Tek and revisit your issue, then search the forums for hours on end and revisit your issue, then if your still lost, ask questions (with pictures) on the forum

Good luck and have fun! Growing mushrooms can be very addicting it's so enjoyable!


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Re: My First Grow [Re: baldwintpenguin]
    #19417952 - 01/14/14 03:46 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Ok, here's an update so far.

After I got off of here with my initial post I got straight to work. The first step was to punch some holes in the lids of my culture jars.

I realized quickly that I don't have all of the proper tools for punching holes in lids. As a matter of fact I don't have the correct size gauge nail for my syringes at all. So I improvised, which actually turned out to be the smoothest way I could have done it, I think.



I started with markering in 4 dots on each lid, rubber side up, and then attached each lid to their jars, again rubber up. With all of the lids attached, I then hammered a very tiny hole with a small nail that I've got, and I found that it went clean through the lid without severely denting the metal or warping the surface. This is one positive point to using a small nail. After I was done with punching the tiny holes, I whipped out my trusty screw driver and a screw that can create a hole wide enough for the needle of the syringe to go through.



I began to screw the nail into the already opened hole of each lid, and I found a second really good point to doing this, which is that this was a near effortless procedure and created no loud noises (I've got lots of neighbors). Again, this was awesome because the screw often screwed very easily into the hole, which had been cleanly made without any lid shrapnel or too much fraying of the metal.


Here you can tell which ones I clearly screwed up by being too belligerent, and the others with the more methodical process.



After ALL THIS, I finally got around to preparing the substrate, so here's some pics of that.






Once it was all said and done, I wrapped each jar with foil and put it in my pot.






Went on ahead with the boiling, following the directions of 90 minutes as suggested by many on here.

Since then I have also inoculated my jars, but I don't have any pictures of this.

ALSO, something funny and kind of weird but hopefully not detrimental, is I'm not sure which strain I put into my jars. I took the labels off of my syringes not realizing that I had been given two separate strains, and so I may possibly have inoculated Malabar or B+, not sure which!

Uhm, so that's all for now.

Jars are currently in one of my closets, open to the air with the heat turned on. It's like 50 degrees all winter where I live, so I need the temps to be about 80 in here.

I'll let you know if and when I start getting growth in my jars. Being a complete noob, I have no idea or any expectation as to what is going to happen, so it'll be fun to wait and see, even if nothing happens.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19418069 - 01/14/14 04:12 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

good luck my man, i too am on my first grow except i didnt realize my first mistake till about a week after, first i went with the tall 1/2 jars which was stupid on my part, second mistake i made (im happy you didnt make this one) was the amount of holes in the jar (i only made 2). honestly not to big a deal it just allows more point for inoculation. last mistake i made was making an incubator, I had it set to high and it slowed my jars down way to much so i took them out and put them on the shelf and they are alot better now growing alot faster at 73-75 degrees then 83-86 degrees. best of luck and looking forward to seeing progress.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: xBELLSPROUTx]
    #19418523 - 01/14/14 05:39 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Looks pretty good for now. How many jars did you get nocc'ed up?


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19418564 - 01/14/14 05:46 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Did you remember to put a layer of vermiculite over your subtrate? What mix ratio did you use for your substrate? Did you take the tin foil off of your jars after they were done sterilizing? How much mL of spore solution did you inject in each hole? Other than that, awesome post man. I'll be sitting back, :popcorn:, and watching. I am very eager to see how your grow goes. Good luck and good vibes sent your way.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Webster10]
    #19419357 - 01/14/14 07:56 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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Looks pretty good for now. How many jars did you get nocc'ed up?




I have chosen to inoculate 12 culture jars; all made with BRF.

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Did you remember to put a layer of vermiculite over your subtrate?




I remembered to put my layer of vermiculite over the substrate. The layer is dry, plain, and sits roughly 1/2 an inch thick. A couple of these jars verm layer got a little bit shuffled during sterilization and merely me handling them a little too roughly, but all in all the layer seems to be intact in the jars.

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Webster10 said:What mix ratio did you use for your substrate?




For the contents of the substrate, I went ahead and used the 2 parts vermiculite to every 1 part water and 1 part BRF. Since I knew I was making 12 jars, I decided I wanted 4.8 cups of vermiculite, 2.4 cups BRF, and 2.4 cups water.

To make the mixture I merely eyeballed the amounts I threw into my bowl. I started with the water and the vermiculite, mixed very thoroughly, then added the BRF and mixed thoroughly some more. By the end the mixture was very even, fluffy, and slightly damp as the picture indicates.

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Webster10 said:Did you take the tin foil off of your jars after they were done sterilizing?




I did. Just before inoculating each culture jar, I went ahead and removed the foil, inoculated, and then left the foil off and disposed of it in the waste basket.

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Webster10 said:How much mL of spore solution did you inject in each hole?




Since I was doing 12 jars and only had easy access to one of my syringes, I inoculated slightly less than 1 cc into each jar, distributing the amount evenly between all four of the holes in each lid.

By the last jar, I was really hurting for more spores, and one of the holes barely got much of anything, but otherwise I did a surprisingly good job of distributing everything out evenly. (at least I was surprised that I had managed to make it through 12 jars with only one syringe.)

Hope this answers the questions so far!! :smile:

Throw anymore that ya got right at me and I'll answer best I can!!!


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19419370 - 01/14/14 07:59 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

nailed it!


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Re: My First Grow [Re: cronicr]
    #19419400 - 01/14/14 08:05 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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nailed it!



:whathesaid:... I really am looking forward to seeing the first flush.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Webster10]
    #19419697 - 01/14/14 09:06 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

:amusedapplause:

good start...


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Matty_Rulez]
    #19420280 - 01/14/14 11:17 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Ah yes, the good ole pk tek days :smile:. Looks very good so far OP.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Valyr]
    #19421001 - 01/15/14 02:06 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Thanks so much for the support, guys. Like I say, everything that I have learned has been 100% off of the web. If growing is something you are dedicated to learning and memorizing your tek, then you will have positive results.

But of course I'm still getting ahead of myself. Jars are just in my closet right now with NO growth and absolutely nothing to show for my efforts so far.

..........I'm waiting ever so patiently.

I will update with pictures as soon as I get some growth;

Any growth.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19421008 - 01/15/14 02:10 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

I know they aren't recommended but I used tall 1/2 pints and Miracle Grow perlite and have had pretty fine success.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Krik]
    #19421170 - 01/15/14 03:43 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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I know they aren't recommended but I used tall 1/2 pints and Miracle Grow perlite and have had pretty fine success.




Yeah neither of these things seem like too big an issue to me.

I didn't personally use the tall jars like BELL SPROUT, and am really glad I got the kerr wide mouth ones that I wanted, but I imagine the only real problem is getting the cakes out intact, which can probably be done just by simply being more careful.

As for the perlite, my plan is just to rinse the shit out of that mother in the bathtub and get it really clean. I want to rinse my batches once or twice over the course of several days if I can, but if you guys know of any better way to deal with the miracle grow and all of it's algae proneness ahead of time, that would be fantastic information to have.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19422611 - 01/15/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Krik are you saying you use perlite in your cakes?

The tall ones also compact the cake too much and make it difficult to colonize the bottoms. They can work, but the widemouths are much better and colonize much quicker.

Nocc'ing up from spores can take up until a week before you see any growth, but usually within 3 or 4 days you'll see some growth.

Did you use a SAB to knock up your jars? or open air? Dis you flame your syringe at least before every jar?


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Re: My First Grow [Re: vikingsc]
    #19422627 - 01/15/14 12:35 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

I'll be watching, looks like you got everything down! :cheers:


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Re: My First Grow [Re: vikingsc]
    #19422725 - 01/15/14 12:58 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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vikingsc said:Did you use a SAB to knock up your jars? or open air? Dis you flame your syringe at least before every jar?




Hello there. This is actually one of the things I chose to skimp on. I did not inoculate my culture jars using a glove box, and instead chose to inoculate in the open air. I will describe the way my inoculation went in detail.

For the inoculating procedure, I first wiped down an island counter in my kitchen with Clorox wipes and a dry paper toil. I took my completely cooled pot and set it on my island counter to begin the procedure.

Without any gloves on (but with clean hands), I prepared my needle and syringe for inoculation. I had a clean whiskey glass on the counter to place my syringe in upside down (with the needle in the air) between each inoculation so that I could take some time to unwrap the foil on the top of each particular jar I was inoculating.

Before my first jar, and subsequently between each jar after that I flame sterilized my needle with a bic lighter that I used to use for smoking weed some month or two ago. I would hold the flame under the needle in such a way that the blue portion of it was continuously running up and down the needle for something like 30 seconds. My needle never glowed red hot, which had me worried for some reason, because I felt as though 30 seconds under the flame was not enough time to actually sterilize everything completely.

Nevertheless, once the needle had become very hot, I would slowly press down the plunger on my syringe and hear the hissing of the syringe liquid coming out of the tip and steaming up into the air. As soon as I heard that noise stop I realized my needle was cool again and immediately went to inoculate the four holes of my culture jars.

So for the first step I set my syringe down in the whiskey glass so that the needle was in the air, and never touching a surface of any kind. Second step was to unwrap each jar and throw the foil away. Thirdly, I sterilized my needle for roughly 30 seconds. And finally, as soon as the needle had been cooled from the ejection of a tiny bit of syringe liquid, I would immediately go in to inoculate.

Once I had completed the inoculation of a jar, I just moved it to the cleaner side of my island where they slowly gathered and by the end all 12 were sitting there.

As I said in a previous reply, I did not put the foil back on the jars once I was done with the procedure, and simply transported them to my site of incubation in another room of my place where they now sit.

I inoculated on January 13th and it is January 15th now. Still on signs of growth today, but I also may not be looking closely enough. I know that if the temperature is A-ok in my place I should be able to see some stuff in the next few days.


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Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


Edited by Dense Cake (01/15/14 12:58 PM)


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19422784 - 01/15/14 01:10 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

When I actually started I didnt use a glovebox or anything either. What i did do though was I would preheat my over to 300 then open it up and pull out a rack and use that as a work space keeping my gear and such inside of the flow of hot sterilized air.

I never had a problem with this technique. Not a single contam.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Valyr]
    #19422819 - 01/15/14 01:17 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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Valyr said:What i did do though was I would preheat my over to 300 then open it up and pull out a rack and use that as a work space keeping my gear and such inside of the flow of hot sterilized air.




Really clever; good job! Was not smart enough to employ anything like that, plus my oven is tiny and next to a wall.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19423049 - 01/15/14 02:09 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

build a sab


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Re: My First Grow [Re: cronicr]
    #19423095 - 01/15/14 02:19 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Yes you deff do want to get a sab though. Just sayin. Your not going to want to do things like g2g and agar work like this.

I actually did a still air bag once too lol. Just take a rubber kitchen glove and put it on. Then tape a clear trashbag around your wrist, fold the glove down around the taped bag and tape again. Voila

Though I guess that would be more a sterile air bag than a still air one. The air moves around as you move your hand, more so than a box cause the bag is attached to your hand and thusly moving with it and causing more airflow. But you can wipe down the inside after attaching it to your wrist with whatever material u like, I used antibacterial mr clean and then I sprayed air disinfectant aswell. It worked.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Valyr]
    #19423203 - 01/15/14 02:41 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

I started this project under the impression that it wasn't going to be perfect. I didn't have a lot of faith in my ability to keep an SAB absolutely SAB and not just screw it up somehow, but I'm sure in the future I will ask more specific questions surrounding them and making sure I've got a good procedure for next time.

I mean, I didn't even know how to screw on the needle to my syringe when I was trying to inoculate. This entire thing is like a new learning experience to me, so I am just going with the flow and trying to turn up some positive results.

I will be ecstatic if I can even come out with 2 or 3 of my jars uncontaminated during my incubation process. And I'll be happy if any mycelium is growing at all in my jars.


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But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19423243 - 01/15/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

it's alot to take in for sure just get yourself a check list and take it one thing at a time


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Re: My First Grow [Re: cronicr]
    #19427759 - 01/16/14 12:15 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

No I didn't use permits in cakes, that wouldn't be intelligent at all. And my jars colonized pretty quickly though I think I just got lucky with genetics.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19427805 - 01/16/14 12:27 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)



This is sweet man, my first jars are doing well too. Only issue is I only inoculated in 2 places BAD CALL


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Kushisking]
    #19430197 - 01/16/14 08:35 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

Awesome!  :thumbup:


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Matty_Rulez]
    #19430572 - 01/16/14 09:37 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

Just a quick update, since I know some of you guys are following now. Since my inoculation on Monday, I still have no signs of growth. No bacteria, no nothin. Temp in and around the jars is constantly over 70 degrees. Very surprised actually to not see anything yet, not even mold or bacterial growth and I'm beginning to wonder if something is wrong.

But I will wait for more experienced responses and for more growth obviously.

That's all for now. Again, pics will come once there is growth of course.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19430588 - 01/16/14 09:40 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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Just a quick update, since I know some of you guys are following now. Since my inoculation on Monday, I still have no signs of growth. No bacteria, no nothin. Temp in and around the jars is constantly over 70 degrees. Very surprised actually to not see anything yet, not even mold or bacterial growth and I'm beginning to wonder if something is wrong.

But I will wait for more experienced responses and for more growth obviously.

That's all for now. Again, pics will come once there is growth of course.





I just feel for you so much because I had so much trouble with my jars but somehow they pulled threw its luck of the draw hommie just keep trying.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19430593 - 01/16/14 09:41 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

don't worry about it till after 2 weeks, until then blaze a bowl and read up on usefull stuff the shroomery has to offer


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Re: My First Grow [Re: cronicr]
    #19430611 - 01/16/14 09:44 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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don't worry about it till after 2 weeks, until then blaze a bowl and read up on usefull stuff the shroomery has to offer




2 weeks is a lot when you put so much time and effort into something though you gotta understand that by now.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Kushisking]
    #19430627 - 01/16/14 09:46 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

2 weeks is fuck all and if you wanna see time and effort you should see what i've done for my last grow, and trust me i understand how it feels but you must believe us when we say patients is key around here, things don't happen on our time it's up to the spores, if you wish to ignore all these issues get into agar but even then from spore it could take up to..you guessed it 2 weeks


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Re: My First Grow [Re: cronicr]
    #19430643 - 01/16/14 09:49 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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2 weeks is fuck all and if you wanna see time and effort you should see what i've done for my last grow, and trust me i understand how it feels but you must believe us when we say patients is key around here, things don't happen on our time it's up to the spores, if you wish to ignore all these issues get into agar but even then from spore it could take up to..you guessed it 2 weeks




It kills me though that, you have no idea if your gamble will work or not until  2 weeks is up and your jars may or may not be fucked with contams


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Kushisking]
    #19430650 - 01/16/14 09:51 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

think positive and always keep busy, trust your filters and your sterile technique, i'm running on ten years and still get ancy lol


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    #19430661 - 01/16/14 09:54 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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think positive and always keep busy, trust your filters and your sterile technique, i'm running on ten years and still get ancy lol




yea i see what you mean hommie my first jars are looking good but man was that a cluster fuck hahahahahhaah but now its fine so its not so bad. if you want me to explain what i did so wrong, its a long story.


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    #19430688 - 01/16/14 09:59 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

I have absolutely no problem continuing to wait. I am a really healthy guy with a lot of other fun things going on in his life, and I work like a dog all week at a job I love, so until the mushies show me their sweet faces, I'll continue working in the hopes that they are working as well.

I'm not the kind of person who will lose his patience or cry if it doesn't work out.

Will continue to update you guys as time goes by, even with the smaller changes. :tongue:


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    #19430704 - 01/16/14 10:01 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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I have absolutely no problem continuing to wait. I am a really healthy guy with a lot of other fun things going on in his life, and I work like a dog all week at a job I love, so until the mushies show me their sweet faces, I'll continue working in the hopes that they are working as well.

I'm not the kind of person who will lose his patience or cry if it doesn't work out.

Will continue to update you guys as time goes by, even with the smaller changes. :tongue:




Id stop smoking weed to have your attitude towards it.


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    #19430721 - 01/16/14 10:04 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

:laugh2: yeah no doybt, keep us posted for sure


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Kushisking]
    #19430788 - 01/16/14 10:15 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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Kushisking said:Id stop smoking weed to have your attitude towards it.




Now that you think of it, maybe that's part of it.

Since we're waiting around, I'll tell you guys a little bit about myself. I won't get too off topic, just call it my version of "facts about me", or something like that.

1. I have never tripped on psycehdelics once in my life
2. I more or less quit drinking alcohol entirely about 2 months ago.
3. I haven't smoked weed in over a month, and no more than a few times in 2013.
4. All of the stuff for my PF tek project has been really easy to obtain. I found everything at nearby stores in only about a week's time frame having never looked for most of it before (took some research though!).

5. I don't know why, but I've been getting mind fucked a lot on the bus and at random places in the last few weeks or month. Let me explain. Sometimes I just get creative surges of ideas or transcendental thoughts which put me in a happy place where I can get an edge over my societal surroundings. I can tell more about this if there is interest, but in the mean time I'll just say that I think this will all lead to better tripping in the end.

I think I'm ready for psychedelics, even though I am also smart enough to admit I have no idea what I'm in for. I look to expect nothing, hope for nothing, and at the same time be respectful and mindful of the possibility of anything. I wouldn't trip if I was in dire need of something, but at the same time I wouldn't trip if I wasn't brave enough to be so curious.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19430833 - 01/16/14 10:23 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

I was 15, when me and my buddy ate 5 Gino's. never been the same since


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Kushisking]
    #19431235 - 01/16/14 11:48 PM (10 years, 14 days ago)

Yeah def it hasn't been that long yet OP. It is hard waiting in the beginning though. You will get a hand on it. I actually use to make an exercise of it when I nocced up new batches of qt wbs jars in that Id do it then stick them in a tub and force myself not to even look at them once for ten days. It makes it sorta like Christmas morning when you finally do get too lol. And it teaches patience.

Course that was also when I thought you colonized in darkness but still the principal remains the same lol.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Valyr]
    #19431632 - 01/17/14 01:50 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

I did a batch of jars on Monday and a batch of jars on Tuesday - both from Multispore. Neither are showing any signs of growth yet. I'd expect to see something in the next couple days. That's usually the case.


Never tripped on any kind of psychedelic before? So far you're missing out on a big part of what life is about. You started in the right place. Mushrooms are the king shit. Set and setting are key. It's not a "party drug". Like Terrence McKenna says five dried grams alone in a dark room and you will see life differently:)


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Valyr]
    #19431678 - 01/17/14 02:08 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

Hi, and your first grow is looking great so far. I would suggest you attempt a LC with your other syringe. How I make mine is I use organic honey and water. It's really easy all you need to do is take a couple jars and prepare them like you would for inoculation. Only put 1 hole in the lid instead of 4. To make your LC you use 1 teaspoon of honey to 100ml of water. In a 250 ml jar I go with 200 ml water and 2 teaspoons of honey. Wrap them in tinfoil like your would for your cakes and put them in the pot just like you would for your cakes but you only need an hour to sterilize instead of 90 minutes. Wait over night till they are cool and I like to use half a syringe in each jar. Then wait about 7-10 days and you will see a blob that looks like semen in the jar and voila you have as many syringes as you want. Just repeat the process with a syringe of LC when it gets low to make more. LC will keep for 1-2 months so I like to make new ones after the 5 week mark to be safe. LC are great for speed I made my most recent one on Dec.22 and it was ready by the 31. I inoculated all my jars on the 1 and they are at 100 today.

Some tip That I have learned over my grows is that when your cakes get to 100% give them at least 3-5 days to consolidate but don't keep them in the light. On my first grow I had them on a shelf in an open room and ended up with mushrooms growing in the jar almost over night. I also suggest latex gloves because you never know what kind of spores can be on your hands/under your fingernails and washing them might not get everything, and beside you get 100 for like 5 buck so it's a very minor cost to be a lot safer. From experience I have never had any issue working in the open air of my house I don't even clean the area or use lysol. I just make sure that my gloves are clean with rubbing alcohol and I flame sterilize the needle between jars. I have never had a contaminant following the PF tek.

One last thing when going from a multi-spores syringe it usually take about a week before you see any growth because the spore have to take hold of the substrate. One of the advantages of LC is that I inoculated 16 jars on the 12 and they are already at about 15% colonization. Also if you have any question feel free to ask me and I will answer them as best I can. Well I hope this info helps and good luck with your grow.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Danner16]
    #19431691 - 01/17/14 02:17 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

no offense but
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Hi, and your first grow is looking great so far. I would suggest you attempt a LC with your other syringe. How I make mine is I use organic honey and water. It's really easy all you need to do is take a couple jars and prepare them like you would for inoculation. Only put 1 hole in the lid instead of 4. To make your LC you use 1 teaspoon of honey to 100ml of water. In a 250 ml jar I go with 200 ml water and 2 teaspoons of honey. Wrap them in tinfoil like your would for your cakes and put them in the pot just like you would for your cakes but you only need an hour to sterilize instead of 90 minutes. Wait over night till they are cool and I like to use half a syringe in each jar. Then wait about 7-10 days and you will see a blob that looks like semen in the jar and voila you have as many syringes as you want. Just repeat the process with a syringe of LC when it gets low to make more. LC will keep for 1-2 months so I like to make new ones after the 5 week mark to be safe. LC are great for speed I made my most recent one on Dec.22 and it was ready by the 31. I inoculated all my jars on the 1 and they are at 100 today.

Some tip That I have learned over my grows is that when your cakes get to 100% give them at least 3-5 days to consolidate but don't keep them in the light. On my first grow I had them on a shelf in an open room and ended up with mushrooms growing in the jar almost over night. I also suggest latex gloves because you never know what kind of spores can be on your hands/under your fingernails and washing them might not get everything, and beside you get 100 for like 5 buck so it's a very minor cost to be a lot safer. From experience I have never had any issue working in the open air of my house I don't even clean the area or use lysol. I just make sure that my gloves are clean with rubbing alcohol and I flame sterilize the needle between jars. I have never had a contaminant following the PF tek.

One last thing when going from a multi-spores syringe it usually take about a week before you see any growth because the spore have to take hold of the substrate. One of the advantages of LC is that I inoculated 16 jars on the 12 and they are already at about 15% colonization. Also if you have any question feel free to ask me and I will answer them as best I can. Well I hope this info helps and good luck with your grow.




much better recipes the honey and filters are always a good bet and spores to lc is sketchy and nevr use half a syringe to inoculate if yor gonna try spores and open air sux and should be like vegas and just leave that shit to yourself and don't suggest it, i'm going to bed now but again...no offense


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19431698 - 01/17/14 02:22 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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Valyr said:What i did do though was I would preheat my over to 300 then open it up and pull out a rack and use that as a work space keeping my gear and such inside of the flow of hot sterilized air.




Really clever; good job! Was not smart enough to employ anything like that, plus my oven is tiny and next to a wall.




Yeah and I have also been drunk as shit and inoculated pf jars with 100% success using only a lighter and a syringe.

Valyr I like you alot but should we really be suggesting to new people to use an oven?  The glove box / sab costs like 10 bucks and it's a guaranteed tek over the oven which is at best moderately effective and at worst the opposite of effective.

The SAB with a fine mist of water sprayed into it with 60 seconds of waiting is going to provide an environment of still air that we KNOW works since people like Frank and Violet and TL (not to mention myself) all use them.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: cronicr]
    #19431717 - 01/17/14 02:35 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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no offense but
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Hi, and your first grow is looking great so far. I would suggest you attempt a LC with your other syringe. How I make mine is I use organic honey and water. It's really easy all you need to do is take a couple jars and prepare them like you would for inoculation. Only put 1 hole in the lid instead of 4. To make your LC you use 1 teaspoon of honey to 100ml of water. In a 250 ml jar I go with 200 ml water and 2 teaspoons of honey. Wrap them in tinfoil like your would for your cakes and put them in the pot just like you would for your cakes but you only need an hour to sterilize instead of 90 minutes. Wait over night till they are cool and I like to use half a syringe in each jar. Then wait about 7-10 days and you will see a blob that looks like semen in the jar and voila you have as many syringes as you want. Just repeat the process with a syringe of LC when it gets low to make more. LC will keep for 1-2 months so I like to make new ones after the 5 week mark to be safe. LC are great for speed I made my most recent one on Dec.22 and it was ready by the 31. I inoculated all my jars on the 1 and they are at 100 today.

Some tip That I have learned over my grows is that when your cakes get to 100% give them at least 3-5 days to consolidate but don't keep them in the light. On my first grow I had them on a shelf in an open room and ended up with mushrooms growing in the jar almost over night. I also suggest latex gloves because you never know what kind of spores can be on your hands/under your fingernails and washing them might not get everything, and beside you get 100 for like 5 buck so it's a very minor cost to be a lot safer. From experience I have never had any issue working in the open air of my house I don't even clean the area or use lysol. I just make sure that my gloves are clean with rubbing alcohol and I flame sterilize the needle between jars. I have never had a contaminant following the PF tek.

One last thing when going from a multi-spores syringe it usually take about a week before you see any growth because the spore have to take hold of the substrate. One of the advantages of LC is that I inoculated 16 jars on the 12 and they are already at about 15% colonization. Also if you have any question feel free to ask me and I will answer them as best I can. Well I hope this info helps and good luck with your grow.




much better recipes the honey and filters are always a good bet and spores to lc is sketchy and nevr use half a syringe to inoculate if yor gonna try spores and open air sux and should be like vegas and just leave that shit to yourself and don't suggest it, i'm going to bed now but again...no offense



Hey, I am just trying to help I am not offended but don't just strait up shoot down my whole post and then suggest nothing except how wrong I am. I have never had any contamination fallowing any of the suggestion I have made. If the OP wants to use my advice he can and if not then that's fine too. And "no offence" but you should use complete thoughts instead of one long run on sentence that is almost unreadable. At least I am offering help, you on the other hand are just making conjecture.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Danner16]
    #19431731 - 01/17/14 02:46 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

i let you know why i did it:shrug:
if you want me to break it down before i go to bed i will, honey has anti fungal properties and things like dex and lme will have better results
suggesting a simple hole in the lid isn't a very good suggestion for the obvious, sure it can work but lots of dumb shit does but we suggest things with a higher success rate like syringe filters
spore prints/syringes are almost never clean so there not the best inoculant choice for a lc, agar to lc is always the safest route,again it canbe done just not the best practice
and open air without cleaning i mean come on do you really wanna tell people that? lets just stick to telling people to follow a good sterile technique and not sway people to half ass shit, if they wanna do it let them cut corners themself at least we can say we tried right
and as for your last statement all i'm trying to do is help, and that includes you:wink:


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Re: My First Grow [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19431760 - 01/17/14 03:09 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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Valyr said:What i did do though was I would preheat my over to 300 then open it up and pull out a rack and use that as a work space keeping my gear and such inside of the flow of hot sterilized air.




Really clever; good job! Was not smart enough to employ anything like that, plus my oven is tiny and next to a wall.




Yeah and I have also been drunk as shit and inoculated pf jars with 100% success using only a lighter and a syringe.

Valyr I like you alot but should we really be suggesting to new people to use an oven?  The glove box / sab costs like 10 bucks and it's a guaranteed tek over the oven which is at best moderately effective and at worst the opposite of effective.

The SAB with a fine mist of water sprayed into it with 60 seconds of waiting is going to provide an environment of still air that we KNOW works since people like Frank and Violet and TL (not to mention myself) all use them.




If that is what you thought I was doing I must apologise. I was in no way trying to suggest that we use ovens as sterile environments for inoculations. Just sorta listing some of the dumb shit that I did as a complete newb. The only things I would actually put my name to suggesting are sab's and flowhoods.

Again sorry if it was taken as a suggestion. I really didnt mean too and will pay closer attention to such statements in the future. Actually the plethora of crap like that and just straight up false information on here has always been my number one aggravation so I def do not want to add to it.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Danner16]
    #19431782 - 01/17/14 03:22 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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no offense but
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Hi, and your first grow is looking great so far. I would suggest you attempt a LC with your other syringe. How I make mine is I use organic honey and water. It's really easy all you need to do is take a couple jars and prepare them like you would for inoculation. Only put 1 hole in the lid instead of 4. To make your LC you use 1 teaspoon of honey to 100ml of water. In a 250 ml jar I go with 200 ml water and 2 teaspoons of honey. Wrap them in tinfoil like your would for your cakes and put them in the pot just like you would for your cakes but you only need an hour to sterilize instead of 90 minutes. Wait over night till they are cool and I like to use half a syringe in each jar. Then wait about 7-10 days and you will see a blob that looks like semen in the jar and voila you have as many syringes as you want. Just repeat the process with a syringe of LC when it gets low to make more. LC will keep for 1-2 months so I like to make new ones after the 5 week mark to be safe. LC are great for speed I made my most recent one on Dec.22 and it was ready by the 31. I inoculated all my jars on the 1 and they are at 100 today.

Some tip That I have learned over my grows is that when your cakes get to 100% give them at least 3-5 days to consolidate but don't keep them in the light. On my first grow I had them on a shelf in an open room and ended up with mushrooms growing in the jar almost over night. I also suggest latex gloves because you never know what kind of spores can be on your hands/under your fingernails and washing them might not get everything, and beside you get 100 for like 5 buck so it's a very minor cost to be a lot safer. From experience I have never had any issue working in the open air of my house I don't even clean the area or use lysol. I just make sure that my gloves are clean with rubbing alcohol and I flame sterilize the needle between jars. I have never had a contaminant following the PF tek.

One last thing when going from a multi-spores syringe it usually take about a week before you see any growth because the spore have to take hold of the substrate. One of the advantages of LC is that I inoculated 16 jars on the 12 and they are already at about 15% colonization. Also if you have any question feel free to ask me and I will answer them as best I can. Well I hope this info helps and good luck with your grow.




much better recipes the honey and filters are always a good bet and spores to lc is sketchy and nevr use half a syringe to inoculate if yor gonna try spores and open air sux and should be like vegas and just leave that shit to yourself and don't suggest it, i'm going to bed now but again...no offense



Hey, I am just trying to help I am not offended but don't just strait up shoot down my whole post and then suggest nothing except how wrong I am. I have never had any contamination fallowing any of the suggestion I have made. If the OP wants to use my advice he can and if not then that's fine too. And "no offence" but you should use complete thoughts instead of one long run on sentence that is almost unreadable. At least I am offering help, you on the other hand are just making conjecture.




I see no conjecture in there at all. There ARE better recipes, multi spore syringes ARE a gamble, using filter material IS better than not, and half a syringe IS overkill lol. Also you suggested pcing for an hour. You dont have to pc lc for that long cause its water and takes no time to get up to temp. RR suggests 15-20 minutes. Especially when using things like honey and karo to avoid carmelization.

OP, pretty much most anything can be done in this hobby and work sometimes. But if you want consistent repeatable results its best to put forth the small extra effort to being clean and such and avoid the months of work a full grow can take (not pf but when you move on) being thrown down the drain cause you didnt want to apply a synthetic filter disk to the hole in your lid.

EDIT: Oh and Cronicr does nothing BUT help people on here man. Go ahead and read the first page of posts in cultivation forum. Heck read the first ten. I bet he's posted advice on atleast 90% of them. Him, bodhisatta, pasty and pussyfart are probably amongst the next batch of tc's lol. Oh and maybe twistedty too but havent read alot of his stuff yet.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Valyr]
    #19434623 - 01/17/14 07:07 PM (10 years, 13 days ago)

Welllllllll, What's up guys.

After four days and four hours since the time of inoculation, I have found a handful of my jars beginning the first phase of the growing cycle.

White fluffy mycelium has begun to appear at the inoculation site in a handful of my jars. I didn't get a statistical count on how many are beginning to show the growth, because I don't want to make a habit of touching the jars, getting my hands anywhere near the open holes in the lid, or accidentally knocking or dropping the glass and creating a disturbance in the layering of my substrate cakes. However, of my 12 jars, I can definitely say that I saw promising growth on at least 3 of the jars, which also seem contaminate free for now.

I am not going to put up any pictures right now, because honestly it's not that impressive at the moment. I just wanted to keep you updated and let you all know that four days was the magic number for me, and that from here on I will be starting to keep a better eye on my jars.

Once the mycelium has taken a better hold inside the jars and begun to spread more prominently, I'll also be able to better tell if I am dealing with any contaminants.

So in the mean time, no pictures... but no worry, they'll come soon enough.

Talk to you guys soon.

P.s. I need to read and reread the short conversation you guys have been having about liquid cultures in my thread. I'm certainly interested even if it's something I don't end up using someday.

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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19435214 - 01/17/14 09:21 PM (10 years, 13 days ago)

Nice! Congrats man. I still remember how excited I was and straight up instantly addicted the first time I saw myc growing on my cakes lol. Life long member now :smile:

Liquid culture is really quite simple to do but hard to make work lol. Basically all it is is growing mycelium out in a sterilized water and dextrose solution. Its crapped on alot cause although its very easy to make its also extremely prone to contamination. The upside though is its very fast at colonizing your grain jars. You place your agar wedge or whatnot that your using as an innoculant into the lc jar first and let it grow mycelium in the liquid instead of your grain jar. Then suck up some mycelium into a syringe and inoculate your grains with that. It being both mycellium already instead of a wedge or spores that your putting into your jars and the fact that its mixed in a liquid solution that can easily spread throughout your jars creating many multiples of inoculation points makes for fast colonizing. Ive seen posts of quart grain jars being completely colonized in 3-4 days with lc (since you dont know exactly how fast that is cause your not doing grains yet, just to give you an idea it usually takes about a month from a ms innoc on grains to full colonization). Im just doing my first experiment with it now myself though so no personal experience :frown:. Yet :smile:

There very easy to make too. A simple lc recipe like the one I am using right now is:
600ml distilled water in a quart jar
1 3/4Tbsp Karo light (the clear kind with vanilla)
mix well
pc for 20 minutes 15psi(yes 20 minutes. lc is water so easy to bring to temp and anyting over 20 minutes can carmelize the sugars in your mix)
add your agar wedge, a drop of spores or whatever (it is recommended to only use clean cultures on agar wedges again due to high chance of contamination).
Store at 75F
Should have a large ball of mycellium looking sorta like a puffy cloud in ten days or so.

Again though it is very prone to contamination so people reccomend that you run a test on your syringes before doing any mass innoculations with it. To do this just do a 1cc innoc on a single grain jar and give it a week(if even that). If you got myc and no contams than your syringe is good to go.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Valyr]
    #19435392 - 01/17/14 10:04 PM (10 years, 13 days ago)

Ya, I noticed the same thing today with the batch that I nocc'ed up on Monday, but nothing from the Tuesday batch yet, so your timing was exactly the same as mine.

Chronicr was right, at least you should have a filter of some kind. LC's are contam prone enough coming from an MS - an open air hole is just asking for contams.


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    #19435563 - 01/17/14 10:46 PM (10 years, 13 days ago)

again i wasn't trying make you sound like you don't know hwat your doing or anything but just keep it in mind that when you post stuff like that you should expect those responses:thumbup:


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    #19436292 - 01/18/14 03:40 AM (10 years, 13 days ago)

Did my count when I woke up today.

So far what it's looking like is 8 of my jars are showing positive growth. A couple of these look like they could be contaminated, but I can't be sure yet.

2 of my jars are showing no real growth yet, and 2 others seem to be showing real signs of contamination. The contamination looks to be a black oozy looking guy growing right along the opening where I injected my syringe into the jars. Of course the mycelium is beginning to network, but the black stuff is just as present, so I went ahead and just... moved these away from the crowd, but kept them in the same place so I can monitor them.

I am not planning to throw any of my jars out or sterilize them again if they are contaminated for at least 4 or 5 more days. I want to grab some pictures and be informed on what the shroomery might think the contaminant is, and just laugh at how nasty the stuff looks. :ducklol:


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    #19436293 - 01/18/14 03:41 AM (10 years, 13 days ago)

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    #19450935 - 01/21/14 12:52 AM (10 years, 10 days ago)

My PF jars are now one week into their new life. I've got considerable growth, so I'll post pictures and describe how it's going.

So far, I've identified two of my jars to be contaminated. I'm almost 100% sure this is a contaminant, but the pictures will be able to tell for everyone on the forum who is more experienced than I am.

My remaining 10 jars are doing well, but I've noticed one tricky thing is that not all of the holes in my jars have apparently been inoculated. For instance, Jar #4 is only showing growth under 3 of it's holes. Jar #5 and #8 are both only showing growth under two of their holes, and jar #10, the worst off of my uncontaminated jars, only has one lone inoculation site growing mycelium. The remaining jars, 1 through 3, 6, 7, and 9 are all doing pretty well though. I've singled out jars #11 and #12 and set them aside because of their contaminants, and I'm just watching them to see what happens with them over time.

Here are pictures of each jar.

Jar #1

Jar#2

Jar#3

Jar#4

Jar#5

Jar#6

Jar#7

Jar#8

Jar#9

Jar#10


Contaminants:

Jar#11

Jar#12


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    #19481304 - 01/27/14 01:16 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Oh. Em. Gee.

Hey guys. I'm really excited to be updating again today. This is Monday again and it has been two weeks since I inoculated my jars now. The BRF jars that I prepared are showing huge progress at this point, and I'm beginning to clearly see the path to fruiting in the next couple of weeks.

But all of this excitement is bringing up a few questions in my mind, and I'm hoping that I can get your guys advice on what to do.

First, if you haven't done so, take a look at the pictures of my jars that I posted above. Those pics are of my jars a week after inoculation.

    Let me tell you what's been going on lately.

  • Firstly, my fully inoculated 6 jars are beginning to colonize their entire substrate. There is very little area left which has not been touched, and it's mostly on the bottom of each cake. I'm getting very close.
  • Secondly, I have begun construction of my terrarium. I'll go over this more a little bit later.
  • Third, I am really excited to say that none of my jars seem to be contaminated, and I want to inquire about Jars 11 and 12 that I posted about previously which I thought were contaminated.


Here are some pictures again of Jar 11:



And here's Jar 12:


Now, originally I thought that these two jars were contaminated, because relative to the mycleium growth, those brown spots you see were pretty massive. But as I've been watching growth I noticed that the brown spots have stayed the same, and haven't grown at all in fact. Now my suspicion is beginning to rise, and I'm starting to believe that perhaps this brown spot on the mycelium is burnt substrate material from when I put my way-too-hot syringe into the substrate and tried to inoculate. I'm really curious what you guys think and whether you believe this is a contaminate.

Now that I have touched on that question, I want to tell you about how my terrarium has been going. I'll show more pics later, but here was the initial setup. I measured out a 2" by 2" spread of marker dots on and around my plastic bin in logically appropriate places to make sure I got use of the most surface area I could.




Looking good? I thought it was going well until I tried my hand at making holes in the damn thing. I didn't have a drill, see, so I used a strange method by heating my oven up to 500 degrees and heating a 1/4" bolt in there. Every few moments I would take the bolt out with pliers, tighten it into my screwdriver, and burn a hole into the plastic. This method was working well aside from the fact that I was burning plastic into my house, getting it in my eyes and lungs, and generally making a mess. I had a lot of stuff around to clean up after myself, and after two or three holes I would put the bolt back into the oven to get the temperature heightened again, and use that time while it was warming up to clean up the holes I had just made.

In the end I decided this wasn't worth it, and after only completing a small size of the box, I went out and bought a drill. It was the best decision for my terrarium. Now I am just making holes at light speed around my box and there are no issues. When the time comes for birthing I will talk about my perlite and how I filter out the fertilizers from my Miracle-gro stuff that I so ignorantly bought.

Now my last question is short and sweet. As my first 6 cakes are getting really close to being ready for birthing, I want to know what you all have to suggest for dunking and rolling. In my situation what would you do? And what the hell is double-end casing? What does that even mean? I'm pretty ignorant to it all, and the most I really know is the basic procedure at birth to soak for 24 hours with pressure, wake up and roll in dry, sterilized vermiculite, and then drop it on a piece of foil in my SGFC. But what do I do after each successive flush? I'm looking farther to the future now since I'm pretty confident I know the next few steps.

TL;DR Thanks a lot for reading, I know these are lengthy posts and that I have a lot of detailed pics and questions/comments, but again, the documentation helps a person like me, who loves to do things in a fairly scientific and fool-proof light. And as far as I can tell I'm doing things right since I have virtually no contaminates anywhere thus far.

Hope to hear your guys feedback.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19481404 - 01/27/14 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

First off before I forget, I didnt see any marker dots on the bottom of your tub. You want the holes on the bottom of the tub aswell. There the most important. Reason being that that is where your fresh moistened air is going to come from. As the warmer air in your sgfc rises and spreads throughout the wholes in your upper and sides fresh air is drawn in through the bottom, through your moistened perlite and thusly providing the humidity for your chamber.

Yes, dunk for 24hrs roll and onto foil atop of perlite in your sgfc. After each successive flush you can dunk again. Most do not roll again though.

No that is not a contaminate. If it were it would have taken your whole cake over by now. Probably burnt like you said.

And some advice, next time get a clear top tote. Makes things easier.

EDIT: Excellent, well organised and photographed posts btw. Enjoy reading them.


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    #19481422 - 01/27/14 01:41 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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First off before I forget, I didnt see any marker dots on the bottom of your tub. You want the holes on the bottom of the tub aswell. There the most important.

Yes, dunk for 24hrs roll and onto foil atop of perlite in your sgfc. After each successive flush you can dunk again. Most do not roll again though.

No that is not a contaminate. If it were it would have taken your whole cake over by now. Probably burnt like you said.

And some advice, next time get a clear top tote. Makes things easier.




1. I did make holes on the bottom and the top too! :cool:
2. Thank you for the contaminate note. This makes me feel pretty confident that my 12 jars are contaminate free.
3. Will make a note that a clear top tote is better. Definitely can see the upsides of having a see-thru lid as well as just having the same sort of surface to drill through.
4. Thanks for the specific advice on dunking and rolling. Dunk and roll once, then dunk each successive flush makes pretty good sense to me.


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    #19481641 - 01/27/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

5 :mushroom2: for you my friend. Mostly because I like your signature, also because you take advice well, you dont seem to be hard headed and you make changes when necessary based on the advice of those who are more experienced.  Keep up the good work!  I hope you are blessed with many fruits!


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    #19481664 - 01/27/14 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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5 :mushroom2: for you my friend. Mostly because I like your signature, also because you take advice well, you dont seem to be hard headed and you make changes when necessary based on the advice of those who are more experienced.  Keep up the good work!  I hope you are blessed with many fruits!



i'll second that, nice when people listen without bias


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    #19481744 - 01/27/14 02:58 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Holy. Your jars are quite far ahead of the jars I started the same day. Second that - clear lids are definitely helpful on the light situation.


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    #19482037 - 01/27/14 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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Holy. Your jars are quite far ahead of the jars I started the same day. Second that - clear lids are definitely helpful on the light situation.




Do you have any contams in yours yet? It appears I have no contaminates whatsoever.

I think the reason that I'm this far in only two short weeks is that I mixed the substrate almost to the T as far as the ratios are concerned. It may have helped that I have pretty fine vermiculite as well. I thought that my substrate mixture was sort of dry, but it turned out to be absolutely perfect for my mushies so far. The other thing is that I'm really dedicated to leaving my jars in a fairly hot environment. I try to shoot for 80 degrees at all times where they are stored. I'm not monitoring the temperature with a thermometer or anything, but I figure if I'm feeling a bit on the warm side, then I'm doing a good job.

On the other hand, I still have some complications, as only about 3 or 4 of my cakes are going to be ready to go right at the beginning.

One of my cakes was only inoculated at one site somehow even though I confidently injected each hole..... and that shit is going to take forever to fucking colonize. I'm actually just considering tossing it because I know it may take an extra month to actually get anything out of it. Sucky, but at least my main cakes are all doing an awesome job.


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    #19488743 - 01/28/14 09:25 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

Alllllrighty then.

Today isn't really an update, it's just to show some more pics and talk about the grow. I am getting very close to the exciting point of birthing, so I have been gearing up and gettin' ready.

Here are a couple pictures of the preliminary terrarium setup.



Here's some proof to show that I got the holes in the bottom of the tote too. Every hole is spaced as best as I could, 2 inches apart with 1/4 an inch in diameter.


For further terrarium steps, I've obviously got to fill it up with damp perlite, but in the mean time before I tend to that, I am trying to figure out what I want to do with my lighting situation. The room that you're seeing will have plenty of indirect daylight during most days, but in addition, I'm thinking about setting up a small desk lamp with one of my 5800hz light bulbs nearby on the rack to shine into the tote. I'd obviously try and set it up in such a way that it isn't heating up the terrarium and sending my temps too high. Let me know what you guys think of the idea.

Now for my jars:

Again, all 12 of my jars are so far contaminate free as of 15 days into the growth cycle. 1 of my jars only initiated mycelium at one hole, 2 of my jars only initiated at 2 holes, and still 2 more jars only initiated at 3 holes. Perhaps I did not shake my syringe well enough or something when I was inoculating, but regardless I am forced to deal with the situation now. These jars are growing at the same rate of the others, but obviously full colonization is going to take a lot longer. Those jars with inoculation at only one or two holes are still beginning to spread to the bottom of the jars as well, which is nice as I understand there tends to be less air exchange down there.

However, my 7 remaining jars did all inoculate successfully at their four sites, and most of them are beginning to look like this:




Two of my jars are the king shit, and have spread even more quickly. They look like this:




(Note of the above photo. Those green colors are NOT apparent when viewing the jar with plain sight. My camera obviously is not the greatest.)

Once I've seen my primary 7 jars each colonize the entire BRF cakes, I'll set a loose timer, and prepare to birth them starting around 7 days following the point when they have fully colonized their jar. That will give them some time to grab a thicker hold onto the substrate material, and really strengthen the mycelium network by which nutrients are carried. After the 'timer' clicks, I'll know it's time to rock n' roll.

This will be my last post in my grow thread for a while. I am going to watch patiently over the next week while I monitor the progress of my main 7 jars, as well as keep a close eye on my whimpy ones for any contaminates that might grab a hold of the substrate before the fungus can fully colonize the jar.

I've got a good idea on what it is going to take to birth my cakes and so I'm confident that with just a little review I will totally nail the procedure. I'm going to be dunking for 24 hours, and subsequently rolling my cakes in dry, sterilized vermiculite as is often suggested. Hopefully in conjunction with the light bulb(s), all of my hard work should culminate in a massive climax of pinheads.

Talk to you guys later. Happy to answer any questions or concerns that are thrown my way.

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Quote:

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5 :mushroom2: for you my friend. Mostly because I like your signature, also because you take advice well, you dont seem to be hard headed and you make changes when necessary based on the advice of those who are more experienced.  Keep up the good work!  I hope you are blessed with many fruits!




Thanks a lot for the great compliment. I'm also hoping for many good fruits. If all things go well, I'll be dancing with you guys!


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    #19528253 - 02/05/14 11:00 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Well, hey guys. This is earlier than I was hoping to post, but I'm running into an unexpected series of events.

Firstly, after only 4 days of full colonization, I have found one of my initially well off jars to be pinning. I have decided to expedite my process and begin the dunk & roll procedures earlier than the originally anticipated 7 days.



In the other image, I have a jar that is also doing very well, but I was a bit worried by growth on the side of the jar, and just a few specks that looked discolored. If you guys think that it may be contamination, let me know. I will set it aside for now and perhaps birth it later.

The rest of my jars are doing fantastic. Even though it has only been four or five days since full colonization, I don't see what harm can come from birthing them a bit earlier, especially considering the pinning that is beginning to happen. The light in my incubation chamber is too damn good.

EDIT:

Just want to say, I opened up all of my jars and dunked them. There's no signs of contamination in the jar that I was suspicious of. I was really surprised to touch these cakes. The smell is so mushroomy! It was a real sensation to hold them and stuff. I'm starting to feel pretty good about my grow and like it's all coming together.

Also, I went ahead and just popped those two pinheads in my first photo down the hatch after I had finished dunking. If a psychedelic trip were analogous to a time warp into deep space travel, then I'm Neil Armstrong.

.33 grams wet here I gooooooo!!!!!!  jk, of course.


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    #19533488 - 02/07/14 12:07 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I think that went pretty well.

I've finished the dunk and roll for 7 cakes. First step was to open each jar and scrape off the vermiculite, which I did. I filled a clean pot with cool tap water and after rinsing each cake, submerged them under the water, weighted down by a couple of ceramic plates for 24 hours. At the end of the 24 hour period I removed the cakes, rinsed them again, and rolled them in a moderately thick coat of sterilized vermiculite. The vermiculite was sterilized via my oven at 350 degrees for just over ~30 minutes. I went ahead after that and placed each cake on a new piece of tin foil in my terrarium with the hand's depth of perlite as described by "Let's Grow Mushrooms".

My terrarium setup is built with the terrarium set up on two planks of wood with a towel underneath of it to catch any dripping moisture from the perlite layer, all placed on a plastic shelf. On a higher level of the shelf, two desk lamps fit with 5800khz fluorescent light bulbs lay flat and shining down somewhat at an obtuse angle into the terrarium to light it from both sides. Everything is very well lit, and after having tested the light during my time waiting for the dunk, I've figured that the light is far enough and shining indirectly enough at the terrarium for there to be no transfer of heat from the bulb into the chamber. It's just a lot of pure bright light. In addition, I have a window with indirect sunlight which will be able to filter through more daylight.



Humidity is a bit of a factor I'm worried about because I'm not able to gauge it, but I am going to be making sure to soak my vermiculite casing pretty well over the next couple of hours as described by part 3 of the "Let's Grow Mushrooms" videos online. Once I've got everything nice and wet in there, I am going to just give everything a quick fan of fresh air before I turn out the lights and begin regular cycles of 12 hours on, 12 hours off.


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    #19542361 - 02/09/14 01:35 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Heyo guys,

I have a random question.

In the process of birthing two more of my cakes tonight, I opened up one of them to scrape off the vermiculite in preparation for dunking when I noticed a little bit of a green patch at the top of the cake within vermiculite that had not been colonized. I thought this was a good time to birth as the cake looked fully colonized everywhere else and had been so for a week, but I went ahead and had to pick off this green patch with my finger nail and I realized that it was more or less in contact with the mycelium network. Now, I'm wondering if this is a deal breaker, because the cake is in good health, smells great, and looks fine. There aren't any problems with it, it was just next to what looks like a really harmless contaminant.

I know all of the stuff online will tell me that I should just toss this cake, but having gotten away what looked like a contaminant and not being able to see anymore around the cake at this point, am I still fucked? Again, it's not like it took over the jar.

Just let me know, I will take any answer that a long time/trusted cultivator puts down to heart. I've just left it sitting inside a clean jar with some water in it for now. What if I just birth it separately without dunking so I can keep an eye on it?

Edit: After reading a couple of threads, I'm deciding to toss the cake. As hard as the decision is just to throw it out, I don't think it's worth the problems to come if it actually happens to be contaminated. Unfortunately my biggest folly here was not actually documenting or taking pictures of what I saw on the cake, and as a result I can't get a positive ID that it was a contaminate. All I know is that I saw a slightly green patch of vermiculite growing on the mycelium in such a way that I had to strip away part of the substrate in order to clean it up.

Let this be a lesson learned, I suppose. I will continue to let the cake be dunked and perhaps set it up in a small poor man's terrarium away from my main place of operation so that it can have a chance at life, but the moment it becomes a problem, or the contaminate arises again, I will pitch it.


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    #19554678 - 02/11/14 09:37 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Well, hey guys. Today is a not so happy update, unfortunately.

After birthing, I have begun to run into some real problems. I think that my lighting is working well, and my fresh air exchange seems to be doing ok at initiating pins. But so far I have not gained very many pins, only three or four at the most. These ones that have formed are showing poor signs of growth due to environmental problems. At this point I believe that I have either not provided a humid enough environment (not thoroughly soaking my perlite well enough), or I am misting my cakes too much.

Either way, let me show you what I'm dealing with.



I'm very sad to report that these are my two strongest pins shown above. After just about 5 days now, it's very obvious I am doing something wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel this is not how pins should look, and I am hoping that somebody can help me. I'm in dire need of some assistance at this point if I am to save these cakes, I feel.

If you've got anything - ANYTHING that might help. Please let me know.

Here's what I've been doing so far:

Up to this point I was misting 2-3 times per day, and fanning vigorously for 1-2 minutes after each mist. I made sure at the beginning of the birthing to not only roll the cakes, but mist them thoroughly a couple times over the next couple of hours.

What I observed over the next couple of days was the mycelium begin to reach out over the dry vermiculite, become very airy and fluffy, and then as I sprayed it, it got soggy and sunk back into the top of the cakes. I'm thinking more than anything else that I have over saturated my cakes, which has led to these horrible pins.

Please let me know. Like I said, any advice is appreciated at this point. In the mean time I decided to strain a little bit more room temperature water over my perlite, and of course stop misting altogether until I see the airy mycelium return and initiate healthier looking pins. I will continue fanning.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19556783 - 02/12/14 10:59 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

usually a couple early risers with multi-spore, no biggies.
mist when the surface has dried, fan repeat:thumbup:


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    #19556951 - 02/12/14 12:05 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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usually a couple early risers with multi-spore, no biggies.
mist when the surface has dried, fan repeat:thumbup:




Okeydoke. I'll keep up the misting once a day and not get flustered about the weird ones popping up. Thanks for the response. Will post more as soon as I get some new results! :smile:


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    #19575960 - 02/16/14 04:51 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

It's been about half of a week. Things are going much better than they were before. I'll fill you in.

After my previous post, I did some thinking and watched things happen over the next couple of days. I realized that over saturation didn't seem to be my problem at all. If anything, things were drying out. During this time I was also ready to birth my 3rd and 2nd to last cakes.So when I went to dunk these two new cakes, I threw in one of the cakes that was looking very dry, and began a new plan of action to rehydrate everything.

I've begun spraying the walls of my terrarium regularly now. I try to keep up a fantastic mist as well as leave pools of water in the top of my plastic tote where it can sit freely and evaporate without a worry of contamination. I now make sure that at nearly all times there is a very fine mist left over my cakes and walls consistently, because the many holes in the SGFC from before were drying things out. I wasn't being aggressive enough with my misting.

Sure enough, I am beginning to initiate more pins than before, and the primordia that were forming on a few of my cakes are finally much happier and beginning to develop. However, although I am beginning to get some really handsome pins out of my cakes now, I still am having problems with some small mushrooms. After some reading I have gathered that this could just be a result of my multi spore syringes. If you guys think otherwise, let me know. I would hate for there to be some sort of condition in my SGFC which is keeping me from initiating massive fruits.

Here are some pictures. Please let me know if you see anything I can capitalize on and fix.




At this time, I have collected a rough equivalent yield of maybe 8 dry grams of mushrooms.

I did eat the first larger wimp out of the bunch when it was wet. It was bruising really nicely and weighed about 8 grams. I wrote about the short lived and rather average experience of the mushroom on the level 1 trip reports board so people can check it out.

http://www.shroomery.org/12949/My-First-Step

It wasn't that nuts or anything and it was actually more average than a lot of shit in my life, so I'm just waiting for more little guys to roll in at this point and then I will leave some commentary on trips with higher doses.


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    #19576745 - 02/16/14 07:40 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

To me it seems like you are over doing it(we all were there with our first grow). If your SGFC is good, witch it looks like it is to me, you have no need to fan it at all. I very rarely fan mine only like one a week just to move stale air around. They are drying out because IMO your fanning all the mist away. Mist it and leave it till it gets to 75% humidity, then mist again and let let get back to down to 75% and repeat. Hope this helps and good luck.


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    #19576766 - 02/16/14 07:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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To me it seems like you are over doing it(we all were there with our first grow). If your SGFC is good, witch it looks like it is to me, you have no need to fan it at all. I very rarely fan mine only like one a week just to move stale air around. They are drying out because IMO your fanning all the mist away. Mist it and leave it till it gets to 75% humidity, then mist again and let let get back to down to 75% and repeat. Hope this helps and good luck.




That does help, only thing is that I don't have a humidity gauge. I'll take your advice and just try to not fan as much though. I can keep that calm balance between soft mist droplets settling on my cakes, slowly being absorbed, and then remisting, while only ever so occasionally fanning to get the air circulating again.

At least now I know more of what I'm looking at, whereas before I really didn't have a clue whether I was too dry or too humid. Now I'm looking back at that and laughing. :laugh:


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    #19576792 - 02/16/14 07:52 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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To me it seems like you are over doing it(we all were there with our first grow). If your SGFC is good, witch it looks like it is to me, you have no need to fan it at all. I very rarely fan mine only like one a week just to move stale air around. They are drying out because IMO your fanning all the mist away. Mist it and leave it till it gets to 75% humidity, then mist again and let let get back to down to 75% and repeat. Hope this helps and good luck.




That does help, only thing is that I don't have a humidity gauge. I'll take your advice and just try to not fan as much though. I can keep that calm balance between soft mist droplets settling on my cakes, slowly being absorbed, and then remisting, while only ever so occasionally fanning to get the air circulating again.

At least now I know more of what I'm looking at, whereas before I really didn't have a clue whether I was too dry or too humid. Now I'm looking back at that and laughing. :laugh:



You should go to Walmart and get a humidity gauge. They are 20 bucks and are an invaluable piece of equipment. They take all the guess work out of it. IMO if you mist really well the cakes are good for about 8 hours before you need to mist again. Good luck but you really should get a gauge.


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    #19576902 - 02/16/14 08:11 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Now this isnt me saying it cause I dont really know. Have very limited experience with sgfc's. But ive read tc's saying to mist, then fan till evaporated, then mist again and let the second mist sit. THis provides the humidity and moisture on cake for big mushies and the blast of evaporation for a pinning trigger.

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    #19577615 - 02/16/14 11:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Now this isnt me saying it cause I dont really know. Have very limited experience with sgfc's. But ive read tc's saying to mist, then fan till evaporated, then mist again and let the second mist sit. THis provides the humidity and moisture on cake for big mushies and the blast of evaporation for a pinning trigger.

Just a thought :smile:



:thumbup: That would definitely be fine. Maybe I will give that a try.


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    #19578070 - 02/17/14 02:39 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

yes just mist and fan for like 30 seconds to promote evaporation, as long as you got moisture on the surface it gives you 100% humidity there as it evaporates


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    #19578766 - 02/17/14 08:41 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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yes just mist and fan for like 30 seconds to promote evaporation, as long as you got moisture on the surface it gives you 100% humidity there as it evaporates



We just went over that this is his problem. He is fan all the mist away. 30 seconds IMO is way to much fanning unless like Valyr said he is misting again after he fans.


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    #19578782 - 02/17/14 08:45 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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yes just mist and fan for like 30 seconds to promote evaporation, as long as you got moisture on the surface it gives you 100% humidity there as it evaporates



We just went over that this is his problem. He is fan all the mist away. 30 seconds IMO is way to much fanning unless like Valyr said he is misting again after he fans.



You guys do realize that it is impossible for all the water you just misted to evaporate in 30 seconds right?

We just want to fan enough to cycle out all the old air in the chamber, so there is room for evaporation to take place.

It is hard for water to evaporate when the humidity is in the upper 90s, so we fan out the chamber for a drop in RH so evaporation can take place.

30 seconds is not too much, and will not require more misting until the water you just misted evaporates.


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    #19578803 - 02/17/14 08:51 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

uh oh, pussy fart changed his icon...

Sgt Stedanko????

going to tell us recruits how we are worthless mush growers???
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    #19578808 - 02/17/14 08:54 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

:rofl:

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    #19578830 - 02/17/14 09:01 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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yes just mist and fan for like 30 seconds to promote evaporation, as long as you got moisture on the surface it gives you 100% humidity there as it evaporates



We just went over that this is his problem. He is fan all the mist away. 30 seconds IMO is way to much fanning unless like Valyr said he is misting again after he fans.



You guys do realize that it is impossible for all the water you just misted to evaporate in 30 seconds right?

We just want to fan enough to cycle out all the old air in the chamber, so there is room for evaporation to take place.

It is hard for water to evaporate when the humidity is in the upper 90s, so we fan out the chamber for a drop in RH so evaporation can take place.

30 seconds is not too much, and will not require more misting until the water you just misted evaporates.



Well I am no expert but from my experience, I have grown about 15-20 times, I mist about 3-4 times a day and I fan about once or twice a week and never had any problem. To me it seem like there must be more factors at play that the OP doesn't realize then.


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    #19579300 - 02/17/14 11:10 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I can only tell you what I've seen from my first grow, but as the OP I just want to say that after misting, there is no POSSIBLE way for me to get all of the water into the air by fanning. Evaporation is a slow molecular change in water, which requires just as little time as it does fresh, passing air.

Basically, last week was my first week observing my SGFC and I did not initiate more than TWO mushrooms. The reason I found was because I was not leaving behind enough water. A fine mist is perfect for BRF cakes because the water droplets have more surface area, and can evaporate very quickly as well as soak into the cake without creating pools of water that may harbor contaminates.

You don't need much mist, but you do need some water left on the cakes, otherwise things WILL dry out. I monitor the humidity closely, and if I see too much fluffy mycelium at this point, I fan vigorously enough that I am positive the fresh air has been exchanged inside the tub, and then hope for the best. That does NOT mean that I am getting rid of the water sitting on my cakes. I want a little bit of moisture because it promotes high humidity.

But more than anything, after I realized my SGFC was too dry, I sprayed the shit out of the walls on my tub every single time I opened it up to look inside. I think things are starting to finally maintain a good equilibrium now, and the humidity is settling to a good resting point after only misting my cakes lightly. So in conclusion, my new course of action has just been to mist whenever I no longer see tiny itty bitty water droplets on my cakes, and of course fan my cakes to promote FAE 2-3 times per day at the least. You can always fan a very high amount if you're confident you will not dry out your SGFC in the process. The more fresh air, the better.


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    #19579635 - 02/17/14 12:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

yeah i don't actually time my fanning lol, just fucking mist and fan and quit thinking about it lol


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    #19592527 - 02/19/14 10:57 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

All right, I'm back.



As you can see, my grow chamber is beginning to finally work. Everything is going pretty smoothly, and I think I'll be ready for my first decent harvest very soon; maybe even tomorrow.

Now, I wanted to touch on something I've been getting conflicted reports on. Drying.

About a week ago I picked just a couple of the larger shrooms from my cakes and put them in front of a fan on high power for right around 48 hours. After this point, I bagged them and kept them safe until I was ready to trip. When the time came, and I took out the dried shrooms, I realized that they weren't actually completely dry.

My question is, if I am unfortunately unable to get a dehumidifier, what are my options? After drying the fungus underneath of a fan for 48 hours, would I be able to get them more dry by putting them in an enclosed space accompanied by a bowl of damp rid or desiccant? As has been stated somewhat consistently across the net, it's pretty hard to try and just dry them out by fan power alone, and I noticed they were starting to stink after only a few days in a ziplock bag.

Any tips are highly appreciated. As I've said, I know the best method seems to be a humidifier, but I already have damp rid and a fan and am wondering if it can do the job or if I just risk the fungus becoming contaminated with any other process. I don't have real money or space to spare for a humidifier.

Edit: Just found a couple threads worth checking out.

This is the best one so far http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11051388


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    #19617351 - 02/25/14 04:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys. Wow, it's been a wild ride... but unfortunately my adventure may be coming to a close. I'll explain.

Firstly, my SGFC has become prone to algal contamination. Green patches have begun to show up all over my perlite, especially on the edges of my tote where water drips from the walls down into the abscess. This is my first day noticing it, but it has come to the surface already... and I know this puts a timer on how long my cakes will last.

Secondly, a couple of my cakes are turning sort of purplish black. I'm seeing a lot of bruising going on, as well as a noticeable reduction in size, and things seem just really dry despite my misting them continually. I made a mistake in not dunking a couple of my cakes after the first flush, and I think this was one of the main reasons for my failure on the second round of fruiting. I was honestly a little bit afraid to dunk some of my cakes due to the purple/black coloration already having appeared right around harvest time. Bleh, I don't know what to do.

Thirdly, I have already made considerable yield. Something I haven't mentioned, but that could maybe have been assumed is that I only set out on this project for my own purposes and have no intention to deal drugs or share the yield beyond a few very close friends.

I remember that after birthing, my cakes were slow to react and initiate fruiting because a handful of the conditions in my SGFC were incorrect. Everything was too dry, and I was not misting heavily enough and keeping my humidity where it needed to be. Because of work, I often struggled to get in the work I needed to on the terrarium, so that also pulled me away from the project. However, I did have some upsides in that I had incubated some stellar cakes... and I didn't face one contamination. I clearly took the inoculation phase seriously enough to sterilize my jars well.

So at last... things are coming to a close. So far I have harvested 825.88 wet grams of mushrooms. I'm pretty happy with that considering what I said above about growing for solo purposes, not to mention the fact that I have another syringe in my possession, but I've definitely learned a lot and this has been one crazy ride. I'm quite a different person now from when I started over a month and a half ago, and it just boggles my mind how much I've changed and how much I've learned about psychedelics and about myself. Having tripped twice already, I've already achieved a little bit of what I originally set out to do.

At this point I have a second flush coming in on several of my cakes which seems to be going all right. I'll harvest it and dry it like I have done for the rest of my yield, which is perfectly preserved now. Nothing is in the critical stage yet, but I know that the longer I let this ride with my current set of perlite, the closer I come to ultimate failure. And with all of the bruising and misting problems I am having on my second round of growing, I don't know... I'm just sort of getting ready to call it quits based on how much I've already gained. The knowledge I've gained has made me very happy in and of itself, and at this point I almost feel like it would be to my benefit to stop.

Any last thoughts or questions from ya'll before I just kind of wrap this up? You've all been a great help, and so has the shroomery forum history.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19617395 - 02/25/14 04:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry to here your journey is coming to and end :frown:
But I'm glad you enjoyed it while it lasted :rockon:
825 grams wet dried is approximately 3 ounces and just doing 3 gram tea TEKs, (my favorite dose) would be good for 28 trips. Spaced out at 11 days apart, for tolerance to almost completely be nonexistent (110%) you will have enough shrooms to dose every week and a half for 308 days. You've done good :manofapproval:
Enjoy your shrooms to the fullest and come back for another grow soon, thanks for keeping everyone including myself entertained with your grow :thumbup:
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    #19617439 - 02/25/14 04:49 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks a lot dude

I'm glad that I actually kept up with the log and made posts following every step of the way. It's crazy fun to look back at the first couple of posts and see me hammer teking my jar lids and then read on through the pages as my pictures ramp up into full on mushrooms... I had no idea how powerful they really are. I mean, reading about this stuff and then experiencing it are very different things. It's all just reshaping me and how I think of the world and it's a wonderful thing. It's sad how much of the world still treats these magical fungi.

I'm so glad I could entertain people and continue contributing to the grow logs of this forum. I've done plenty of searches and there are tons of awesome threads of people who started off knowing nothing, and then were able to get their own results some month or two months later. We all have those before us to thank for such awesome techniques to come to the fore that can be used by the inexperienced lay person.

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When I was a boy, I was afraid to die.
When I became a man I was afraid to live.
But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19617860 - 02/25/14 06:04 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Just read through this whole thread for the first time.

Really impressed with your report, very helpful for people like myself who is also new at this.

Will you be attempting this again or waiting till your supply runs dry :smile:


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Sabertooth]
    #19618631 - 02/25/14 09:04 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Just read through this whole thread for the first time.

Really impressed with your report, very helpful for people like myself who is also new at this.

Will you be attempting this again or waiting till your supply runs dry :smile:




I don't know when I will attempt another grow. Of course I've still got this one to finish up, but it will be probably be ultimately done before the beginning of March is too far in. I suspect if I do grow again it won't be until the end of the summer or next fall. I've got plenty of shrooms to last me until September, if not far longer as what Webster said about dosage is true.

Knowing myself and my limits, I'd say I won't want to dose every single week and a half or even every two weeks. Following the trend of many psychonaughts, I may have a break through trip which skyrockets me into Heaven to the point where I don't need or want to trip for a very long time.

My only advice to other newbies reading my thread is to remember to pay attention to the time stamps. Notice how I'm posting today on February 25th, when my first post was a month and 12 days ago on January 13th.I make it clear through many of my posts the context of when I was doing something and about how long it took me to get to the next step in the PF tek. This is not a hobby for the impatient, and I think that's been clear on every grow like mine. The mushrooms teach you to be mindful of your situation and to take great care and be honest with everything that you do. You have to remember it will take a while.

The hardest part for me was waiting for my final jars to incubate and waiting ever so patiently for my cakes to fruit. I had done everything. EVERYTHING WAS SET. But where were the mushrooms? I was already over a month into the project and I was dying for some results. But you can't think too much like that because you will start taking short cuts and then screw up the tek.

So keep your head down, be patient, and have fun learning about the process because even though it's pretty cut and dry if you're smart and do enough research, it will still take a while.

Cubensis is a living organism. Just like you can't make your little nephew 20 in 2 days, you can't make cubes fruit in one hour either.

Happy growing :hatsoff:


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When I was a boy, I was afraid to die.
When I became a man I was afraid to live.
But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19624584 - 02/27/14 02:25 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Go big or go home. I'm going to make a final stand. Tonight I got things sorted out. I'm in a good place to pick everything from my second flush and dunk all 12 of my cakes.

I'll use this opportunity while my cakes are soaking to dispose of my old perlite and then wet a new batch that will be algae free. I can clean out the inside of my terrarium really nicely and just start over with what I've got left. I don't mind going through perlite as it's cheap and not even the kind I want to use for an SGFC.

Here's some pics



This is why you do NOT use miracle gro perlite. Although, I'm not sure in the long run how much it would have affected me. All I know is it looks nasty and I want it the hell away.



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When I was a boy, I was afraid to die.
When I became a man I was afraid to live.
But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19626134 - 02/27/14 01:02 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

yep you grew some algae there lol! nice cake


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Re: My First Grow [Re: cronicr]
    #19626157 - 02/27/14 01:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Is the green stuff due to the type of perlite you used or other reasons?


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Sabertooth]
    #19626188 - 02/27/14 01:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

it's the perlite


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Sabertooth]
    #19627638 - 02/27/14 06:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Is the green stuff due to the type of perlite you used or other reasons?




Definitely the perlite. Miracle gro is a common brand of perlite used for potting soil and planting. Because of this, it is coated in fertilizer. When you use the perlite in a terrarium for mushroom growing though, that fertilizer is not helpful, because it will just create algae in due time. In my case, it took about three weeks for algae to start growing on my perlite. Since I'm dunking all of my cakes, it will be an easy fix while everything is soaking so I can just replace all of the perlite and scrub my fruiting chamber out really well. Hopefully when I put a new layer of the miracle gro perlite back in it will take a good while for the algae to return.

So yeah. My advice is that if you decide to go the perlite route, purchase it clean and in bulk from a nursery, not from the hardware store. Just make sure you don't get miracle gro since it's enhanced with the unnecessary fertilizer. Algae = Contamination = Bad for mushrooms.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19663757 - 03/07/14 02:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I don't even really know what to say after what I picked today... This was the biggest yet. The new SGFC and knowledge of how to run it and keep my cakes moist has really helped me provide the perfect environment for my mushrooms.

The one in the top right was over 82 grams alone.... :jawdrop:



Can anybody identify the strain? Is it Malabar or B+? I still to this day don't know which one I inoculated.


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When I was a boy, I was afraid to die.
When I became a man I was afraid to live.
But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19663771 - 03/07/14 02:34 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

congrats and good job:thumbup:


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Re: My First Grow [Re: cronicr]
    #19663782 - 03/07/14 02:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Nice to see, Congrats on this harvest :smile:


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Sabertooth]
    #19676217 - 03/10/14 01:56 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Last night, both the best and the worst thing happened to me in the entire grow...

I was tripping with my friend, you see, and I decided to weigh out 4 grams for myself and 3 for him. But what I didn't understand, and that I soon would find out while tripping, was that I had actually consumed more like .5 grams, and my friend had consumed perhaps even less. My scale had been calibrated incorrectly for the entire grow.

On an empty stomach, I felt the ~.5 grams, but my friend weighed his 1/8th of weed and found that something didn't add up, because he was feeling pretty much nothing at all. We put a nickel on my scale to find out that it weighed an ounce according to my calibration.... I was devastated. Not only am I a light weight, but all of the grow yield logs that I've been keeping are now rendered incorrect.

This has left me thinking that if I've only been dosing on something like 2 grams this entire time when I thought I was doing more like 5 or 6, then these mushrooms are more powerful than I could have dreamed of... I'm completely humbled.

This morning I re calibrated my scale and weighed all of my remaining dry yield. All I had was something like 23 dry grams worth of shrooms this entire time :facepalm:

I'm so embarassed. I'm so humbled by these mushrooms... I'm so weak, and I feel like I was such a fool to  think that I was doing so well at this my first time. I can't believe I found out all of this while tripping, and now I barely know what to say except that I need to wait until the next time I trip because it's going to be insane if I take a real 8th of shrooms.

My whole 800-900 grams of wet mushrooms that I had been thinking I had has turned out to be more like 200....

I can hardly believe any of this....


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When I was a boy, I was afraid to die.
When I became a man I was afraid to live.
But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19730181 - 03/21/14 09:35 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

All right guys. Well... It has been a long and beautifully winding road. I must say, I'm astounded at the kind of experience I got out of my first grow. I'm sitting here now with 3 beers down and ready to go out on the town, but I wanted to take a moment to reflect.

This grow did a lot to me. Needless to say, it taught me more than simply how to grow magic mushrooms, it taught me more about myself and what kind of person I am. I discovered I'm the kind of person who can go through with any project he wants. I'm a real ass kicking kind of person, haha. I don't know.

About a week ago I finally packed up my cakes and dropped them in a garbage can somewhere. It was one of the saddest moments of my entire year so far. I wasn't sad that it was over, I was mostly sad because of how endeared I had become with my cakes and after putting so much effort into them, I was honestly feeling kind of like a mother or father might.

One of the best moments of the entire grow came when I tripped for the first time with a friend. Having given him a genuine dosage of ~2.4 grams, it was absolutely mindblowingly funny and elating to see him trip for his first time on something that I had grown. He had visuals stronger and more interesting than I had had before, and that was rather encouraging. Mushrooms do something different and special for everybody.

So yes. This is definitely going to be a new hobby of mine. Mushrooms are sort of a taxing project in and of themselves, but that's not to say that I will never try LSD or Mescaline in the future. I'm really looking forward to continuing my psychedelic exploration. I think a mescaline trip in the summer would be a very powerful experience, and one that I could get down with for sure.

I should really shut the hell up though and end my thread once and for all so it can be archived and be officially written in the history books as a success story. So, I'll just end with some final words: I can't believe how easy it was. I can't believe how much fun I had. I can't believe that I had never done it before, and that I was too biased to think I could enjoy psychedelics. I'm changed forever and I have this forum and so much of the societal culture that I'm invested in to thank for that experience.

Thank you so very much and have a great time.

If anybody has any questions about ANYTHING concerning this grow, just comment and I will do my best to respond.

:goodnight:


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When I was a boy, I was afraid to die.
When I became a man I was afraid to live.
But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19730549 - 03/21/14 11:19 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:rockon:

You did really well for your first grow..  And you should be proud..  Congrats on your success!!  :dancer:


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