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Re: My First Grow [Re: cronicr]
    #19481744 - 01/27/14 02:58 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Holy. Your jars are quite far ahead of the jars I started the same day. Second that - clear lids are definitely helpful on the light situation.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: vikingsc]
    #19482037 - 01/27/14 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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Holy. Your jars are quite far ahead of the jars I started the same day. Second that - clear lids are definitely helpful on the light situation.




Do you have any contams in yours yet? It appears I have no contaminates whatsoever.

I think the reason that I'm this far in only two short weeks is that I mixed the substrate almost to the T as far as the ratios are concerned. It may have helped that I have pretty fine vermiculite as well. I thought that my substrate mixture was sort of dry, but it turned out to be absolutely perfect for my mushies so far. The other thing is that I'm really dedicated to leaving my jars in a fairly hot environment. I try to shoot for 80 degrees at all times where they are stored. I'm not monitoring the temperature with a thermometer or anything, but I figure if I'm feeling a bit on the warm side, then I'm doing a good job.

On the other hand, I still have some complications, as only about 3 or 4 of my cakes are going to be ready to go right at the beginning.

One of my cakes was only inoculated at one site somehow even though I confidently injected each hole..... and that shit is going to take forever to fucking colonize. I'm actually just considering tossing it because I know it may take an extra month to actually get anything out of it. Sucky, but at least my main cakes are all doing an awesome job.


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But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19488743 - 01/28/14 09:25 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

Alllllrighty then.

Today isn't really an update, it's just to show some more pics and talk about the grow. I am getting very close to the exciting point of birthing, so I have been gearing up and gettin' ready.

Here are a couple pictures of the preliminary terrarium setup.



Here's some proof to show that I got the holes in the bottom of the tote too. Every hole is spaced as best as I could, 2 inches apart with 1/4 an inch in diameter.


For further terrarium steps, I've obviously got to fill it up with damp perlite, but in the mean time before I tend to that, I am trying to figure out what I want to do with my lighting situation. The room that you're seeing will have plenty of indirect daylight during most days, but in addition, I'm thinking about setting up a small desk lamp with one of my 5800hz light bulbs nearby on the rack to shine into the tote. I'd obviously try and set it up in such a way that it isn't heating up the terrarium and sending my temps too high. Let me know what you guys think of the idea.

Now for my jars:

Again, all 12 of my jars are so far contaminate free as of 15 days into the growth cycle. 1 of my jars only initiated mycelium at one hole, 2 of my jars only initiated at 2 holes, and still 2 more jars only initiated at 3 holes. Perhaps I did not shake my syringe well enough or something when I was inoculating, but regardless I am forced to deal with the situation now. These jars are growing at the same rate of the others, but obviously full colonization is going to take a lot longer. Those jars with inoculation at only one or two holes are still beginning to spread to the bottom of the jars as well, which is nice as I understand there tends to be less air exchange down there.

However, my 7 remaining jars did all inoculate successfully at their four sites, and most of them are beginning to look like this:




Two of my jars are the king shit, and have spread even more quickly. They look like this:




(Note of the above photo. Those green colors are NOT apparent when viewing the jar with plain sight. My camera obviously is not the greatest.)

Once I've seen my primary 7 jars each colonize the entire BRF cakes, I'll set a loose timer, and prepare to birth them starting around 7 days following the point when they have fully colonized their jar. That will give them some time to grab a thicker hold onto the substrate material, and really strengthen the mycelium network by which nutrients are carried. After the 'timer' clicks, I'll know it's time to rock n' roll.

This will be my last post in my grow thread for a while. I am going to watch patiently over the next week while I monitor the progress of my main 7 jars, as well as keep a close eye on my whimpy ones for any contaminates that might grab a hold of the substrate before the fungus can fully colonize the jar.

I've got a good idea on what it is going to take to birth my cakes and so I'm confident that with just a little review I will totally nail the procedure. I'm going to be dunking for 24 hours, and subsequently rolling my cakes in dry, sterilized vermiculite as is often suggested. Hopefully in conjunction with the light bulb(s), all of my hard work should culminate in a massive climax of pinheads.

Talk to you guys later. Happy to answer any questions or concerns that are thrown my way.

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5 :mushroom2: for you my friend. Mostly because I like your signature, also because you take advice well, you dont seem to be hard headed and you make changes when necessary based on the advice of those who are more experienced.  Keep up the good work!  I hope you are blessed with many fruits!




Thanks a lot for the great compliment. I'm also hoping for many good fruits. If all things go well, I'll be dancing with you guys!


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But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19528253 - 02/05/14 11:00 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Well, hey guys. This is earlier than I was hoping to post, but I'm running into an unexpected series of events.

Firstly, after only 4 days of full colonization, I have found one of my initially well off jars to be pinning. I have decided to expedite my process and begin the dunk & roll procedures earlier than the originally anticipated 7 days.



In the other image, I have a jar that is also doing very well, but I was a bit worried by growth on the side of the jar, and just a few specks that looked discolored. If you guys think that it may be contamination, let me know. I will set it aside for now and perhaps birth it later.

The rest of my jars are doing fantastic. Even though it has only been four or five days since full colonization, I don't see what harm can come from birthing them a bit earlier, especially considering the pinning that is beginning to happen. The light in my incubation chamber is too damn good.

EDIT:

Just want to say, I opened up all of my jars and dunked them. There's no signs of contamination in the jar that I was suspicious of. I was really surprised to touch these cakes. The smell is so mushroomy! It was a real sensation to hold them and stuff. I'm starting to feel pretty good about my grow and like it's all coming together.

Also, I went ahead and just popped those two pinheads in my first photo down the hatch after I had finished dunking. If a psychedelic trip were analogous to a time warp into deep space travel, then I'm Neil Armstrong.

.33 grams wet here I gooooooo!!!!!!  jk, of course.


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But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19533488 - 02/07/14 12:07 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I think that went pretty well.

I've finished the dunk and roll for 7 cakes. First step was to open each jar and scrape off the vermiculite, which I did. I filled a clean pot with cool tap water and after rinsing each cake, submerged them under the water, weighted down by a couple of ceramic plates for 24 hours. At the end of the 24 hour period I removed the cakes, rinsed them again, and rolled them in a moderately thick coat of sterilized vermiculite. The vermiculite was sterilized via my oven at 350 degrees for just over ~30 minutes. I went ahead after that and placed each cake on a new piece of tin foil in my terrarium with the hand's depth of perlite as described by "Let's Grow Mushrooms".

My terrarium setup is built with the terrarium set up on two planks of wood with a towel underneath of it to catch any dripping moisture from the perlite layer, all placed on a plastic shelf. On a higher level of the shelf, two desk lamps fit with 5800khz fluorescent light bulbs lay flat and shining down somewhat at an obtuse angle into the terrarium to light it from both sides. Everything is very well lit, and after having tested the light during my time waiting for the dunk, I've figured that the light is far enough and shining indirectly enough at the terrarium for there to be no transfer of heat from the bulb into the chamber. It's just a lot of pure bright light. In addition, I have a window with indirect sunlight which will be able to filter through more daylight.



Humidity is a bit of a factor I'm worried about because I'm not able to gauge it, but I am going to be making sure to soak my vermiculite casing pretty well over the next couple of hours as described by part 3 of the "Let's Grow Mushrooms" videos online. Once I've got everything nice and wet in there, I am going to just give everything a quick fan of fresh air before I turn out the lights and begin regular cycles of 12 hours on, 12 hours off.


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When I was a boy, I was afraid to die.
When I became a man I was afraid to live.
But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19542361 - 02/09/14 01:35 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Heyo guys,

I have a random question.

In the process of birthing two more of my cakes tonight, I opened up one of them to scrape off the vermiculite in preparation for dunking when I noticed a little bit of a green patch at the top of the cake within vermiculite that had not been colonized. I thought this was a good time to birth as the cake looked fully colonized everywhere else and had been so for a week, but I went ahead and had to pick off this green patch with my finger nail and I realized that it was more or less in contact with the mycelium network. Now, I'm wondering if this is a deal breaker, because the cake is in good health, smells great, and looks fine. There aren't any problems with it, it was just next to what looks like a really harmless contaminant.

I know all of the stuff online will tell me that I should just toss this cake, but having gotten away what looked like a contaminant and not being able to see anymore around the cake at this point, am I still fucked? Again, it's not like it took over the jar.

Just let me know, I will take any answer that a long time/trusted cultivator puts down to heart. I've just left it sitting inside a clean jar with some water in it for now. What if I just birth it separately without dunking so I can keep an eye on it?

Edit: After reading a couple of threads, I'm deciding to toss the cake. As hard as the decision is just to throw it out, I don't think it's worth the problems to come if it actually happens to be contaminated. Unfortunately my biggest folly here was not actually documenting or taking pictures of what I saw on the cake, and as a result I can't get a positive ID that it was a contaminate. All I know is that I saw a slightly green patch of vermiculite growing on the mycelium in such a way that I had to strip away part of the substrate in order to clean it up.

Let this be a lesson learned, I suppose. I will continue to let the cake be dunked and perhaps set it up in a small poor man's terrarium away from my main place of operation so that it can have a chance at life, but the moment it becomes a problem, or the contaminate arises again, I will pitch it.


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But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19554678 - 02/11/14 09:37 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Well, hey guys. Today is a not so happy update, unfortunately.

After birthing, I have begun to run into some real problems. I think that my lighting is working well, and my fresh air exchange seems to be doing ok at initiating pins. But so far I have not gained very many pins, only three or four at the most. These ones that have formed are showing poor signs of growth due to environmental problems. At this point I believe that I have either not provided a humid enough environment (not thoroughly soaking my perlite well enough), or I am misting my cakes too much.

Either way, let me show you what I'm dealing with.



I'm very sad to report that these are my two strongest pins shown above. After just about 5 days now, it's very obvious I am doing something wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel this is not how pins should look, and I am hoping that somebody can help me. I'm in dire need of some assistance at this point if I am to save these cakes, I feel.

If you've got anything - ANYTHING that might help. Please let me know.

Here's what I've been doing so far:

Up to this point I was misting 2-3 times per day, and fanning vigorously for 1-2 minutes after each mist. I made sure at the beginning of the birthing to not only roll the cakes, but mist them thoroughly a couple times over the next couple of hours.

What I observed over the next couple of days was the mycelium begin to reach out over the dry vermiculite, become very airy and fluffy, and then as I sprayed it, it got soggy and sunk back into the top of the cakes. I'm thinking more than anything else that I have over saturated my cakes, which has led to these horrible pins.

Please let me know. Like I said, any advice is appreciated at this point. In the mean time I decided to strain a little bit more room temperature water over my perlite, and of course stop misting altogether until I see the airy mycelium return and initiate healthier looking pins. I will continue fanning.


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But, when I became a little bit wiser, I became a child who walks with death.
Now, I play outside every day in a never ending summer; my glory days never faded.
And I smile ironically in the face of my doom.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19556783 - 02/12/14 10:59 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

usually a couple early risers with multi-spore, no biggies.
mist when the surface has dried, fan repeat:thumbup:


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Re: My First Grow [Re: cronicr]
    #19556951 - 02/12/14 12:05 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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usually a couple early risers with multi-spore, no biggies.
mist when the surface has dried, fan repeat:thumbup:




Okeydoke. I'll keep up the misting once a day and not get flustered about the weird ones popping up. Thanks for the response. Will post more as soon as I get some new results! :smile:


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19575960 - 02/16/14 04:51 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

It's been about half of a week. Things are going much better than they were before. I'll fill you in.

After my previous post, I did some thinking and watched things happen over the next couple of days. I realized that over saturation didn't seem to be my problem at all. If anything, things were drying out. During this time I was also ready to birth my 3rd and 2nd to last cakes.So when I went to dunk these two new cakes, I threw in one of the cakes that was looking very dry, and began a new plan of action to rehydrate everything.

I've begun spraying the walls of my terrarium regularly now. I try to keep up a fantastic mist as well as leave pools of water in the top of my plastic tote where it can sit freely and evaporate without a worry of contamination. I now make sure that at nearly all times there is a very fine mist left over my cakes and walls consistently, because the many holes in the SGFC from before were drying things out. I wasn't being aggressive enough with my misting.

Sure enough, I am beginning to initiate more pins than before, and the primordia that were forming on a few of my cakes are finally much happier and beginning to develop. However, although I am beginning to get some really handsome pins out of my cakes now, I still am having problems with some small mushrooms. After some reading I have gathered that this could just be a result of my multi spore syringes. If you guys think otherwise, let me know. I would hate for there to be some sort of condition in my SGFC which is keeping me from initiating massive fruits.

Here are some pictures. Please let me know if you see anything I can capitalize on and fix.




At this time, I have collected a rough equivalent yield of maybe 8 dry grams of mushrooms.

I did eat the first larger wimp out of the bunch when it was wet. It was bruising really nicely and weighed about 8 grams. I wrote about the short lived and rather average experience of the mushroom on the level 1 trip reports board so people can check it out.

http://www.shroomery.org/12949/My-First-Step

It wasn't that nuts or anything and it was actually more average than a lot of shit in my life, so I'm just waiting for more little guys to roll in at this point and then I will leave some commentary on trips with higher doses.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19576745 - 02/16/14 07:40 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

To me it seems like you are over doing it(we all were there with our first grow). If your SGFC is good, witch it looks like it is to me, you have no need to fan it at all. I very rarely fan mine only like one a week just to move stale air around. They are drying out because IMO your fanning all the mist away. Mist it and leave it till it gets to 75% humidity, then mist again and let let get back to down to 75% and repeat. Hope this helps and good luck.


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    #19576766 - 02/16/14 07:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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To me it seems like you are over doing it(we all were there with our first grow). If your SGFC is good, witch it looks like it is to me, you have no need to fan it at all. I very rarely fan mine only like one a week just to move stale air around. They are drying out because IMO your fanning all the mist away. Mist it and leave it till it gets to 75% humidity, then mist again and let let get back to down to 75% and repeat. Hope this helps and good luck.




That does help, only thing is that I don't have a humidity gauge. I'll take your advice and just try to not fan as much though. I can keep that calm balance between soft mist droplets settling on my cakes, slowly being absorbed, and then remisting, while only ever so occasionally fanning to get the air circulating again.

At least now I know more of what I'm looking at, whereas before I really didn't have a clue whether I was too dry or too humid. Now I'm looking back at that and laughing. :laugh:


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Dense Cake]
    #19576792 - 02/16/14 07:52 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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To me it seems like you are over doing it(we all were there with our first grow). If your SGFC is good, witch it looks like it is to me, you have no need to fan it at all. I very rarely fan mine only like one a week just to move stale air around. They are drying out because IMO your fanning all the mist away. Mist it and leave it till it gets to 75% humidity, then mist again and let let get back to down to 75% and repeat. Hope this helps and good luck.




That does help, only thing is that I don't have a humidity gauge. I'll take your advice and just try to not fan as much though. I can keep that calm balance between soft mist droplets settling on my cakes, slowly being absorbed, and then remisting, while only ever so occasionally fanning to get the air circulating again.

At least now I know more of what I'm looking at, whereas before I really didn't have a clue whether I was too dry or too humid. Now I'm looking back at that and laughing. :laugh:



You should go to Walmart and get a humidity gauge. They are 20 bucks and are an invaluable piece of equipment. They take all the guess work out of it. IMO if you mist really well the cakes are good for about 8 hours before you need to mist again. Good luck but you really should get a gauge.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Danner16]
    #19576902 - 02/16/14 08:11 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Now this isnt me saying it cause I dont really know. Have very limited experience with sgfc's. But ive read tc's saying to mist, then fan till evaporated, then mist again and let the second mist sit. THis provides the humidity and moisture on cake for big mushies and the blast of evaporation for a pinning trigger.

Just a thought :smile:


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    #19577615 - 02/16/14 11:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Now this isnt me saying it cause I dont really know. Have very limited experience with sgfc's. But ive read tc's saying to mist, then fan till evaporated, then mist again and let the second mist sit. THis provides the humidity and moisture on cake for big mushies and the blast of evaporation for a pinning trigger.

Just a thought :smile:



:thumbup: That would definitely be fine. Maybe I will give that a try.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Danner16]
    #19578070 - 02/17/14 02:39 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

yes just mist and fan for like 30 seconds to promote evaporation, as long as you got moisture on the surface it gives you 100% humidity there as it evaporates


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    #19578766 - 02/17/14 08:41 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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yes just mist and fan for like 30 seconds to promote evaporation, as long as you got moisture on the surface it gives you 100% humidity there as it evaporates



We just went over that this is his problem. He is fan all the mist away. 30 seconds IMO is way to much fanning unless like Valyr said he is misting again after he fans.


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Re: My First Grow [Re: Danner16]
    #19578782 - 02/17/14 08:45 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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yes just mist and fan for like 30 seconds to promote evaporation, as long as you got moisture on the surface it gives you 100% humidity there as it evaporates



We just went over that this is his problem. He is fan all the mist away. 30 seconds IMO is way to much fanning unless like Valyr said he is misting again after he fans.



You guys do realize that it is impossible for all the water you just misted to evaporate in 30 seconds right?

We just want to fan enough to cycle out all the old air in the chamber, so there is room for evaporation to take place.

It is hard for water to evaporate when the humidity is in the upper 90s, so we fan out the chamber for a drop in RH so evaporation can take place.

30 seconds is not too much, and will not require more misting until the water you just misted evaporates.


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    #19578803 - 02/17/14 08:51 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

uh oh, pussy fart changed his icon...

Sgt Stedanko????

going to tell us recruits how we are worthless mush growers???
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    #19578808 - 02/17/14 08:54 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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