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Science Marches On
    #19409506 - 01/12/14 06:10 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Once again, science has, as Aleister Crowley observed, come around to telling us what everybody already knew. Neuroscientists have just discovered that the brain processes far more information than is delivered up for conscious perception. That something of which the brain is subconsciously cognizant may not be made aware to the organism. That, in reality, there are many thousands if not millions of processes of active information processing of which an individual simply has no idea. The psychonaut of the sixties could have told you all that. So could the Buddhist monk of the fourteenth century. And so could just about everyone here at the Shroomery.  Great.


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: DividedQuantum] * 3
    #19409963 - 01/12/14 08:15 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Saying it and demonstrating it are very different however.


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: Kickle]
    #19410009 - 01/12/14 08:25 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

I hope one day what Ramana Maharshi was saying is some scientifically shown to be the case. I guess quantum field theory, that idea that it's all one continuous field of information, sort of confirms it, but then people like Ken Wilbur wrote about how it doesn't really.

If we could somehow prove publicly that we all must be the one self, it would solve a lot of violence, classism, greed and arrogance, and generally "man's inhumanity to man", ie. war would be seen as a completely absurd act by both sides.


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: circastes]
    #19410070 - 01/12/14 08:37 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Kickle said:
Saying it and demonstrating it are very different however.




Although Kickle, ironically I think that in demonstrating it these neuroscientists have no idea what they're really saying, or touching on.  Goes both ways.

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I hope one day what Ramana Maharshi was saying is some scientifically shown to be the case. I guess quantum field theory, that idea that it's all one continuous field of information, sort of confirms it, but then people like Ken Wilbur wrote about how it doesn't really.

If we could somehow prove publicly that we all must be the one self, it would solve a lot of violence, classism, greed and arrogance, and generally "man's inhumanity to man", ie. war would be seen as a completely absurd act by both sides.




I would refer you to the physicist/philosopher David Bohm.  Google "implicate order."


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #19410129 - 01/12/14 08:49 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Why do you think that?


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: circastes] * 1
    #19410139 - 01/12/14 08:53 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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I hope one day what Ramana Maharshi was saying is some scientifically shown to be the case. I guess quantum field theory, that idea that it's all one continuous field of information, sort of confirms it, but then people like Ken Wilbur wrote about how it doesn't really.

If we could somehow prove publicly that we all must be the one self, it would solve a lot of violence, classism, greed and arrogance, and generally "man's inhumanity to man", ie. war would be seen as a completely absurd act by both sides.





I'm afraid it wouldn't change anything for most people. Dream on.


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: Icelander]
    #19410791 - 01/13/14 12:31 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Yea..I think all the evidence in the world for "oneness" and all that jazz wouldn't mean a thing in this world.

There's no oneness when money is the fuel that turns the world.


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #19411009 - 01/13/14 02:40 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Once again, science has, as Aleister Crowley observed, come around to telling us what everybody already knew. Neuroscientists have just discovered that the brain processes far more information than is delivered up for conscious perception. That something of which the brain is subconsciously cognizant may not be made aware to the organism. That, in reality, there are many thousands if not millions of processes of active information processing of which an individual simply has no idea. The psychonaut of the sixties could have told you all that. So could the Buddhist monk of the fourteenth century. And so could just about everyone here at the Shroomery.  Great.




:ducklol:

Neuroscientists know that the brain processes a lot of information, and know a fair amount about how.  Nobody seems to know how that is related to consciousness; anybody that thinks they do is either mistaken, or has much to explain.


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: circastes]
    #19411324 - 01/13/14 05:54 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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I hope one day what Ramana Maharshi was saying is some scientifically shown to be the case. I guess quantum field theory, that idea that it's all one continuous field of information, sort of confirms it, but then people like Ken Wilbur wrote about how it doesn't really.

If we could somehow prove publicly that we all must be the one self, it would solve a lot of violence, classism, greed and arrogance, and generally "man's inhumanity to man", ie. war would be seen as a completely absurd act by both sides.




your reasoning is wrong.. if there is one self then that self truly exist so existence is true by respecting it or its fact of being free

then anyone else is free in principle of self right, so relatively under certain ways of behaviors like recognizing else objective rights ..

but saying that all must be the one self ... is clearly claiming opportunism as the way to see true existence so clearly meaning fallacies superiority of beings over true existence facts... then who would care about the self to be false when being false is the right superior way ??? anyone is able to invent being false much better then by forcing himself to be false from another true self


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: absols]
    #19411486 - 01/13/14 07:38 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

I think the idea of us all being One consciousness is correct but it flows like liquid between us.  Emotions and actions release and draw in living material from human interaction with other individuals.  You can source life force from others with the way you pronounce your words and move your body.  In this way we are more one thing moving about amongst the population.  BUT!?  There are many of them...  Like amoebas of consciousness.  The Gods.  The Etherians.  The All Seeing Eye.


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19411711 - 01/13/14 09:28 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

no.. what you are meaning prove the opposite ..

we react from knowing what is before our eyes because each one is different but from reality ways .. so from acknowledging fast what else is present on the same space

there cant be existence unless there is a constant plus as the only thing actually existing objectively... while the abstraction of same is held individually out of being objective

for objective constant plus, freedom is a must and it must be true so able to behave as an objective positive source ... like even a sentence could not be repeated .. because once done the objective of meaning the same thing must be better ... those are rules of existence not something anyone can invent .. it is the objective fact that everyone know how things are never one

but of course evil is the powerful negative source that dream about making all believe that everything is one same ... to deform facts of what exist .. and claim that all is like nothing value same .. so there is no different rights nor true existence realities of beings ..

what cannot be constantly better, is what is not true .. and what is not true is present constant liar being from taking advantage of all what can be known existing true by ruining its objective value from knowing it ..

in truth, freedom that cant mean objective rights is simply more positively free out of everything from the fact that everything would be seen superior .. objective superiority is a reason of positive freedom out anyway, so the still out would be relatively well even if it lacks to be a source for whatever reason of being of needs end .. so out of objective realizations positively in rest and like children too 

this is how it is known how a lot of right people are like zero value .. mostly always positive without being a source of anything

existence is a conception of being constant right not a thing or a reality that you feel .. what you see or think it is yourself present constant end not else that you think or feel .. you can maybe have a sense of what thing that you see is relatively or globally but still you cant know its constant objective reality value which is actually its fact existence value and the objective value fact rights

like you don't care for the constant value objectively.. as your way is certainly from believing opposites being right ways

then how all is one ?? when opposites so anyways are right in being everything constant sources .. like bringing energy to things anyhow just to keep struggling for being .. this is wrong.. but you don't care about it.. for you it means life .. while obviously you and the thing constant are never true that way

then why advocating all one ?? just for absolute evil ways .. what you recall being god lies

why you keep arguing to force others to your beliefs about everything ?? because you mean that evil god force

why do you need that god force on others when god is by definition free source ?? because god ways are by enslaving right beings those that cannot lie and have a presence that has some value on the ground

what matter here clearly to me is not you nor your god to reveal ...

what matter when I think about all that is all the crimes that are done live constantly on valuable beings
this is all what matter to me .. because it is infinitely objective evil fact where there is nothing anymore to talk about
it can never be corrected back nor compensated ..

there is only one thing to mean, the hell of all gods down to be

and to me then all my means would be clear, how there would be no way for arguing about those things ... just freedom of positive means and wills

what is free is by definition true.. when you do something without having to lean on something else, it is because you care for what you are doing, and also you become attached to the end of what you are doing alone because it is a part of yourself or vice versa

positively conscious existence say one thing, only what is true can be constant

negatively only evil is the reason of absolutes objective existence

if there were no evil, then existence would be much more free realities ends and for beauty or love or values.. whatever one love to give to what it cares about
in the sense of always plus of constant positive ways of being

where infinity would be the judge of objective freedom rights from objective value nature of different rights

anyways.. existence is only to infinite rights

whether of being infinite superiority
or infinite freedom

from what existence cant be but true free superiority or superior freedom truth

only infinite nature is what it is constant certainly and without taking advantage of any else existence true too


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #19412107 - 01/13/14 11:42 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Once again, science has, as Aleister Crowley observed, come around to telling us what everybody already knew. Neuroscientists have just discovered that the brain processes far more information than is delivered up for conscious perception. That something of which the brain is subconsciously cognizant may not be made aware to the organism. That, in reality, there are many thousands if not millions of processes of active information processing of which an individual simply has no idea. The psychonaut of the sixties could have told you all that. So could the Buddhist monk of the fourteenth century. And so could just about everyone here at the Shroomery.  Great.




Actually I remember a thread from months ago in which I was one of those arguing for a sub-conscious. It seems many people believe there is nothing below the level of perception.


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    #19412160 - 01/13/14 11:55 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

because they care only about what it points themselves positively or allow them to get some rewards in mentioning else facts of being existing

that is how honest people in the sense of recognizing else rights of being too or what they know existing are rare beings ..

that is how it seems that evil is ultimately from absolute will to take advantage of truth knowledge like something to abuse its existence rights

because truth is infinite value so everyone can deny seeing

while when infinite value is true so value is everything and any than in objective ways of existence it is impossible to miss .. so liars are easily seen


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: absols]
    #19412524 - 01/13/14 01:47 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

There might have been some hubris involved, but I wouldn't call those I was debating against 'liars'.


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Re: Science Marches On [Re: Rahz]
    #19412569 - 01/13/14 01:59 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

of course .. i never mean anybody
conscious beings to me are almost nothing, because always relative

i mean by liars god existence through men gender life

god to me is not only what reverse existing facts rights but also what force lies of all the reversed ways and the freedom out of being an absolute liar


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