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Re: You're level of DA [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19408447 - 01/12/14 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks for sharing, it takes courage to do so. :peace:

At least it does for me, being a case for Freud and having been semi-bullied.




I'm actually pretty well adjusted emotionally, talking about growing up in that environment isn't difficult because its really ordinary on a global scale.



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Re: Your level of DA [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19408488 - 01/12/14 01:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've been relieved of allot of DA by way of the psychedelic spiritual death experience itself.

And by being desensitized by emotional trauma at the hands of what calls itself Baphomet.

I tried to will my own death and cross over or blink out routinely but it never happened.

I told the puppet masters that if they wanted to they could kill me and they tried.

But I kept seeing white light and all I could feel was eventual release from a hellish state.

So I have little anxiety anymore.  If anything I have come to the realization that I will be immersed in peace at the time of death.  (?)









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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #19408503 - 01/12/14 02:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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it does not suggest that the subject - through his or her life - was anticipating this conjectured immanent issue, and therefore always held onto the anxiety.




Either way its engrained in their subconscious and has kept them alive long enough to be of eligible age to register on these forums. The situation above isn't when they will experience death anxiety but when they realize that they've only been ignoring it



So you think that a person's entire life hangs on that hook, and is only enduring because of that hook.
OK.
you can think what you want.
I have come to admire that protplasm works, cells work, tissues and organs work, and they all work and stay alive without that hook.
So I prefer to consider that Life does not require DA.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19408514 - 01/12/14 02:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So you think that a person's entire life hangs on that hook, and is only enduring because of that hook.
OK.
you can think what you want.
I have come to admire that protplasm works, cells work, tissues and organs work, and they all work and stay alive without that hook.
So I prefer to consider that Life does not require DA.




Like a jock full of fish hooks, I admire your tenacity.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19408524 - 01/12/14 02:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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LunarEclipse said:
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FishOilTheKid said:
I've been relieved of allot of DA by way of the psychedelic spiritual death experience itself.

And by being desensitized by emotional trauma at the hands of what calls itself Baphomet.

I tried to will my own death and cross over or blink out routinely but it never happened.

I told the puppet masters that if they wanted to they could kill me and they tried.

But I kept seeing white light and all I could feel was eventual release from a hellish state.

So I have little anxiety anymore.  If anything I have come to the realization that I will be immersed in peace at the time of death.  (?)









Will you post the lyrics...??

IAMTHEMASTER




NOIWILLNOTGOFUCKYOURSELF


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19408532 - 01/12/14 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander] * 3
    #19408550 - 01/12/14 02:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What are we covering here not covered in your 1,127 other DA threads?


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19408565 - 01/12/14 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So you think that a person's entire life hangs on that hook, and is only enduring because of that hook.
OK.
you can think what you want.
I have come to admire that protplasm works, cells work, tissues and organs work, and they all work and stay alive without that hook.
So I prefer to consider that Life does not require DA.




Hooks and protoplasm?

Our instinct to fear death keeps us from taking risks which would eventually kill us, if someone has lived to come of age then they have that healthy fear to thank for it. All of this being subconscious for most.

Personally I prefer to think of death and indulge in that fear, to meditate on it and integrate it into a growing appreciation for life. By being aware of the reality of my situation, that I will eventually die and likely won't continue on in any way past that, I find everything put in perspective. Why spend my time working and living up to other people's expectations? Shit I've suffered enough, and death anxiety is a reminder of both this and that


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19408693 - 01/12/14 02:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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it does not suggest that the subject - through his or her life - was anticipating this conjectured immanent issue, and therefore always held onto the anxiety.




Either way its engrained in their subconscious and has kept them alive long enough to be of eligible age to register on these forums. The situation above isn't when they will experience death anxiety but when they realize that they've only been ignoring it



So you think that a person's entire life hangs on that hook, and is only enduring because of that hook.
OK.
you can think what you want.
I have come to admire that protplasm works, cells work, tissues and organs work, and they all work and stay alive without that hook.
So I prefer to consider that Life does not require DA.




"Life" in general may not but that has little to do with a neo-cortex having it.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19408699 - 01/12/14 02:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Reasoning behind a fear or death is as logical as fearing the sunrise.. it will happen, you cannot do too much about it. Being fearless is not the equal to being careless, still, fear of the inevitable is pure idiocy.. it only adds to one's suffering.




What will you think of this statement when you're bleeding out on the pavement? One has to be very sheltered to think they're beyond death anxiety, sheltered and distracted.




You reflect too much upon yourself, and thus you get irrasional... you need to trip more it seems..


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icyus]
    #19408705 - 01/12/14 02:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:braindamage: nice


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icyus]
    #19408912 - 01/12/14 03:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You reflect too much upon yourself, and thus you get irrasional... you need to trip more it seems..




Projection & the old 'no true Scotsman'

Classic signs of denial


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19411116 - 01/13/14 03:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Hooks and protoplasm?

Our instinct to fear death keeps us from taking risks which would eventually kill us, if someone has lived to come of age then they have that healthy fear to thank for it. All of this being subconscious for most.

Personally I prefer to think of death and indulge in that fear, to meditate on it and integrate it into a growing appreciation for life. By being aware of the reality of my situation, that I will eventually die and likely won't continue on in any way past that, I find everything put in perspective. Why spend my time working and living up to other people's expectations? Shit I've suffered enough, and death anxiety is a reminder of both this and that




personal experience are by definition detached totally from objective facts .. things are not personal outcomes

most of people lives has nothing to do with fears .. people that never fear could die old or young .. also for people that do fear they could die old or young .. also the quality of life has nothing to do with that

comfortable life could be the reality of anxious disorders persons more then miserable conditions of life

things or objective life is the constant fact .. fear or mortal conditions of being has nothing to do with constant state

also fear is not principally about death.. although I agree with your point there .. how a lot that we don't do is from meaning avoiding death

but it is exclusively a personal issue... that can be abused in absolutes ways of evil powers force..

while it is normal that a being cant think his death, his non being.. and when being is conscious so through knowing stable facts it become crazy to take risks of death .. but that is not healthy when death is the major fact of being.. so conscious is not conscious of anything if it is not present conscious act to that


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: absols]
    #19411824 - 01/13/14 10:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think it has less to do with early childhood experiences and more to do with experiences of loss in adulthood.

  • Death of friends
  • death of family
  • illness
  • injury
  • near death experience
  • recovery from addictions

These and more remind us of our own mentality and feed the death anxiety, making us want to leave our mark, imprint others and generally live life but also pay more attention to our health.
Of course Ive seen some instances where people just "give up" and either off themselves instantaneously or slowly over many years....so Im not entirely sure...but I think for the most part if you take this case;
Someone who miscarried a child, had about 20-30 of their friends die, lost their left arm in a wreck and drank for many years to deal with pain and finally got sober...is the sorta person I think would have more death anxiety, rather than someone still holding onto childhood anxieties....unless maybe those anxieties were also caused by loss/death.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: freeofthought]
    #19411841 - 01/13/14 10:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's funny because I had an abusive anxiety ridden childhood but have seen almost no real death in my life until I was much older.  I had tons of death anxiety all my life. If anything I have less now. :shrug:


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19411908 - 01/13/14 10:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

maybe your abusive childhood anxiety was related to violence and threats of violence (highly likely).

becker has encouraged you to extrapolate and elevate it to a more lofty status by coining "death anxiety" a final virtual knot that can only be untied by croaking.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: freeofthought]
    #19412078 - 01/13/14 11:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no I don't think the point has anything to do with loss

lost cant be a reason of anxiety when it can be the other way

some people enjoy the freedom of getting detached from things

the point could be about hateful forces .. like knowing how your move are objectively not welcome as you might think or feel about it

while consciously the point to fear is to be killed not death in general

so to face how you can be humiliated till death

why would you go out when you know this .. we as slave conditioned by force, are run like animals .. forced to do and not do certain things in life .. 

conscious beings have a lot to do with true existence so they are relatively free .. so this can be very harmful and a major reason of serious hell of struggles which everyone avoid ... to face an absolute powerful negative force on your moves and being

also it is clear that animals fear .. so it is not about being anxious but more the sign of something to fear

it is funny how conscious wills keep meaning to justify fears as something we invent subjectively .. because conscious mean always to make business from possible claim that one is all, so being conscious become like a god a creator of any objective answers and things ..

animals couldn't invent fears ..

fear is only to present fact so always about negative else sense

in truth, self is always positive more that is how children rarely fear


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19412151 - 01/13/14 11:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe fear and anxiety are related like pain and suffering.
The first is a natural reaction, the second is something our neocortex is deluding us with.
I always was curious about the unknown and dangerous, so I can't evaluate my level of DA. Of course I also feel fear, or the body reaction to some dangerous situation, but through the process of rationalization one can prevent the fear condensing as anxiety, especially with irrational fears, which DA clearly is one of those.
But of course, on the other side, it's the mother of all fears, as all fears warn us or want to prevent us from harmful situations.
It's just our mind, which over-styled it to some rational thing to fear hehe, while it's just only something inevitable, reaching out for our lives in many situations and various forms. It would be a failure to ignore it, so it would also be a failure to live by  focusing on it :wink:


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19412711 - 01/13/14 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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maybe your abusive childhood anxiety was related to violence and threats of violence (highly likely).

becker has encouraged you to extrapolate and elevate it to a more lofty status by coining "death anxiety" a final virtual knot that can only be untied by croaking.





No didn't experience much physical violence. It was emotional mostly.

Becker was dead so couldn't encourage me.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19412771 - 01/13/14 02:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

contrarily you had experienced emotional violence and there was anxiety about it.
you could have said it was a deathly intense anxiety,
and you can add "deathly" to any adjective to stress how intense and terrifying it was.


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