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OfflineDeviate
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The joy and the pain of living consciously
    #19408390 - 01/12/14 01:33 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

So I have recently gone through a spiritual awakening of sorts. Not enlightenment, I am still very far from enlightened but I am spiritually awake now, I am no longer going through life in a semi conscious trance like most people, just a consumer of entertainment in my spare time.

You'd think this would be a good thing and in many ways it is a good thing. I feel much more alive now, much more present and the world appears much more beautiful. But the downside is that conscious living means confronting all your faults and problems and all the unpleasant truths about life that you've been avoiding and facing them. I am finding this immensely painful and often I find myself missing the days before my awakening when I could simply flip on the TV and forget my problems by entering into a semi conscious trance in front of the tube.

I long for an end to suffering, for true enlightenment and I know that no matter what I do, I will never find true rest until I reach that state. But for now, there doesn't seem to be anything I can do but put up with the pain of being conscious and awake in a world I'd almost rather sleep through.


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate] * 2
    #19408413 - 01/12/14 01:40 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

We are the creators of our own joy and suffering


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: lessismore]
    #19408435 - 01/12/14 01:47 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Suffering cannot be avoided, all you can do to help it is accept it. I like to project forward to when I am dead. Being fully conscious of your impending death makes it hard to be bugged by much. All there is to do is appreciate the continuous moment that is your existence.


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: lessismore]
    #19408512 - 01/12/14 02:06 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

mio said:
We are the creators of our own joy and suffering




Hence the need for self mastery. Becoming more conscious is a step in that direction.


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19408573 - 01/12/14 02:19 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

I dont need to obtain anything I got everything I need

how can I say I am not conscious of my own consciousness/reality?

only if I believe my thoughts, but in reality I got it all

self mastery is our nature :-)
it is natural to be happy, it is natural to have good overview of thought, it is natural to see nature/everything as having soul/being sacred

as long as we dont do anything against ourselves

if we have done anything against ourselves we must first undo it, learn from mistakes

it seems you are on the path, the only thing you need to is not to worry
and not to regret


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19408609 - 01/12/14 02:29 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

could true enlightenment mean confronting suffering with the utmost conscience?.. i wonder


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19408755 - 01/12/14 03:08 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Deviate said:
So I have recently gone through a spiritual awakening of sorts. Not enlightenment, I am still very far from enlightened but I am spiritually awake now, I am no longer going through life in a semi conscious trance like most people, just a consumer of entertainment in my spare time.

You'd think this would be a good thing and in many ways it is a good thing. I feel much more alive now, much more present and the world appears much more beautiful. But the downside is that conscious living means confronting all your faults and problems and all the unpleasant truths about life that you've been avoiding and facing them. I am finding this immensely painful and often I find myself missing the days before my awakening when I could simply flip on the TV and forget my problems by entering into a semi conscious trance in front of the tube.

I long for an end to suffering, for true enlightenment and I know that no matter what I do, I will never find true rest until I reach that state. But for now, there doesn't seem to be anything I can do but put up with the pain of being conscious and awake in a world I'd almost rather sleep through.





I've been awake for a long time. You'll get used to it. You might want to check into nootropics.


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With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: zZZz]
    #19408782 - 01/12/14 03:14 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

zZZz said:
could true enlightenment mean confronting suffering with the utmost conscience?.. i wonder





Do you mean conscience or consciousness? Either way though, in my opinion the answer would be no. No doubt it is a good practice to confront suffering with full awareness and full acceptance and this can lead to great peace amidst great suffering but in my understanding this is not the same as enlightenment because it's still in the realm of duality. There is you, confronting something else in a certain way. Enlightenment is going beyond duality, so there is no longer anyone that needs to confront suffering in any particular way after enlightenment, suffering just happens.

And maybe this is why enlightenment can be said to be the end of suffering. There is no longer anyone left to suffer. The body can still feel pain and the mind can still feel sadness but to the enlightened person, these things only appear as images in an ocean of bliss and they don't appear for anyone, so when you add the immense bliss of enlightenment combined with the fact that there is no one left to suffer, suffering ceases to exist or at least ceases to have any power.

Of course that's all just speculation because I am not enlightened yet. If I become enlightened I will let you know how it actually is.


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19409247 - 01/12/14 05:15 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

The path cannot be read/philosophized it can only be walked

it is possible to walk the path of the enlightened if you try your best to do the right thing always
the way is in the heart

enlightenment is probably never reached, life is learning

I used to know a few Christians who sailed on a ship, missionaries, to try and spread the message of God with gospel/worship songs on guitar etc.
they didnt have any problems, and their love radiated to everyone around them

if always trying ones best that is the best one can do

surrender, either to God, or to the divine in all
that is a pretty nice way to live without suffering, live in gods name i.e.
cant see how it would be possible to be unhappy then, unless the people around you are
but then you would try to make them happy

the choice is yours ultimately

I prefer to call it awakened

if you know truth, you must live the truth

but no textbook shall dictate my life,
I just follow the truth that I know, do what I love
maybe read the bible when I get old, because I realize there is a lot of truth in it...

100% in control of my own life, unhappiness is self created, that is being awake for me


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: lessismore]
    #19411321 - 01/13/14 05:53 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

mio said:
I used to know a few Christians who sailed on a ship, missionaries, to try and spread the message of God with gospel/worship songs on guitar etc.
they didnt have any problems




Excuse my skepticism.


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19411444 - 01/13/14 07:16 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

:lol:

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I long for an end to suffering, for true enlightenment and I know that no matter what I do, I will never find true rest until I reach that state.




So is 'true enlightenment' the end to suffering then?

To me the word itself refers to the light of Truth.

Enlightenment to me more involves entering into space with the demons and angels of Christianity.  Baphomet.  The function of deity if you can call them one/it.

To me that is awakening.  You are awakened to another level of reality.  You have become enlightened in a way.  One with the representatives of the teachings.  The spirits.

So as for rest...??  They have no need for sleep and they are not human.  This kind of enlightenment through the use of psychs and dare I say Jesus and Lucifer is exhausting because you become a host to an invasion of your perceived sovereignty.


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19411685 - 01/13/14 09:13 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

Sleepwalker said:
Quote:

mio said:
I used to know a few Christians who sailed on a ship, missionaries, to try and spread the message of God with gospel/worship songs on guitar etc.
they didnt have any problems




Excuse my skepticism.




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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19411914 - 01/13/14 10:50 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

I used to think I missed being able to watch crap on TV, but I really didn't, I just thought I did

Sitting in silence, disinterested in everything, I would think 'this is boring' but it wasn't, i just thought it was

Beyond these thoughts is Silence, which is never boring, as it's beyond time


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19412074 - 01/13/14 11:36 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

fookin concepts :heart:

grows with virtue:skillful, beneficial, wholesome, self-compassionate

suffering is a virtue
patience is a virtue
compassion/self-love is a virtue
acceptance is a virtue
equanimity is a virtue

no idea

Erase me



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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Sse]
    #19412503 - 01/13/14 01:41 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

"we need the mud to grow the lotus" - thich nhat hanh


Nature's way


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


Edited by Sse (01/13/14 02:46 PM)


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate] * 1
    #19413224 - 01/13/14 04:40 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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Deviate said:
I long for an end to suffering, for true enlightenment and I know that no matter what I do, I will never find true rest until I reach that state. But for now, there doesn't seem to be anything I can do but put up with the pain of being conscious and awake in a world I'd almost rather sleep through.




I think this longing for an end to all suffering is what creates the most suffering from my experience. YMMV


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: r72rock]
    #19414213 - 01/13/14 08:16 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Enlightenment is the realization that there is nothing to get worked up about and seeking enlightenment is getting all worked up about the need to realize there is nothing to get worked up about.


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19414332 - 01/13/14 08:37 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

"The little flower knew that in order to grow she had to be dropped in dirt, covered in darkness, and struggle to reach the light." -can't remember where this quote is from but I always remembered it because it relates to everyone's spiritual path.

I don't use the word enlightenment anymore. I used to, but then I became enlightened. Just kidding... I can't stand when someone says they're enlightened. Anyway.. I think everyone who tries to live more consciously is going to experience periods of extreme happiness but also times of sadness and pain. We can't unsee the things we've come to learn about humanity and the world and ourselves.

For me personally, I go through cycles I guess. Like I'll just kinda go into a semi-conscious state for a while, if you wanna call it that. Where I'll just not meditate at all, I eat junk food all the time, I don't exercise, etc... just basically not living up to what I know I can. And it saddens me since I know I can do much better

Then there are the better times, when I get back into meditation, eating healthy, exercising, ceasing or limiting pot usage which is otherwise sky high and makes me more contempt with being in shitty situations.

Right now I'm in one of my lazy, semi-conscious cycles. Work has just been fucking with me (nighshift) and my whole body is out of balance and I'm just kinda in a haze right now. I'll get out of it eventually tho and get on top of things.

I notice that when I stop smoking pot that I am more able to live in alignment with my goals and whatnot and everything falls into place. Not blaming pot. I'm just a weirdo


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Forest Sprite]
    #19414728 - 01/13/14 09:58 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Cycles of happiness and sadness is bipolar :wink:

no suffering with acceptance

too bad we have to learn acceptance over and over again all our lives

thought create suffering said Buddha

everything is what we think it is, think positively

acceptance and action (learn from mistakes)

btw I quit pot too long ago, I dont regret, dont want to go back, dont miss it
my mood got much better after quitting it, better in control of my thoughts/actions too
would never smoke everyday again, dont even like the taste anymore
I do what I love, and I didnt love smoking pot/cigs everyday ;-)


Edited by lessismore (01/13/14 10:11 PM)


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Forest Sprite]
    #19414931 - 01/13/14 10:41 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Forest Sprite said:
"The little flower knew that in order to grow she had to be dropped in dirt, covered in darkness, and struggle to reach the light." -can't remember where this quote is from but I always remembered it because it relates to everyone's spiritual path.

I don't use the word enlightenment anymore. I used to, but then I became enlightened. Just kidding... I can't stand when someone says they're enlightened. Anyway.. I think everyone who tries to live more consciously is going to experience periods of extreme happiness but also times of sadness and pain. We can't unsee the things we've come to learn about humanity and the world and ourselves.

For me personally, I go through cycles I guess. Like I'll just kinda go into a semi-conscious state for a while, if you wanna call it that. Where I'll just not meditate at all, I eat junk food all the time, I don't exercise, etc... just basically not living up to what I know I can. And it saddens me since I know I can do much better

Then there are the better times, when I get back into meditation, eating healthy, exercising, ceasing or limiting pot usage which is otherwise sky high and makes me more contempt with being in shitty situations.

Right now I'm in one of my lazy, semi-conscious cycles. Work has just been fucking with me (nighshift) and my whole body is out of balance and I'm just kinda in a haze right now. I'll get out of it eventually tho and get on top of things.

I notice that when I stop smoking pot that I am more able to live in alignment with my goals and whatnot and everything falls into place. Not blaming pot. I'm just a weirdo




For me it is the opposite, only by smoking pot am I able to live in allignment with my goals. I have evolved beyond the need for it now but it used to be that I just had no motivation to do my sadhana (spiritual practcie). It seemed like it would be years before I got any results and so rather than work hard for years with very little reward, I would constantly give into temptation and for an instant gratification type endeavor.

Now, when I would the cannabis bud all this would instantly change. Suddenly my attention would turn inward, on meself and instantly I would realize that seeking happiness, through the aquisition of things was useless. I would see that there was bliss (ananda) deep within me and sometimes while high on marijuana I would feel large amounts of bliss flowing through me. These experiences lead me to keep on seeking happiness within me even after sobering up from the marijuana plant. Of course I would often lose motivation again but then I would simply smoke more of the marijuana plant and then I would instantly get drawn within again. After a while I no longer needed the marijuana plant to focus inward. I find it sad and unfortunate that so few other marijuana users seem to experience this phenomenon.

What exactly do you do after you smoke your marijuana plant? Not only does this inward focusing I am speaking of lead to spiritual awakening but it also greatly improves the enjoyability of the high that can be obtained from the marijuana plant. States of pure ecstasy can be reached fairly easily when one knows how to meditate in conjunction with the effects of the marijuana plant. So if you truly want to enjoy your marijuana plant, I encourage you to learn how to focus your attention while you are stoned/high. In my opinion cannabis is the greatest drug to ever make an appearance on the face of the earth.


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19415036 - 01/13/14 11:00 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Oh don't get me wrong... pot has helped me so much in life. It has opened doors of perception for me. It opened the gateway to psychedelics, which have done even way more for me. I usually don't use pot how I feel I should use it.. that is, in moderation and with spiritual intent. I smoke all the time. I'm about to smoke now. I smoke in my car when I've driving places. I smoke at work. It's just not for me anymore... or I'm just not for it anymore. I just need to change my relationship with cannabis cuz it's basically instant gratification for me anymore and covers up my anxiety and whatnot.

It's great that it works for you. I just think I need to "hang up the phone" for a while so to speak, with pot. I've talked to others on the spiritual path who say the same thing. It is only gonna work with you for so long, until you abuse it, then it turns on you. I feel that's where I'm at. Even though I find comfort in smoking. overall, it isn't good for me spiritually anymore. It was. But I abuse(d) it. So things are different.


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19416202 - 01/14/14 07:29 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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r72rock said:
I think this longing for an end to all suffering is what creates the most suffering from my experience. YMMV




Yeah I agree. Acceptance of the situation and your feelings is key. If you can accept, then the unhappiness will dissolve and eventually become something better. 

Quote:

Deviate said:
But the downside is that conscious living means confronting all your faults and problems and all the unpleasant truths about life that you've been avoiding and facing them. I am finding this immensely painful and often I find myself missing the days before my awakening when I could simply flip on the TV and forget my problems by entering into a semi conscious trance in front of the tube.

I long for an end to suffering, for true enlightenment and I know that no matter what I do, I will never find true rest until I reach that state. But for now, there doesn't seem to be anything I can do but put up with the pain of being conscious and awake in a world I'd almost rather sleep through.




Next time you are feeling down, or fed up and in pain, just try observing yourself, your feelings and your thoughts.  Don't become them, just watch them. Accept them. See what happens. That is what it is to be truly present or truly "awake" imho. But I've never met anyone who is awake all the time. That is the game.


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The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.

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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Icelander]
    #19416499 - 01/14/14 09:39 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

I'm finding kanna and green tea to be excellent teachers and focus builders

they feel a bit nootropic to me... highly recommend for anyone... kanna has been amazing for me... plus for me it potentiates cannabis.. hardly need to vaporize much these days... itz awesome.

seems to have a reverse tolerance build... was more of a cleanout faze for me in the first week, watery stool, slight discomfort... but that soon went away. Now its nothing but beneficial and feels so healthy... lovin it... took some experimentation but finding my sweet spot.

"The Colorado media's roaring with daily headlines surrounding the progressive marijuana policy in our state. However, the tea plant, Camellia sinensis, has long been associated with mood and performance benefits, such as relaxation and concentration. Now, a timely study released in last month's issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, summarizes the effects of the tea leaf, and specifically its ingredients theanine and caffeine, on attention and mood enhancement (1). Theanine, which is only found naturally in the tea leaf, is a mental and physical relaxant that does not induce drowsiness and is used for treating anxiety and high blood pressure. Theobromine, also naturally occurring in tea, remains in the blood stream much longer than caffeine and is sometimes used as a mild antidepressant and aphrodisiac."
-the tea spot


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


Edited by Sse (01/14/14 09:41 AM)


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Sse]
    #19416745 - 01/14/14 10:36 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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Sse said:
fookin concepts :heart:

grows with virtue:skillful, beneficial, wholesome, self-compassionate

suffering is a virtue
patience is a virtue
compassion/self-love is a virtue
acceptance is a virtue
equanimity is a virtue





and combined- inter-be
the essence of them all = letting go/embracing; which are the same = skillful/wholesome/healing

"if I was a tear
I want to be born in your eyes
live on your cheeks
die on your lips"

you and me both are the same - essentially in your eyes; base nature
no judgement true equanimity abides contours
concept liberated as concept rises


ride theee snake!
-mothernaturesson  :smile:



no idea erase me


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


Edited by Sse (01/14/14 11:09 AM)


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Forest Sprite]
    #19417340 - 01/14/14 01:15 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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Oh don't get me wrong... pot has helped me so much in life. It has opened doors of perception for me. It opened the gateway to psychedelics, which have done even way more for me. I usually don't use pot how I feel I should use it.. that is, in moderation and with spiritual intent. I smoke all the time. I'm about to smoke now. I smoke in my car when I've driving places. I smoke at work. It's just not for me anymore... or I'm just not for it anymore. I just need to change my relationship with cannabis cuz it's basically instant gratification for me anymore and covers up my anxiety and whatnot.

It's great that it works for you. I just think I need to "hang up the phone" for a while so to speak, with pot. I've talked to others on the spiritual path who say the same thing. It is only gonna work with you for so long, until you abuse it, then it turns on you. I feel that's where I'm at. Even though I find comfort in smoking. overall, it isn't good for me spiritually anymore. It was. But I abuse(d) it. So things are different.




I had to hang up the phone with cannabis for 7 years. Well I probably didn't have to wait that long but thats how long I quit for before I found it useful again, after a tremendous amount of abuse. It's such a wonderful teacher, it's just a shame that it is so incredibly addictive. I can't tell you how many stories I have read which are similar to both yours and mine. I took something that had the potential to help me so much in life and just abused it all day every day when I was in college and it end up having a lot of negative effects on me then.


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19417367 - 01/14/14 01:22 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

the path of moderation

middle way

juuuuust right

not to lax not to tight

:thumbup:

kanna may be worth looking into or trying for anyone who uses cannabis regularly(or for anyone at all). has really enhanced the experience for me and I require much less, so much less... really positive effect overall from kanna.

"I have strong reason to believe that not all commercially available Sceletium tortuosum (seed or herb) is really that... it seems that other Mesembryamanthaceae are being passed off as S.tortuosum or S.expansum."

"Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna) has been  used by South African pastoralists and hunter-gatherers as a mood-altering natural herbal product since prehistoric times. The earliest written records of the use of the Kanna plant date back to 1662.

Sceletium was an item of barter in the time of Jan van Riebeck, and there is documentation of trade from the Castle in Cape Town, South Africa. The traditionally prepared dried sceletium was often chewed as a quid after fermenting it, but it has also been made into teas and tinctures. Less commonly, it has been reported that Sceletium tortuosum used to be inhaled as a snuff, or smoked with the addition of other herbs.

Kanna effects include the elevation of mood and a decrease in anxiety, stress and tension, and it has also been used as an appetite suppressant by shepherds walking long distances in arid areas. In large doses it can cause bring feelings of a pleasant repose that lasts a surprisingly long time. One report talks of how it's a favorite way of helping fight social shyness while bringing about jovial feelings.

Long-term use in the local context followed by abstinence has not been reported to result in a withdrawal state or addiction. The plant is not hallucinogenic, and no severe adverse effects have ever been documented."

has a bit of a build up effect before the beauty of it begins to become pronounced.


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


Edited by Sse (01/14/14 03:56 PM)


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19424738 - 01/15/14 08:35 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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Deviate said:
So I have recently gone through a spiritual awakening of sorts. Not enlightenment, I am still very far from enlightened but I am spiritually awake now, I am no longer going through life in a semi conscious trance like most people, just a consumer of entertainment in my spare time.

You'd think this would be a good thing and in many ways it is a good thing. I feel much more alive now, much more present and the world appears much more beautiful. But the downside is that conscious living means confronting all your faults and problems and all the unpleasant truths about life that you've been avoiding and facing them. I am finding this immensely painful and often I find myself missing the days before my awakening when I could simply flip on the TV and forget my problems by entering into a semi conscious trance in front of the tube.

I long for an end to suffering, for true enlightenment and I know that no matter what I do, I will never find true rest until I reach that state. But for now, there doesn't seem to be anything I can do but put up with the pain of being conscious and awake in a world I'd almost rather sleep through.




Deviate, I can relate to this exactly. Confronting all the painful stuff is very hard, but it appears to be the only way to erase the bad karma of habitual aversion to certain things. At the same time, though, confronting the bad neutralizes it, while also neutralizing the good that lies opposite it, so the extremes become less extreme. Relatively, my life feels devoid of contrast and plainly ordinary after being on this path for years.

BTW, insights from mj were the catalyst for me too!


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Chronic7]
    #19424744 - 01/15/14 08:36 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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The Chronic said:
I used to think I missed being able to watch crap on TV, but I really didn't, I just thought I did

Sitting in silence, disinterested in everything, I would think 'this is boring' but it wasn't, i just thought it was

Beyond these thoughts is Silence, which is never boring, as it's beyond time




Nice response!


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: nobody2]
    #19424783 - 01/15/14 08:40 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

more nature
then meditation without anything will feel natural
anything you add afterwards is your choice, cannabis can have benefits of introspection, many people use it in India etc.

but you can get there naturally too, that is important to remember
trying both ways is a good idea, then one can chose
cannabis takes a long time to leave the body/brain if smoking everyday, so it will take a long time to be able to meditate without its influence

I know several people who started meditating due to cannabis, but also some who had lots of personal issues from it (the same people)
it basically dissolves the psyche a bit often it seems, which can take years to rebuild

when I first had an awakening experience I took daily walks in nature and meditated, no problems there
the lessons were not always pleasant, but I realized it was for a purpose, no coincidences

peace :-) , thats important, and is in my opinion possible without weed maybe even easier, less thoughts often, weed would mess up my thoughts a little / give weird thoughts sometimes that often lasted for a while
but it affects each person differently, just dont underestimate it, it can control you or help you


Edited by lessismore (01/15/14 09:02 PM)


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: lessismore]
    #19424892 - 01/15/14 09:01 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Right. Forming a dependence on cannabis (or anything else) has consequences, but there's a time and a place for everything, eh?


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: nobody2]
    #19424939 - 01/15/14 09:11 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

dependent on nature and meditation is a more enjoyable dependency than cannabis for me

before that I needed 5 joints to take a walk, 1 joint to shit, 1 joint in the morning, 1 joint before school and one after

etc.

body/mind feels pretty good when I dont add anything to it, especially when walking in nature
it is like getting reborn everytime I take a walk in nature, dont even have to do anything

same with meditation, no expectations, I do when it feels right
lucid dreaming feels amazing too, and weed would make me unable to do that, no dreaming


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