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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19415036 - 01/13/14 11:00 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Oh don't get me wrong... pot has helped me so much in life. It has opened doors of perception for me. It opened the gateway to psychedelics, which have done even way more for me. I usually don't use pot how I feel I should use it.. that is, in moderation and with spiritual intent. I smoke all the time. I'm about to smoke now. I smoke in my car when I've driving places. I smoke at work. It's just not for me anymore... or I'm just not for it anymore. I just need to change my relationship with cannabis cuz it's basically instant gratification for me anymore and covers up my anxiety and whatnot.

It's great that it works for you. I just think I need to "hang up the phone" for a while so to speak, with pot. I've talked to others on the spiritual path who say the same thing. It is only gonna work with you for so long, until you abuse it, then it turns on you. I feel that's where I'm at. Even though I find comfort in smoking. overall, it isn't good for me spiritually anymore. It was. But I abuse(d) it. So things are different.


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19416202 - 01/14/14 07:29 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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r72rock said:
I think this longing for an end to all suffering is what creates the most suffering from my experience. YMMV




Yeah I agree. Acceptance of the situation and your feelings is key. If you can accept, then the unhappiness will dissolve and eventually become something better. 

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Deviate said:
But the downside is that conscious living means confronting all your faults and problems and all the unpleasant truths about life that you've been avoiding and facing them. I am finding this immensely painful and often I find myself missing the days before my awakening when I could simply flip on the TV and forget my problems by entering into a semi conscious trance in front of the tube.

I long for an end to suffering, for true enlightenment and I know that no matter what I do, I will never find true rest until I reach that state. But for now, there doesn't seem to be anything I can do but put up with the pain of being conscious and awake in a world I'd almost rather sleep through.




Next time you are feeling down, or fed up and in pain, just try observing yourself, your feelings and your thoughts.  Don't become them, just watch them. Accept them. See what happens. That is what it is to be truly present or truly "awake" imho. But I've never met anyone who is awake all the time. That is the game.


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.

~ Rumi



The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Icelander]
    #19416499 - 01/14/14 09:39 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

I'm finding kanna and green tea to be excellent teachers and focus builders

they feel a bit nootropic to me... highly recommend for anyone... kanna has been amazing for me... plus for me it potentiates cannabis.. hardly need to vaporize much these days... itz awesome.

seems to have a reverse tolerance build... was more of a cleanout faze for me in the first week, watery stool, slight discomfort... but that soon went away. Now its nothing but beneficial and feels so healthy... lovin it... took some experimentation but finding my sweet spot.

"The Colorado media's roaring with daily headlines surrounding the progressive marijuana policy in our state. However, the tea plant, Camellia sinensis, has long been associated with mood and performance benefits, such as relaxation and concentration. Now, a timely study released in last month's issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, summarizes the effects of the tea leaf, and specifically its ingredients theanine and caffeine, on attention and mood enhancement (1). Theanine, which is only found naturally in the tea leaf, is a mental and physical relaxant that does not induce drowsiness and is used for treating anxiety and high blood pressure. Theobromine, also naturally occurring in tea, remains in the blood stream much longer than caffeine and is sometimes used as a mild antidepressant and aphrodisiac."
-the tea spot


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


Edited by Sse (01/14/14 09:41 AM)


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Sse]
    #19416745 - 01/14/14 10:36 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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Sse said:
fookin concepts :heart:

grows with virtue:skillful, beneficial, wholesome, self-compassionate

suffering is a virtue
patience is a virtue
compassion/self-love is a virtue
acceptance is a virtue
equanimity is a virtue





and combined- inter-be
the essence of them all = letting go/embracing; which are the same = skillful/wholesome/healing

"if I was a tear
I want to be born in your eyes
live on your cheeks
die on your lips"

you and me both are the same - essentially in your eyes; base nature
no judgement true equanimity abides contours
concept liberated as concept rises


ride theee snake!
-mothernaturesson  :smile:



no idea erase me


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
instant
"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


Edited by Sse (01/14/14 11:09 AM)


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Forest Sprite]
    #19417340 - 01/14/14 01:15 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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Forest Sprite said:
Oh don't get me wrong... pot has helped me so much in life. It has opened doors of perception for me. It opened the gateway to psychedelics, which have done even way more for me. I usually don't use pot how I feel I should use it.. that is, in moderation and with spiritual intent. I smoke all the time. I'm about to smoke now. I smoke in my car when I've driving places. I smoke at work. It's just not for me anymore... or I'm just not for it anymore. I just need to change my relationship with cannabis cuz it's basically instant gratification for me anymore and covers up my anxiety and whatnot.

It's great that it works for you. I just think I need to "hang up the phone" for a while so to speak, with pot. I've talked to others on the spiritual path who say the same thing. It is only gonna work with you for so long, until you abuse it, then it turns on you. I feel that's where I'm at. Even though I find comfort in smoking. overall, it isn't good for me spiritually anymore. It was. But I abuse(d) it. So things are different.




I had to hang up the phone with cannabis for 7 years. Well I probably didn't have to wait that long but thats how long I quit for before I found it useful again, after a tremendous amount of abuse. It's such a wonderful teacher, it's just a shame that it is so incredibly addictive. I can't tell you how many stories I have read which are similar to both yours and mine. I took something that had the potential to help me so much in life and just abused it all day every day when I was in college and it end up having a lot of negative effects on me then.


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19417367 - 01/14/14 01:22 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

the path of moderation

middle way

juuuuust right

not to lax not to tight

:thumbup:

kanna may be worth looking into or trying for anyone who uses cannabis regularly(or for anyone at all). has really enhanced the experience for me and I require much less, so much less... really positive effect overall from kanna.

"I have strong reason to believe that not all commercially available Sceletium tortuosum (seed or herb) is really that... it seems that other Mesembryamanthaceae are being passed off as S.tortuosum or S.expansum."

"Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna) has been  used by South African pastoralists and hunter-gatherers as a mood-altering natural herbal product since prehistoric times. The earliest written records of the use of the Kanna plant date back to 1662.

Sceletium was an item of barter in the time of Jan van Riebeck, and there is documentation of trade from the Castle in Cape Town, South Africa. The traditionally prepared dried sceletium was often chewed as a quid after fermenting it, but it has also been made into teas and tinctures. Less commonly, it has been reported that Sceletium tortuosum used to be inhaled as a snuff, or smoked with the addition of other herbs.

Kanna effects include the elevation of mood and a decrease in anxiety, stress and tension, and it has also been used as an appetite suppressant by shepherds walking long distances in arid areas. In large doses it can cause bring feelings of a pleasant repose that lasts a surprisingly long time. One report talks of how it's a favorite way of helping fight social shyness while bringing about jovial feelings.

Long-term use in the local context followed by abstinence has not been reported to result in a withdrawal state or addiction. The plant is not hallucinogenic, and no severe adverse effects have ever been documented."

has a bit of a build up effect before the beauty of it begins to become pronounced.


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
instant
"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


Edited by Sse (01/14/14 03:56 PM)


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Deviate]
    #19424738 - 01/15/14 08:35 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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Deviate said:
So I have recently gone through a spiritual awakening of sorts. Not enlightenment, I am still very far from enlightened but I am spiritually awake now, I am no longer going through life in a semi conscious trance like most people, just a consumer of entertainment in my spare time.

You'd think this would be a good thing and in many ways it is a good thing. I feel much more alive now, much more present and the world appears much more beautiful. But the downside is that conscious living means confronting all your faults and problems and all the unpleasant truths about life that you've been avoiding and facing them. I am finding this immensely painful and often I find myself missing the days before my awakening when I could simply flip on the TV and forget my problems by entering into a semi conscious trance in front of the tube.

I long for an end to suffering, for true enlightenment and I know that no matter what I do, I will never find true rest until I reach that state. But for now, there doesn't seem to be anything I can do but put up with the pain of being conscious and awake in a world I'd almost rather sleep through.




Deviate, I can relate to this exactly. Confronting all the painful stuff is very hard, but it appears to be the only way to erase the bad karma of habitual aversion to certain things. At the same time, though, confronting the bad neutralizes it, while also neutralizing the good that lies opposite it, so the extremes become less extreme. Relatively, my life feels devoid of contrast and plainly ordinary after being on this path for years.

BTW, insights from mj were the catalyst for me too!


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: Chronic7]
    #19424744 - 01/15/14 08:36 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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The Chronic said:
I used to think I missed being able to watch crap on TV, but I really didn't, I just thought I did

Sitting in silence, disinterested in everything, I would think 'this is boring' but it wasn't, i just thought it was

Beyond these thoughts is Silence, which is never boring, as it's beyond time




Nice response!


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: nobody2]
    #19424783 - 01/15/14 08:40 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

more nature
then meditation without anything will feel natural
anything you add afterwards is your choice, cannabis can have benefits of introspection, many people use it in India etc.

but you can get there naturally too, that is important to remember
trying both ways is a good idea, then one can chose
cannabis takes a long time to leave the body/brain if smoking everyday, so it will take a long time to be able to meditate without its influence

I know several people who started meditating due to cannabis, but also some who had lots of personal issues from it (the same people)
it basically dissolves the psyche a bit often it seems, which can take years to rebuild

when I first had an awakening experience I took daily walks in nature and meditated, no problems there
the lessons were not always pleasant, but I realized it was for a purpose, no coincidences

peace :-) , thats important, and is in my opinion possible without weed maybe even easier, less thoughts often, weed would mess up my thoughts a little / give weird thoughts sometimes that often lasted for a while
but it affects each person differently, just dont underestimate it, it can control you or help you


Edited by lessismore (01/15/14 09:02 PM)


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: lessismore]
    #19424892 - 01/15/14 09:01 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Right. Forming a dependence on cannabis (or anything else) has consequences, but there's a time and a place for everything, eh?


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Re: The joy and the pain of living consciously [Re: nobody2]
    #19424939 - 01/15/14 09:11 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

dependent on nature and meditation is a more enjoyable dependency than cannabis for me

before that I needed 5 joints to take a walk, 1 joint to shit, 1 joint in the morning, 1 joint before school and one after

etc.

body/mind feels pretty good when I dont add anything to it, especially when walking in nature
it is like getting reborn everytime I take a walk in nature, dont even have to do anything

same with meditation, no expectations, I do when it feels right
lucid dreaming feels amazing too, and weed would make me unable to do that, no dreaming


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