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Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers
    #19408150 - 01/12/14 12:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hello everyone,

                I am looking for easy ways to test isolates. I have recently browsed through all of these (Grow Huge Magic Mushrooms) websites that sell kits. It seems that most of the kits are just inoculated trays put into spawn bags, (no FC, like SGFC or Mono). So if these work well for fruiting shrooms in, (meaning proper FAE) then why not easily test different isolates in these spawn bags?


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
    #19408163 - 01/12/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I used this method for a while. I think it works, I just used smaller bags. You really have to dial in your fae / humidity though.


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
    #19408166 - 01/12/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They don't work that well. Spawn bags are considered invitro.

The easiest way to test a culture is to do a cake or small tray.


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
    #19408167 - 01/12/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

who said they work well lol


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
    #19408178 - 01/12/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why not test isolates with bags you make yourself or small PF cakes :shrug:

Sure it will work but your testing your isolate out in in-vitro settings and then you're growing out your isolate in a SGFC or a monotub or something else. I would try to keep as many variables the same when testing out an isolate so you know how it will perform in the situation you want to use it in.

You're not going to find out much about your isolate if it's going to perform shitty no matter what. Are you just making sure they fruit because chances are they will. It's pretty damn rare to run into a non fruiting strain.


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19408207 - 01/12/14 12:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I liked the idea because the phenotypes that I'm testing I don't want to waste room in my GH's and other FC, I like them to be filled with proven high yielding isolates. So It's really just a matter of space.


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
    #19408218 - 01/12/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you want a proper test, you're gonna need proper conditions. Test them where you're gonna fruit them. Invitro results will tell you almost nothing.

If space is the big issue, just test 1 tub or tray or cake or whatever at a time.


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
    #19408248 - 01/12/14 12:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Really it's just about convenience, it's so easy just to throw a tray in a bag. Using cakes to test iso's, I'd have to make a culture syringe, and a fruiting chamber. It just seems to me, that if I tested 10 iso's in 10 spawn bags, and one of them seems to be fruiting like a MOFO in that bitch, no matter what, I got myself a good fruiting iso!


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: fatchillin]
    #19408274 - 01/12/14 01:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I used this method for a while. I think it works, I just used smaller bags. You really have to dial in your fae / humidity though.



How the hell do you dial in the FAE in a spawn bag? Put an Oscillating fan in the room? poke holes just above the substrate in the bag? How about a spawn bag for fruiting with 2 filter patches, invention?

And really, I don't need them to work that well for harvesting large amounts of mushrooms, I realize it's not optimal conditions, I just need them to work well for visually determining that this one is better than that one,ya know, identifying prolific iso's. I just need to SEE if one dose better than the other. It's for testing isolates, not yielding fruits.

Can anyone speak from experience of doing this? How many flushes? Dry substrate weight to dry harvest rate compared to same iso in a proper fruiting chamber?

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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
    #19408406 - 01/12/14 01:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's only gonna find you a good invitro strain. You need to test each iso in your final environment to get the best results. Don't be lazy and possibly throw away an awesome culture cause it didn't like invitro growing.


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19408416 - 01/12/14 01:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You can use filter patch bags as small fruiting chambers by cutting a slit or two up the sides when it comes time to fruit.  This allows for extra air exchange and misting.
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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19408431 - 01/12/14 01:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That's only gonna find you a good invitro strain. You need to test each iso in your final environment to get the best results. Don't be lazy and possibly throw away an awesome culture cause it didn't like invitro growing.




When you say (That's only gonna find you a good invitro strain) you are basically saying ( It's gonna find you a co2 tolerant strain) and tell me, what's wrong with that? Are you saying that mushrooms that fruit well in high co2 environments, won't fruit well in fresh air environments?


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
    #19408453 - 01/12/14 01:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That's only gonna find you a good invitro strain. You need to test each iso in your final environment to get the best results. Don't be lazy and possibly throw away an awesome culture cause it didn't like invitro growing.




When you say (That's only gonna find you a good invitro strain) you are basically saying ( It's gonna find you a co2 tolerant strain) and tell me, what's wrong with that? Are you saying that mushrooms that fruit well in high co2 environments, won't fruit well in fresh air environments?




You only know till you try. there's more than just those variables. Say you had a CO2 intolerant strain that did shit in the bags but if you would have given it to a bulk substrate in a GHFC or a monotub it would explode.


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19408481 - 01/12/14 01:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That's only gonna find you a good invitro strain. You need to test each iso in your final environment to get the best results. Don't be lazy and possibly throw away an awesome culture cause it didn't like invitro growing.




When you say (That's only gonna find you a good invitro strain) you are basically saying ( It's gonna find you a co2 tolerant strain) and tell me, what's wrong with that? Are you saying that mushrooms that fruit well in high co2 environments, won't fruit well in fresh air environments?




You only know till you try. there's more than just those variables. Say you had a CO2 intolerant strain that did shit in the bags but if you would have given it to a bulk substrate in a GHFC or a monotub it would explode.



True.

Even so, I don't want a co2 intolerant strain. Why would I?
I would rather have a strain that will explode no matter what the conditions are. So why waste my time playing with co2 intolerant strains when I'm sure I can find one that will do everything I want it to. What would be the advantage of having a co2 intolerant strain?


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
    #19408510 - 01/12/14 02:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do as you wish, Developed methods were contrived for a reason there's way more variables than CO2 RH FAE Light Substrate Size of container etc.., do what works for you :shrug:


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19408522 - 01/12/14 02:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you want a proper test, you're gonna need proper conditions. Test them where you're gonna fruit them. Invitro results will tell you almost nothing.

If space is the big issue, just test 1 tub or tray or cake or whatever at a time.



this, cakes are your best bet for iso testing


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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19408535 - 01/12/14 02:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Do as you wish, Developed methods were contrived for a reason there's way more variables than CO2 RH FAE Light Substrate Size of container etc.., do what works for you :shrug:




I get it, but, let's keep developing, let's keep GROWING! literally & figuratively. I don't see the point anymore in talking about what works, let's talk about what could work.
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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
    #19408680 - 01/12/14 02:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Do as you wish, Developed methods were contrived for a reason there's way more variables than CO2 RH FAE Light Substrate Size of container etc.., do what works for you :shrug:




I get it. Let's keep developing, let's keep GROWING!

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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: Hashbuble]
    #19409215 - 01/12/14 05:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I get it, but, let's keep developing, let's keep GROWING! literally & figuratively. I don't see the point anymore in talking about what works, let's talk about what could work.
:thumbup::thumbup:




The thing is that if you read long enough, these tests have already been done, and are part of why we do what we do. You have no need to try to innovate until you have a full understanding of not ust mushrooms, but higher fungi in general.

Test it where you're gonna fruit it.


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

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Re: Using Airflow Spawn bags as fruiting chambers [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19409251 - 01/12/14 05:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Hashbuble said:
I get it, but, let's keep developing, let's keep GROWING! literally & figuratively. I don't see the point anymore in talking about what works, let's talk about what could work.
:thumbup::thumbup:




The thing is that if you read long enough, these tests have already been done, and are part of why we do what we do. You have no need to try to innovate until you have a full understanding of not ust mushrooms, but higher fungi in general.

Test it where you're gonna fruit it.



Why can't I do both?

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