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Re: You're level of DA [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19407589 - 01/12/14 09:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think we all fear death here. If it weren't for fear, I highly doubt we'd be alive today. DA prolongs the inevitable..

On a related subject. All anxiety is taught, if you have anxiety I'd bet it's because of your parents overwhelming anxiety. We were all taught to stay alive from our parents. We all have DA.

My level of DA is pretty high now that I have others I care for. If i lived only for myself my DA would be a lot lower.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19407666 - 01/12/14 10:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
Assuming you believe DA exists.

I think your personal levels or experiences of DA are mostly set by your early childhood experiences, as in did you feel secure in your family, were you nurtured well and anxieties placated. 

In other words if you were abused or neglected your DA will be higher due to the fact that the world will seem much more threatening.

What say you?




I guess so. I feel like I felt physically secure in childhood but still have plenty of DA.

Do you feel like doing the opposite and shielding a child from the harsh realities of life and deceiving it with cosy illusions, giving it a permanently comfy environment with defined barriers and taboos would reduce death anxiety? At the same time it may be nearly as bad. That's what my childhood was like and I'm a mess.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander] * 4
    #19407723 - 01/12/14 10:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I find that my levels of DA exponentially decrease by a power of 42 when I stop talking about my levels of DA.


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Re: You're level of DA [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19407764 - 01/12/14 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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DA?!




I'm the DA.  I'm the one prosecuting your case.

Ouch.




ha - that's the first acronym I associated with DA upon reading...


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19407822 - 01/12/14 10:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Penelope_Tree said:
I find that my levels of DA exponentially decrease by a power of 42 when I stop talking about my levels of DA.




I don't find that at all. I think my DA, or at least it's outward symptoms, have substantially lessened since awhile after I started becoming aware of it.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19407841 - 01/12/14 10:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Penelope_Tree said:
I find that my levels of DA exponentially decrease by a power of 42 when I stop talking about my levels of DA.




:yesnod:

Yup, same here.  Ignorance is bliss.  :bliss:


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19407848 - 01/12/14 10:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've been relieved of allot of DA by way of the psychedelic spiritual death experience itself.

And by being desensitized by emotional trauma at the hands of what calls itself Baphomet.

I tried to will my own death and cross over or blink out routinely but it never happened.

I told the puppet masters that if they wanted to they could kill me and they tried.

But I kept seeing white light and all I could feel was eventual release from a hellish state.

So I have little anxiety anymore.  If anything I have come to the realization that I will be immersed in peace at the time of death.  (?)


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19407869 - 01/12/14 11:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno I find it surprisingly hard to gauge, even behaviorally speaking.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: jimiandtheshroom27]
    #19408203 - 01/12/14 12:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In other words if you were abused or neglected your DA will be higher due to the fact that the world will seem much more threatening.



I get what you mean, and that is a real possibility. But i wonder is it also not possible that negative experiences in childhood could actually lower your anxiety about death? Suppose experience in childhood shapes you to be anxious and depressed. Doesn't death seem more welcoming from such a perspective? Don't happy people have more to lose?





Might depend on the nature of the experience.  Wanting to be dead does not necessarily lower DA.  If it did there were be a lot more suicides imo. A fuck of a lot more.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19408204 - 01/12/14 12:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
Assuming you believe DA exists.

I think your personal levels or experiences of DA are mostly set by your early childhood experiences, as in did you feel secure in your family, were you nurtured well and anxieties placated. 

In other words if you were abused or neglected your DA will be higher due to the fact that the world will seem much more threatening.

What say you?




Is it the DA that varies or the ability to deal with and handle such anxieties?
I imagine a poorer childhood would be decreasing the latter and the likelihood of healthy defenses rather than having an increase of death anxiety in any literal sense.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19408210 - 01/12/14 12:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Penelope_Tree said:
I find that my levels of DA exponentially decrease by a power of 42 when I stop talking about my levels of DA.





Becker ftw. :thumbup:


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19408259 - 01/12/14 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Reasoning behind a fear or death is as logical as fearing the sunrise.. it will happen, you cannot do too much about it. Being fearless is not the equal to being careless, still, fear of the inevitable is pure idiocy.. it only adds to one's suffering.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19408290 - 01/12/14 01:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wanting to be dead does not necessarily lower DA.



Good point.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icyus]
    #19408300 - 01/12/14 01:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

DA is both logical and illogical and has nothing to do with whether it is felt.  Unless you're going to make a case for a totally logical human. :braindamage:  And as much DA is unconscious or subconscious most don't even know when they are feeling it and exhibiting it .  At least according to Becker and the TMT folk. They make a really compelling case and most here have now accepted the reality of it.  Try reading Beckers "Denial of Death" or google Terror Management Theory and do some reading.  See if you don't agree.

It's so easy to claim no fear of death when it's not staring you in the face.  This is just one tiny way people bs themselves.


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Re: You're level of DA [Re: Icelander]
    #19408326 - 01/12/14 01:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My mind has been mostly consumed by death anxiety for as long as I can remember, the past year has been less so but I don't really view that as a good thing. Better to be aware of my impending demise and ready to take it all in perspective


As far as childhood, took a lot of beatings as a child, was routinely starved for days or weeks at a time, wasn't allowed outside and would be severely beaten for going out when I did, had a big family and all of them except for one sister were a bunch of evil pricks. Did most of the cleaning at home (which would often consume my day as much as work does now) in between beatings and/or shit talk. Have some fond memories of being dragged out of bed by my hair and thrown into the bathtub where I would be beaten with a thick leather belt studded with metal balls.

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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Icyus]
    #19408372 - 01/12/14 01:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icyus said:
Reasoning behind a fear or death is as logical as fearing the sunrise.. it will happen, you cannot do too much about it. Being fearless is not the equal to being careless, still, fear of the inevitable is pure idiocy.. it only adds to one's suffering.




What will you think of this statement when you're bleeding out on the pavement? One has to be very sheltered to think they're beyond death anxiety, sheltered and distracted.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19408395 - 01/12/14 01:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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FishOilTheKid said:
I've been relieved of allot of DA by way of the psychedelic spiritual death experience itself.

And by being desensitized by emotional trauma at the hands of what calls itself Baphomet.

I tried to will my own death and cross over or blink out routinely but it never happened.

I told the puppet masters that if they wanted to they could kill me and they tried.

But I kept seeing white light and all I could feel was eventual release from a hellish state.

So I have little anxiety anymore.  If anything I have come to the realization that I will be immersed in peace at the time of death.  (?)






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Re: Your level of DA [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19408425 - 01/12/14 01:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Reasoning behind a fear or death is as logical as fearing the sunrise.. it will happen, you cannot do too much about it. Being fearless is not the equal to being careless, still, fear of the inevitable is pure idiocy.. it only adds to one's suffering.




What will you think of this statement when you're bleeding out on the pavement? One has to be very sheltered to think they're beyond death anxiety, sheltered and distracted.



I think what you are saying is that faced with immanent violence and death you would expect a subject to be anxious; and that is a healthy conjecture.

I would agree, this makes sense.

it does not suggest that the subject - through his or her life - was anticipating this conjectured immanent issue, and therefore always held onto the anxiety.


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Re: You're level of DA [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19408433 - 01/12/14 01:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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My mind has been mostly consumed by death anxiety for as long as I can remember, the past year has been less so but I don't really view that as a good thing. Better to be aware of my impending demise and ready to take it all in perspective


As far as childhood, took a lot of beatings as a child, was routinely starved for days or weeks at a time, wasn't allowed outside and would be severely beaten for going out when I did, had a big family and all of them except for one sister were a bunch of evil pricks. Did most of the cleaning at home (which would often consume my day as much as work does now) in between beatings and/or shit talk. Have some fond memories of being dragged out of bed by my hair and thrown into the bathtub where I would be beaten with a thick leather belt studded with metal balls.

:fonz:



Thanks for sharing, it takes courage to do so. :peace:

At least it does for me, being a case for Freud and having been semi-bullied.


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Re: Your level of DA [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19408434 - 01/12/14 01:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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it does not suggest that the subject - through his or her life - was anticipating this conjectured immanent issue, and therefore always held onto the anxiety.




Either way its engrained in their subconscious and has kept them alive long enough to be of eligible age to register on these forums. The situation above isn't when they will experience death anxiety but when they realize that they've only been ignoring it


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