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NecroMyce
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Slow colonization
#19407577 - 01/12/14 09:53 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Okay so i bought a 4pack of MS from a sponsor. And they threw in a free bonus syringe: Chitwan.
The pictures above are from a post i posted a while back wondering why, when i injected these jars, its if the black spores inside the syringe you can usually see got squirted out and against the jar. Which is logical to, to me atleast. But i posted about it to see if anyone else has had that happen. And a member messaged me and said sponsors might be selling LC syringes instead of MS? idk if thats true but i had growth in 3 days.
Here is the post http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19300617
Yet as of today it is 1/12/14 and i knocked this guy up almost a month ago. on 12/17/13. And some nice growth colonized within a week or two to about 10-20% and then it stalled. It was still growing but not nearly as fast.
Here are some pictures now at 1/12/14

I shook them up in hopes of a wake up call and a little speed boost. and they are colonizing cuz last time i checked them was when i shook them and this is the results within 2-6days after the shake, not exactly sure....
is there a reason its taking so long or so much slower than the other cubes? ive read around and only found that these guys could be more potent, nothing about slow growth.
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: NecroMyce]
#19407634 - 01/12/14 10:07 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Did you inoculate with a MS syringe and then shake immediately after?
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NecroMyce
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I used MS yes. So i know that could be a reason for slow growth, yet not this slow. IME. But I usually wait til 15%-30% colonized to shake. I shook them last monday now that i can remember. And this is what they look like as of 1 hour ago.
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: NecroMyce]
#19407641 - 01/12/14 10:10 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Ok, I thought maybe you shook them immediately after the inoculation. That can cause a slow start.
I guess nothing to do now but wait and see if they turn out!
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NecroMyce
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Well the myce looks nice a bright so im sure they'll be fine. If anything itll be more rewarding in the end I've read that slower colonization usually brings meaty fruits. Where as fast colonization usually brings smaller/clustered fruits. Not necessarily more yield for faster/slower growth, just size wise.
I read somewhere that suggested a 8hr cold shock since these Nepal Chitwans are put through similar weather, but i dont know man. haha. im still trying to find proper information on the strain.
Edited by NecroMyce (01/12/14 10:14 AM)
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: NecroMyce]
#19407662 - 01/12/14 10:16 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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CaspuuuR said: Well the myce looks nice a bright so im sure they'll be fine. If anything itll be more rewarding in the end I've read that slower colonization usually brings meaty fruits. Where as fast colonization usually brings smaller/clustered fruits. Not necessarily more yield for faster/slower growth, just size wise.
I read somewhere that suggested a 8hr cold shock since these Nepal Chitwans are put through similar weather, but i dont know man. haha. im still trying to find proper information on the strain.
The cold shock is way outdated, and what applies to one variety of cube generally applies to all of them. Cubes don't benefit from cold shocking.
Slow colonizing and fast colonizing doesn't indicate anything about the fruits, though (arguably) slow fruiters are a little more potent.
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NecroMyce
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Hmmm I guess ill have to do some research, figure if its gonna take a while, might as well make the best of it, casing and all. Then i guess ima have to clone these suckers too! haha
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: NecroMyce]
#19407692 - 01/12/14 10:21 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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If it took a month to see growth on your grains, I would not presume that anything productive is going to come from it, and certainly nothing worth cloning. But good luck!
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i wouldn't g2g that either
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: cronicr]
#19407731 - 01/12/14 10:31 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I think you misunderstood guys.
I knocked the bad boys up on 12/17/13. And by 12/21 i already was 5-15% colonization. The jars came along in growth steady the whole time, It didn't "stall" like i said up top, i meant to say it was so slow it felt like a stall in growth. So about 5 days ago(1/5/14) i shook them up real good, and then the pictures with the most growth in them are where it is today. and still slowing moving along. Sorry for the confusion.
Edited by NecroMyce (01/12/14 10:33 AM)
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: NecroMyce]
#19407739 - 01/12/14 10:33 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Either way, if that's all the growth after 4 weeks in the jar, it's probably not going to do much for you. I'd start prepping new jars while you wait this out and see if it fruits.
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NecroMyce
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Well that reminds me now too that you mention it. I forgot to put a date on these PE jars because i didnt know if they would spawn or not. But knocked up two PE jars along with my Albino A+ jars a while back on 11/15/13.
My albino A+ log is in my sig. Knocked up 11/15/13 did G2G 11/25/13 and spawned 1/3/14.
My PE jars were knocked up 11/15/13 as well. Today is 1/12/14 and im about to do G2G with them. They came along slowly as well but look fully colonized and had slow growth at first but once they had big clusters of myce when i would shake them at like 50% or 80% they jumped within days like normal jars..
And also look over my log of my last PE grow(the above sentence is a whole new batch of jars from the same MS but not from the log in my sig.
My last grow of PE was knocked up 10/20, spawned 12/5 and cased 12/17, and didnt see pins til 12/28. And that seems like how this other PE jars are going. I got 3oz dry off my first PE grow. Even though it took 2months total from beginning to end and i got a contam in my tub and only got 1/2 my first flush. But i will say, these Chitwans are going a lot slower.
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: NecroMyce]
#19407808 - 01/12/14 10:50 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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once you dip into agar these issues will fade away i like your logs ther well written
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: cronicr]
#19407844 - 01/12/14 10:58 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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That 3rd pic you posted, the grain that's kind of on top by itself looks bacterial. How do they smell? You should be able to shake it and smell through your filter.
Either way, anything running that slow isn't worth using.
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19409763 - 01/12/14 07:21 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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why is it not worth using?
ps. there is some weird film on the outside of the jars thats from hard water in the PC.
Edited by NecroMyce (01/12/14 07:22 PM)
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: NecroMyce]
#19409803 - 01/12/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Yeah if you use a little Vinergar in the water when you PC it wil prevent the film from forming. Also, I agree with everyone else here, If you actually get fruits they probably wont be worth it in the long run. BTW did you say MS PE? That is always a crap shoot I guess. MS is so tricky. I personally have had problems like this with Rye Berries also. Every one's going to stone me for saying that, but I have had way better results with WBS, Rye Grass Seed, and my favorite Plain Milo.
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: Sockadin]
#19409862 - 01/12/14 07:48 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Sockadin said: I personally have had problems like this with Rye Berries also..
Cool it works for you, after trying out rye I will never go back to WBS or grass seed, I love the consistency of rye even if it costs me more per pound.
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: Sockadin]
#19409864 - 01/12/14 07:49 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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if it's slow it's not worth it, were always looking for the fastest growth for best results, the faster things colonize the ower the contam %
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: cronicr]
#19409896 - 01/12/14 07:56 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Also, did you do a different batch of grain prep for these? Maybe the prep wasn't done correctly.
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: CMOS]
#19409910 - 01/12/14 08:01 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Slow cultures mean higher contam rates. Healthy myc grows fairly quickly.
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19410162 - 01/12/14 08:58 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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If money isn't an issue, I personally Love Red Milo. I use it with a 6 hr soak, vs. popular opinion. 24 Hr soaks seem to cause to much grain expansion. 15 PSI @ 90 Minuets. Then Gtg, works great on both Gourmet, and cubes. I am not going to use anything else.
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: Sockadin]
#19410286 - 01/12/14 09:34 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Sockadin said: If money isn't an issue, I personally Love Red Milo. I use it with a 6 hr soak, vs. popular opinion. 24 Hr soaks seem to cause to much grain expansion. 15 PSI @ 90 Minuets. Then Gtg, works great on both Gourmet, and cubes. I am not going to use anything else.
What in the hell is too much grain expansion? They expand until they explode, and that's the only point that it's too much. You want it to hold as much water as humanly possible without exploding.
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NecroMyce
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: CMOS]
#19414236 - 01/13/14 08:20 PM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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CMOS said: Also, did you do a different batch of grain prep for these? Maybe the prep wasn't done correctly.
I think that could be the reason its slow. I had 3 other 1quart jars colonizing with it and they never germinated. Where as this one did right away and trailed along slowly.
When you say its got a higher contam rate does that mean if i dont get a contam im good? just a higher rate?
and by it not being worth it, does that involve magic levels, or pin sizes/both?
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: NecroMyce]
#19415055 - 01/13/14 11:04 PM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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it's a real possibility that it was yourprep, starchy grains will colonize slower, and contam rates only matter when they contam and by not being worth it it's just to say were always looking for the fastest colonizers for anything from agar to grain masters to bulk subs to pins that pin first
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: cronicr]
#19415185 - 01/13/14 11:37 PM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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Well i can always spawn other bags as well. But in the end if i get a usual sized yield and they are still nice and magic. I wouldn't mind waiting the time, im gonna try to have 2 tubs going at a time or atleasts a good rotation of tubs to make the most of my time. would it still get a usual sized yeild + the magic levels?
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: NecroMyce]
#19415190 - 01/13/14 11:38 PM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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yep you sure will
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: cronicr]
#19415202 - 01/13/14 11:43 PM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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So basically what yall have been saying is its not worth the wait only...
lazy people hahah.
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: NecroMyce]
#19415213 - 01/13/14 11:45 PM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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CaspuuuR said: So basically what yall have been saying is its not worth the wait only...
lazyEFFICIENT people hahah.
remember it's a race against time and contams
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: cronicr]
#19415229 - 01/13/14 11:50 PM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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I know I know. Im just saying in the end i try to make every use of everything.
But i guess it also makes sense to cut my loses now and toss 1quart of rye and instead of spawning it to 6-7 and then losing those. Let alone getting to my casing/tub and then getting a contam and wasting all that since it took so long to colonize?
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Re: Slow colonization [Re: NecroMyce]
#19415236 - 01/13/14 11:54 PM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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oh i'm not saying you can't use it just something to think about down the road when you have more jars to consider that you want the fastest you got, if your grain prep comes out better who knows it may take right off but at least ya know the risks so the choice is yours
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