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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19407005 - 01/12/14 05:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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My grandma lived to be 98 and ate meat,
so how can it have been bad for her?

Isn't everyone different?



you can live long. but is it only about that?
think as a soul. every animal you eat have one.
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Also, though, I find nothing morally wrong with killing animals for food. How come vegans aren't campaigning to stop the Lions from Eating gazelles?
Naturally, we are on top of the food chain, so from a pure naturalist perspective anything we do to honor that is completely honest as a species.



honor...? what is honor connected with kiling a poor animal when you can survive witout killing it.


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: thelanzii]
    #19407007 - 01/12/14 05:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Also, though, I find nothing morally wrong with killing animals for food. How come vegans aren't campaigning to stop the Lions from Eating gazelles?
Naturally, we are on top of the food chain, so from a pure naturalist perspective anything we do to honor that is completely honest as a species.



It is unnecessary suffering.  Factory farming is fucked, watch the movie earthlings.  Humans do not need meat to thrive.



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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: jimmyguy]
    #19407008 - 01/12/14 05:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just because I don't care that animals suffer
doesn't mean I don't care that humans suffer
the two have nothing to do with each other.
If it means people are fed, I don't care if animals
that are bred become no more than a product.

I see vegans crusade for better treatment towards animals instead of better treatment towards humans, which is morally fucked.
Our species first.


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: jimmyguy]
    #19407009 - 01/12/14 05:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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My grandma lived to be 98 and ate meat,
so how can it have been bad for her?

Isn't everyone different?



you can live long. but is it only about that?
think as a soul. every animal you eat have one.




Prove it.


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: Eminence]
    #19407019 - 01/12/14 05:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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My grandma lived to be 98 and ate meat,
so how can it have been bad for her?

Isn't everyone different?



you can live long. but is it only about that?
think as a soul. every animal you eat have one.




Prove it.



i cant prove it if you are an atheist...


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: Eminence]
    #19407022 - 01/12/14 05:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't believe in souls.
If the soul ever existed,
I'd find a way to exploit it and become filthy rich
Same with ghosts.
Good thing they don't exist
or else Id offer souls at discount prices
and factory farm souls,
for the poor africans who could use a good, WHITE, pure soul.
The last line reflects how some vegans come across to me.

I eat meat, so my soul is shit, right?
if my soul is not shit, then it is no problem i eat meat, right?




If I could feed bellies with souls
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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19407031 - 01/12/14 06:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't believe in souls.
If the soul ever existed,
I'd find a way to exploit it and become filthy rich
Same with ghosts.
Good thing they don't exist
or else Id offer souls at discount prices
and factory farm souls,
for the poor africans who could use a good, WHITE, pure soul.
The last line reflects how some vegans come across to me.

I eat meat, so my soul is shit, right?
if my soul is not shit, then it is no problem i eat meat, right?




If I could feed bellies with souls
I would.



you know what... we can open a subject on religion and speak there kindly... i respect everyones beliefes.


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: jimmyguy]
    #19407034 - 01/12/14 06:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If a gay dude cums in your mouth, are you still opposed against animal protein or is it mainly a thing about suffering and death for you?

Because plants have feelings too, turning their leaves to the sun and growing away from harmful stimuli.

Grind thousands of embryos, add water, yeast and salt and bake it till it browns.  Mmm doesnt bread smell delicious fresh from the oven?

Fruits are the pregnant wombs of plants and trees.

Just cause they don't scream, don't thrash about when you harm them and just because they are so alien to us doesnt mean that plants are any less lifeforms being brutally murdered.

We are a lifeform that kills other lifeforms to sustain itself, whether that lifeform is plant or animal, it is still their bodies you are feeding on and their lives on this earth you cut short.

Dead is Good man, all we need to do is minimize suffering.

I'm in favor of vegetarianism as a practical solution to personal and world problems, but it does not take away the ethical issue, in fact a vegetatian on the whole ends more individual lives in feeding than does a meateater. Like, a single slice of bread ends over a hundred lives.

So, Dead is Good but minimize unnecessary syffering and waste of lives.


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: jimmyguy]
    #19407036 - 01/12/14 06:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This isnt about religion
It is about how you are coming across as if you are morally superior
with an example provided above.

You are calling people who eat meat Bad People
If the people who eat meat ARE NOT bad people
than it is okay to eat meat

it is a simple, logical statement.


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: Asante]
    #19407041 - 01/12/14 06:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If a gay dude cums in your mouth, are you still opposed against animal protein or is it mainly a thing about suffering and death for you?




Consenting protein will be the food of the future, mark my words.


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: Asante]
    #19407046 - 01/12/14 06:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
If a gay dude cums in your mouth, are you still opposed against animal protein or is it mainly a thing about suffering and death for you?

Because plants have feelings too, turning their leaves to the sun and growing away from harmful stimuli.

Grind thousands of embryos, add water, yeast and salt and bake it till it browns.  Mmm doesnt bread smell delicious fresh from the oven?

Fruits are the pregnant wombs of plants and trees.

Just cause they don't scream, don't thrash about when you harm them and just because they are so alien to us doesnt mean that plants are any less lifeforms being brutally murdered.

We are a lifeform that kills other lifeforms to sustain itself, whether that lifeform is plant or animal, it is still their bodies you are feeding on and their lives on this earth you cut short.

Dead is Good man, all we need to do is minimize suffering.

I'm in favor of vegetarianism as a practical solution to personal and world problems, but it does not take away the ethical issue, in fact a vegetatian on the whole ends more individual lives in feeding than does a meateater. Like, a single slice of bread ends over a hundred lives.

So, Dead is Good but minimize unnecessary syffering and waste of lives.



well i dont have such sick ideas ..
an apple is transporter for seeds that three uses to spread its seeds... you can think it as a gift for spreading seeds..
the problem is not dead ... as you said minimizing the ''Sufferings"


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #19407049 - 01/12/14 06:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Actually, they're doing experiments with growing meat for consumption now. While derived of a lifeform, it in itself is nonorganismic meat, as no animal has been involvede for its production.

But then we arrive at the matter that we are lifeforms which are aggregates of cellular lifeforms.  Each and every cell of your body is a miche lifeform and as such, each and every one has a right to life.

If you offer your arm as voluntary protein, that doesnt mean that every cell in that arm consents, its the central consciousness making the autocratic decision that they are expendable.

So, its still murder.


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19407050 - 01/12/14 06:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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This isnt about religion
It is about how you are coming across as if you are morally superior
with an example provided above.

You are calling people who eat meat Bad People
If the people who eat meat ARE NOT bad people
than it is okay to eat meat

it is a simple, logical statement.



i am not calling no one bad people... i dont know you guys personally.. and there are people around me, friends and family which eats meet too...
how could you say such a thing..?
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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: jimmyguy]
    #19407058 - 01/12/14 06:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, so meat eaters are not bad people
so I'll continue eating my meat
because doing so does not make me awful
At this point you have no arguement

You make lousy points because you are simultaneously implying eating meat is wrong but there is nothing wrong with people who eat meat

its like saying Racism is wrong but being a practicing Nazi is okay

there is really flawed logic here, both emotionally and scientifically.

you are trying not to be judgemental
which i appreciate
however, it can never come across that way as long as you believe eating meat is wrong
it is extremely judgemental of others
no matter how much benign language you use.

How can the act of killing animals for meat be morally wrong
but not eating them?


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: Asante]
    #19407061 - 01/12/14 06:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Actually, they're doing experiments with growing meat for consumption now. While derived of a lifeform, it in itself is nonorganismic meat, as no animal has been involvede for its production.

But then we arrive at the matter that we are lifeforms which are aggregates of cellular lifeforms.  Each and every cell of your body is a miche lifeform and as such, each and every one has a right to life.

If you offer your arm as voluntary protein, that doesnt mean that every cell in that arm consents, its the central consciousness making the autocratic decision that they are expendable.

So, its still murder.



Bullshit. I am lord of my cells and if I want a wolf to chew at my arm that's my choice. The skin and muscle cells of my arm have no say in the matter.
As for the bacteria that hang out in my gut (note: these are super-strong bacteria due to my mighty healthy diet, they're like the shaolin plumber's union of gut germs), they're sovereign organisms and do get to speak their mind and can move out if they so choose. But they don't because we work wonders as a team and treat each other with brotherly respect and admiration.


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19407066 - 01/12/14 06:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Actually, they're doing experiments with growing meat for consumption now. While derived of a lifeform, it in itself is nonorganismic meat, as no animal has been involvede for its production.

But then we arrive at the matter that we are lifeforms which are aggregates of cellular lifeforms.  Each and every cell of your body is a miche lifeform and as such, each and every one has a right to life.

If you offer your arm as voluntary protein, that doesnt mean that every cell in that arm consents, its the central consciousness making the autocratic decision that they are expendable.

So, its still murder.



can we compaire the pain and fear of death of an animal to collecting apples.?
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Okay, so meat eaters are not bad people
so I'll continue eating my meat
because doing so does not make me awful
At this point you have no arguement

You make lousy points because you are simultaneously implying eating meat is wrong but there is nothing wrong with people who eat meat

its like saying Racism is wrong but being a practicing Nazi is okay

there is really flawed logic here, both emotionally and scientifically.

you are trying not to be judgemental
which i appreciate
however, it can never come across that way as long as you believe eating meat is wrong
it is extremely judgemental of others
no matter how much benign language you use.

How can the act of killing animals for meat be morally wrong
but not eating them?



budy i think you are looking for a argument from nothing.. do what ever you want, its your life.."as you know!


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: jimmyguy]
    #19407070 - 01/12/14 06:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I am presenting to you an excercise in logic

In a round a bout way
whether you realize it or not

You have no problem with animals being used for food.


The heart of any argument is the logic involved
and so far you have presented primarily emotional arguments.


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: jimmyguy]
    #19407075 - 01/12/14 06:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My ideas arent sick, I'm just pointing out that the majority of life feeds on itself and that we are an organism who does.

We arent a cabbage who combines sunlight, carbon dioxide, water and minerals into a body, no we are a life form that rips defenseless cabbages out of the ground, and devours them. And if a goat eats the cabbage first, heck, most of us will eat the goat too.

We are not in the ethical position of the cabbage that we combine sunlight and stardust into life, we are a lifeform that feeds on other lifeforms, any way you turn it.  Thats not a sick thought, its reality. Plants reproduce, seek out benefit and avoid harm as best they can. Plants can see (light sensitive cells) and feel (detecting damage) and use these senses to avoid harm and seek benefit.  They tilt their leaves and flowers towards the sun and grow away from areas where damage occurs, or produce inpalatable compounds if they are munched un too much by animals, and some even signal to their kin to go produce those inpalatable compounds in anticipation of potential arrival of the pest they are trying to overcome by using pheromones that are smelled by those healthy plants and seen as a signal to devote energy to producing inpalatable compounds to avoid the fate of their kin.

A human is its own lifeform and should be respected as such.
And so is an animal, that is the core of animal rights philosophy.
But this is EQUALLY TRUE of plants.

As a vegetarian you are still a murderer. Accept the fact that you are, and murder with care.

Vegetarianism can be healthy on a personal level and eases the burden of humanity upon the earth, yes I endorse it. But!  Its still murder most cruel,, and we shouldnt try to dodge that by saying that killing plants "doesnt count". It does.


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: jimmyguy]
    #19407076 - 01/12/14 06:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i only suggest, offer, propose... its your life and your decidions to do so. with all respect.


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Re: my dear friends be away of any kind of animal protein.. [Re: Asante]
    #19407085 - 01/12/14 06:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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My [...] does.



IMO, plants are different because they lack a CNS and a consciousness (I'm sure you could argue that they do have some form of consciousness, but I'm not buying it. It's not comparable to animals with CNSs), and therefore they have no concept of suffering and no will to live. The same goes for fetuses in the first few weeks after conceptions, and also sperm cells, which is why it's okay to eat semen and take morning after pills.


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