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gman7104

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do the spores really stop flushing?
#19406513 - 01/12/14 12:58 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Ive heard that if you let the caps open the spores tell the mycelium to stop flushing, but ive also seen many pictures of flushes with mature caps. Is this a myth?
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mushmagic
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: gman7104]
#19406517 - 01/12/14 01:01 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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It doesn't completely stop future flushes but it does hinder fruiting because of the gasses that are released.
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: mushmagic]
#19406532 - 01/12/14 01:08 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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^^ theres yr answer
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: Skinty]
#19407029 - 01/12/14 06:00 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Skinty said:

^^ theres yr answer
That's not an answer, but when spores are allowed to drop like that, any future flush if one comes at all will be poor. Usually, green molds take over before another flush can develop.
When mycelium makes a full spore drop, it signals to shut down or go into die-back mode since the life cycle is complete. Pick before that happens.
Also, spores taste horrible so the food quality of the mushrooms goes to shit if you don't pick on time. RR
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19407242 - 01/12/14 07:49 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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He's right, I experienced it myself. The first cakes I fruited had my full attention, I had time enough to watch them every hour and harvested before spores dropped. Those cakes did give me 5-6 flushes. The next batch of cakes were fruiting while I was away from home a lot, resulting in spores all over the place. That cakes gave me about 2 flushes, then Trichoderma came and made me go from 12 to 8 cakes, then to 5, 3, 2 and now there is still one cake going in my FC.
So when someone with a reputation like RR tells you something like this, checking if it is true mostly results in a yes. The pictures you see with spores all over the place only mean that people have been busy around harvest time.
Also, at the moment the mushrooms start going fast, most of the dry material is already formed, they are only pumped up with water. So there should be no difference in dry weight between a mushroom just before the veil breaks and after. I did not get the chance to find out where the point is between extra dry yield or just water. When I know that, I might harvest much sooner in the future.
What I am also wondering about is the mechanism that tells the mycelium it is done. Does this react to any spore of the same species, or does it only happen if the DNA is it's own?
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19407336 - 01/12/14 08:24 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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Skinty said:

^^ theres yr answer
That's not an answer, but when spores are allowed to drop like that, any future flush if one comes at all will be poor. Usually, green molds take over before another flush can develop.
When mycelium makes a full spore drop, it signals to shut down or go into die-back mode since the life cycle is complete. Pick before that happens.
Also, spores taste horrible so the food quality of the mushrooms goes to shit if you don't pick on time. RR
^^ I get all this however it does not reflect my personal experience
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19407467 - 01/12/14 09:14 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: when spores are allowed to drop like that, any future flush if one comes at all will be poor. Usually, green molds take over before another flush can develop.
When mycelium makes a full spore drop, it signals to shut down or go into die-back mode since the life cycle is complete. Pick before that happens.
Also, spores taste horrible so the food quality of the mushrooms goes to shit if you don't pick on time. RR
The last part is for sure, spores taste like SHIT
But I've had spore drops on grain cakes from the first or second flush that continued to put out full-sized flushes until the grain cakes were spent, 4-5 more flushes down the line... They seemed to not notice or not give a damn about the spores all over them. So that doesn't reflect my experience either. I would suppose it may have to do with how much more quickly 'bulk' substrates are expended after first flushes in the first place.
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: Violet]
#19408160 - 01/12/14 12:30 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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It's also not my experience that spores dropping hurts anything at all with future flushes.
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19408172 - 01/12/14 12:33 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: It's also not my experience that spores dropping hurts anything at all with future flushes.

It just looks ugly and tastes like shit
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19408190 - 01/12/14 12:39 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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I find a truth somewhere in between. Cakes where I cut before veil breaking will continually produce the same quality of shrooms, though the quantity will decrease over time. However, I find if I dont pick until after sporulation, the mycelium switches reproduction to a secondary function in which it only pins as convenient and as prime conditions allow. It seems it switches to a primary function of consuming the substrate, rather than reproducing.
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19409881 - 01/12/14 07:55 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
It just looks ugly and tastes like shit
yep. If I can't harvest in time, these fruits get ground down and put into chocolates. Same with my mutants PE blobs.
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: CMOS]
#19409890 - 01/12/14 07:56 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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CMOS said:
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bodhisatta said:
It just looks ugly and tastes like shit
yep. If I can't harvest in time, these fruits get ground down and put into chocolates. Same with my mutants PE blobs.
gelcaps too.
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19409911 - 01/12/14 08:01 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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I suppose when people are growing from multispore inoculation where every flush is a different strain, it might not make as much a difference.
However, with a single sector isolate it's best not to allow spores to drop. Every commercial grower knows this. If you allow a spore drop the substrate block almost always gets green mold before flushing again. RR
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19409924 - 01/12/14 08:04 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: I suppose when people are growing from multispore inoculation where every flush is a different strain, it might not make as much a difference.
However, with a single sector isolate it's best not to allow spores to drop. Every commercial grower knows this. If you allow a spore drop the substrate block almost always gets green mold before flushing again. RR
Again, not IME. I only use isolates anymore and the only time my stuff goes green before the second flush is when I had a horrible mold problem (a green Aspergillus species) in the house anyway, bad enough that it was getting through my cellulose SFDs and made me increase sterilization time to 2 hours.
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19410126 - 01/12/14 08:48 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
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Skinty said:

^^ theres yr answer
That's not an answer, but when spores are allowed to drop like that, any future flush if one comes at all will be poor. Usually, green molds take over before another flush can develop.
When mycelium makes a full spore drop, it signals to shut down or go into die-back mode since the life cycle is complete. Pick before that happens.
Also, spores taste horrible so the food quality of the mushrooms goes to shit if you don't pick on time. RR
wow i havent been schooled this many time in one day in a while. good info.
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: oxana]
#19410178 - 01/12/14 09:01 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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i don't know that i've seen pins show up where the spores have dropped heavily, but i haven't paid much attention to it when it happens
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: Skinty]
#19410221 - 01/12/14 09:14 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Skinty said:

^^ theres yr answer
mmm... spores...
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#19410269 - 01/12/14 09:27 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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ewwww spores
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: cronicr]
#19410541 - 01/12/14 11:04 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Re: do the spores really stop flushing? [Re: Josh.0]
#19410707 - 01/12/14 11:55 PM (10 years, 18 days ago) |
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Josh.0 said:
 
I think that's the fine line between some spores and a problem.
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