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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
#19405332 - 01/11/14 07:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You know why I need to do this? Sex is a beautiful thing. My life has been ugly.* That drastic contrast creates painful tension. I need to dump the concept of sexual pleasure from my life.
*but no, I wasn't sexually violated when I was younger, that's not what I mean.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
#19405644 - 01/11/14 08:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I posted Ina another thread about this recently...I haven't had an orgasm in a long damn time and I can't say it's any different from when I was masturbating 
"Life energy" or chi or whatever the hell some practices preach regarding sexual abstinence is bull shit I think.
Body and mind are two sides of the same coin. I think it's healthy for a mind to listen to the body..If your naturally a horny animal then why are you trying to deny what's natural to you?
Don't overthink this spirituality stuff..It's all abstract nothingness IMO.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
#19405717 - 01/11/14 08:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Da2ra said: Anybody have any experience with doing this?
Some reason my mind places a connotation of 'make someone unable to breath properly, suffocate' rather than stopping oneself from acting upon an emotion, when the word stifle is paired with libido...
Maybe you need some breath play, auto erotic asphyxiation
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19405802 - 01/11/14 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Da2ra said: Anybody have any experience with doing this?
How old are you? I became celibate for up to 3 years at a time, at the wrong time - my 20s! It was the 1970s, and when psychedelia morphed into disco, and acid use gave over to Quaaludes and cocaine, it was easy to get laid at college. Some girls just took a 'lude.' and became lewd. Meanwhile, I was losing female friends because I was crazy (celibate). When I fell in love with a promiscuous girl who was destined to a lifetime of prostitution, out went my celibacy. I struggled with my sexual desires, and almost became a monastic! I entered a methodist seminary instead, and over those 2 years, I still managed to get laid now and then, but then I'd beat myself up for having poor self-control. But I was still in my 2os. Now, at 60, my libido is at its lowest, but I still have to keep my wife happy. Except for the occasional still-necessary milking of the Cowper's gland, I think I'm over sex. That doesn't mean that pics of beauties don't effect me, but even then, it's more head and heart, stare and gasp, than *Schwing*
Isn't it strange Marko's? I mean to feel like the sex thing has run it's course. I'm about there too.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
#19408128 - 01/12/14 12:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here is that book I mentioned, for what it is worth.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Psilopsychosis] 1
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Try eating a lacto-vegetarian diet that contains neither onions nor garlic. Lots of spiritual traditions use this diet, including both yogic traditions, Jains, and most monastic Buddhist groups. You can easily obtain excellent nutrition this way, and the lack of meat, eggs, onions, and garlic greatly reduces stimulation of your sex drive - which in most people is unnaturally over-stimulated by their diet.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/037887419090049Y (In case your mind is screaming "give me the science this is bullshit")
I'm a relatively young man and eat this diet, have for many years. I have sex whenever my partner and I like and it's great, but have no intrusive desire for sex when it's not available. When I used to just eat whatever, I had a frequent intrusive desire for sex.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: hmmn] 1
#19410116 - 01/12/14 08:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm already 75% there, I just need to cut out the beef I eat and I was already planning on doing so. 
Thanks for uploading that book, Psilopsychosis.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
#19410830 - 01/13/14 12:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Strange? No. It feels more like the beginning of the end - a quiet, sad, incredulity about it, that might be suppressing a deep-down panic. I have yet to try the Viagra sample my physician gave me. He said "Once you start, there's no going back."
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#19410857 - 01/13/14 01:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You (both) are using the wrong drug for age reversion in my estimation. Make the wine/kratom go away as daily drivers, seek the hash oil pronto. IMO 60s will be my prime, and I'll still be hitting home runs throughout my 70s.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: hmmn]
#19411687 - 01/13/14 09:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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hmmn said: Try eating a lacto-vegetarian diet that contains neither onions nor garlic. Lots of spiritual traditions use this diet, including both yogic traditions, Jains, and most monastic Buddhist groups. You can easily obtain excellent nutrition this way, and the lack of meat, eggs, onions, and garlic greatly reduces stimulation of your sex drive - which in most people is unnaturally over-stimulated by their diet.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/037887419090049Y (In case your mind is screaming "give me the science this is bullshit")
I'm a relatively young man and eat this diet, have for many years. I have sex whenever my partner and I like and it's great, but have no intrusive desire for sex when it's not available. When I used to just eat whatever, I had a frequent intrusive desire for sex.
How is eating meat eggs onions and garlic unnatural. Not eating them would be imo.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said: You (both) are using the wrong drug for age reversion in my estimation. Make the wine/kratom go away as daily drivers, seek the hash oil pronto. IMO 60s will be my prime, and I'll still be hitting home runs throughout my 70s. 
This kind of claim is made by a foolish man imo. As if you know your future. Most of the stoners I knew are dead now.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
#19411720 - 01/13/14 09:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Personally I make very little distinction between natural and artificial.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
#19411727 - 01/13/14 09:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: You (both) are using the wrong drug for age reversion in my estimation. Make the wine/kratom go away as daily drivers, seek the hash oil pronto. IMO 60s will be my prime, and I'll still be hitting home runs throughout my 70s. 
This kind of claim is made by a foolish man imo. As if you know your future. Most of the stoners I knew are dead now. 
right?
I will never again hear someone claim they plan to be at their best in their 60-70's
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19411848 - 01/13/14 10:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The fact is we deteriorate with age.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19411860 - 01/13/14 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: You (both) are using the wrong drug for age reversion in my estimation. Make the wine/kratom go away as daily drivers, seek the hash oil pronto. IMO 60s will be my prime, and I'll still be hitting home runs throughout my 70s. 
This kind of claim is made by a foolish man imo. As if you know your future. Most of the stoners I knew are dead now. 
right?
I will never again hear someone claim they plan to be at their best in their 60-70's 
First, it's not a claim. It's an opinion, just as I stated. It can't be based on fact or knowledge, as something very well could go dramatically wrong with my plan, like death However, I can't say my ambitions are at all unreasonable. Laugh it up, but I have plenty of evidence to be optimistic and eager to continuously explore my sexuality with age. There's not even a hint of pessimism about it. Prime is all relative, and being at your best is all relative too - so if it's something you think can be statistically graphed, with x orgasms per week = most fulfilled, well, then obviously those changes to your body are going to be depressing. But I suspect there's a qualitatively different element of eroticism and fulfillment that will continue to grow in my life, and caring for my health and the right chemicals will give me my best shot at the rest.
I'm a gay man who lives in the city. We don't have age segregated gay bars in this town, and when I go out, I witness what all age groups are up to. I can say as fact that virtually all of the men of all ages participating in the nightlife here are getting a whole fuckin' lot of action. It's not so easy to judge who is the most sexually fulfilled and happiest, the shirtless, six-packed 21yos on the dance floor or the long white bearded old leather men with their motorcycles. They seem like they're getting a kick out of life, why would I set the bar any lower for myself?
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19411900 - 01/13/14 10:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Life is hardly ever what it seems. (it seems)
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Life is hardly ever what it seems. (it seems)
Maybe some day I'll film a documentary interviewing these guys. They behave in a light and playful manner, unencumbered by some of the seriousness of surviving on a monetary level. I think youth is often wasted on the young often for this simple reason, as it's particularly what I judge as a major source of anxiety for many members here on this forum, with only a handful of exceptions.
I've seen similar things sexually with older straight men and women, particularly with the neo-pagan types at Burning Man/Starwood festival. Also with entheogens, I've seen a man in his mid 70s vape 33mg of DMT (may not be a McKenna dose, but is no means a small dose either imho) - his sense of expressiveness and enthusiasm and the philosophical rap we had showed me he was still very much in his psychedelic prime, he most hadn't outgrown them. I can't say for certain I'll be able to do that in my 70s, but I want to - it's not like I'm setting myself up to be a rigid enlightened master that has no passion for the best things life has to offer, and it's a reasonable possibility from what I've witnessed.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Hey I agree and more power to you if you make it. I've seen those guys at Burning Man. My favorites however were those trippers wandering alone in the night out there. (I was one). Those chance meetings stick in my mind better than most memories. I miss the Man (a lot) but I don't miss sweating it out in a tent and no sleep for a week. If I ever find some guys willing to go in on a camper trailer I'll make it back there.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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