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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: pcplease]
    #19405740 - 01/11/14 08:43 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I never said etizolam addiction was a joke! I just said Xanax is much more dangerous than etiz , and I so believe that to be true , but I'm not an expert so I could be wrong , but all my research as everything I have heard from users here (including you yourself) has led me to believe Xanax addiction sets In faster and is more severe than etiz addiction, and Wikipedia also confirms this.


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19405753 - 01/11/14 08:45 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Xanax produces painful muscle relaxation in me. I become extremely weak and it's as if my blood flow starts to be inhibited. I've noticed this consistently in a context of sporadic use and only low doses too. Only benzo that does it to me.


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #19405755 - 01/11/14 08:46 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Sorry can you answer these two questions clearly, because I couldn't find the answer in your last post :

1. Aprox how many mg a day were you using?
2. For approximately how many months are you using daily?

Thank you for sharing ! Sorry for your suffering. I am so glad you recovered !


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19405775 - 01/11/14 08:52 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

both times I was at around 60-80mg daily. the first time I had been using for about 8 months, and the second time about a month. I did a taper on Librium the first time and no taper the second time, as I ate all of my remaining stash when I got home from running from the cops. I ended up overdosing and got really belligerent, don't remember anything other than what people have told me. everything I did was out of character. I even heard a recording made of me on the phone and I sounded possessed.


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #19405814 - 01/11/14 09:01 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Wow 60-80 mg a day for 8 months! It's amazing you have made a full recovery ! I am so happy to hear that.

Thank you for sharing your story. It can be a warning to me and others to be very careful with etizolam and never let doses get out of hand or fall in to daily dosing.

I have heard one other shroomery member share a similar habit .

The largest dose I have ever taken is 8 mg in one 24 hour period and the longest I have used
Daily is about 2 weeks or so.

After I finish this taper I will never use daily again, and I wo never exceed the recommended maximum dosage of 3 mg a day.

I must say I feel pretty relaxed and euphoric from this 300 mg kavalactones .

I think it's worth the liver risk to use up what I have at least as a substitute for etizolam.

I have Ativan as well but I don't use that at all because I believe etiz to be safer.

I have recently heard one member here took 1000 mg in one dose an survived !

From that point of view it is a very safe drug in terms of being very hard to overdose on unless combined with alcohol or another CNS depressant.

I'm hoping because I don't drink or use acetemenophen the kava won't get my liver too much. Going to buy a bottle of milk thistle and a bottle of valerian capsules on the way home. From now on I am going o use valerian instead of etizolam for all my anxiolytic and hypnotic needs.


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19405825 - 01/11/14 09:04 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

You're right, you didn't say it was a joke :tongue2: I'm sorry; I just get bummed about everyone under the impression that etizolam is totally safe to use daily or abuse. And I'm definitely not talking about you when I say that, you are very cautious when using pretty much everything.

Yes xanax is a stronger agonist, but I never meant to imply xanax is more dangerous than etiz. Unless you're talking about me saying physically safe to discontinue at equivalent doses/habits, in which case yes, etiz should be. Or if I said more neurotoxic. Xanax abuse will cause longer, more severe rebound. More severe rebound = more neurotoxic. Also means like you/I said, that addiction will set in quicker.

The are both equally dangerous IMO, although one might be more dangerous depending on the person. For some, etizolam is much more recreational than xanax, and for others the opposite.

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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19405833 - 01/11/14 09:06 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I've gone overboard with lorazepam too. kava is great if you can find a comfortable dose. you should take it on an empty stomach to gauge the effects. food can make it have no effect at all. once you get to a level where the drug is being used too fast for your liking, eat some food. have it already prepared in anticipation of this effect.


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: pcplease]
    #19405865 - 01/11/14 09:14 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I totally understand and that is good info :hug:

I try to treat etiz with great caution and recognize it as a dangerous , addictive hard drug , but one that has enough therapeutic and recreational benefit to d worth using responsibly and carefully .

Basically that means to me not exceeding 3mg a day dosage , not exceeding 3 days a week frequency, not combining with alcohol and always using a taper to come off it If you have been using daily for more than a week.


I think if one can follow those rules etiz is a safe and useful medicine for treating anxiety and insomnia.

But if you can't follow those rules you
Can end up
In a world of shit like passiflora or
Dead like summer daisies.

Speaking of passiflora passionflower extract is another supplement I
Am using
To substitute for etizolam.

I
Must say this 300
Mg dose of kava is really feeling gold right now, maybe because
Of synergy with the small
Amount
Of
Etiz
In my system or the other supplements I took.


Sorry for the wierd spacing of this post my phone is being wierd.


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19406336 - 01/11/14 11:42 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I've drunk kava probably every other day for over a year and I feel perfectly fine, great stuff.


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: Dudits]
    #19406515 - 01/12/14 12:59 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

Dudits said:
I've drunk kava probably every other day for over a year and I feel perfectly fine, great stuff.




Awesome! That's great to know. Can you please share your method of ingesting and preparing it in as much detail as possible? I would like to do it the exact same way as you, since you seem to be doing it safely.

Have you ever taken any extracts or concentrated kava products? Or do you use raw root?


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19406542 - 01/12/14 01:12 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I buy black or white sand from nakamalathome. If I haven't drank in a while I will heat 1cup water and mix in some some soy lecithin then let it cool, and then mix with powered root. Otherwise I just soak the powder in a little less than a cup of water in the fridge for 15 min (taste better cold). I put 4 heaping tablespoons put in a small paint strainer and pour the water over it, then put it in the fridge. 15 min later I take it out and knead the kava in the strainer, and you have 1 bowl. Then after I have made one bowl I put the same kava still in the strainer into a glass and add water to let it soak in the fridge. When im ready I make the second bowl. Depending on how strong the decline bowl is I will either dump the strainer and start fresh for a third or try and get one more bowl out of it. Always drink on an empty stomach and about an hour before bed I drink maybe a liter of water so I dont feel dehydrated in the morning.


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19407208 - 01/12/14 07:29 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

If anybody's interested in some kava kava extract, I'm selling the stuff I bought (https://hyperionherbs.com/shop/kava-extract-4-oz/). Did 8 teaspoons, so obviously I'll give you a big discount. Good opportunity to try the stuff out.


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: s240779]
    #19407240 - 01/12/14 07:46 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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If anybody's interested in some kava kava extract, I'm selling the stuff I bought (https://hyperionherbs.com/shop/kava-extract-4-oz/). Did 8 teaspoons, so obviously I'll give you a big discount. Good opportunity to try the stuff out.



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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: sololas]
    #19407244 - 01/12/14 07:49 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Seems like it's not really fit for someone who is genuinely stressed out. Perhaps it's more of a muscle relaxer -- lacking in psychotropic action.


We have studied in animals and man various extracts, extracted chemicals and congeners of piper methysticum (Kava Kava). The main pharmacological action is like that of central relaxants of the mephenesin-type as shown by a specific antagonism to strychnine infusion. Compared to modern synthetic central relaxants all of the Kava congeners are relatively inactive. The most active congener appears to be dihydromethysticin, but this compound when given to man in the dosage range of 800 to 1200 mgm daily produces side effects and allergic skin reactions. The crude root and extract produces a yellowing of the skin similar to that reported in the Kava drinkers of Samoa. From the data now available, further study of Kava as a modern medicinal agent would not appear to be needed.

Ethnopharmacologic Search for Psychoactive Drugs (eds. D. H. Efron, R. Holmstedt, and N. S. Klein) (1967), page 160


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: s240779]
    #20392267 - 08/08/14 03:27 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I got ssave kava tea today, going to start with 2 nags that's about 148mg of cava


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Re: Is kava kava extract safe? [Re: SunnyD]
    #20392713 - 08/08/14 05:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

kava tea in bags sucks, so does the extract.


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