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Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell
    #19405245 - 01/11/14 06:45 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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HASWELL, Colo. - The Kiowa County Sheriff’s Office executed a search warrant Saturday morning at a home in Haswell, where an estimated 1,200 marijuana plants were found.

Two people, who are not believed to be Colorado residents, were arrested and transported to the Bent County Jail. Their names and a full list of charges have not yet been released, while members of the Sheriff’s Office continue the investigation.

"This is a very sophisticated operation," stated Kiowa County Sheriff Forrest Frazee. "Plants are lined up in various stages of growth, with the largest being about three feet tall. None were in bloom yet."

Frazee stated that the two individuals are thought to have lived at the location for about two months.


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: thirtygoats]
    #19405505 - 01/11/14 07:48 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: Repertoire89] * 2
    #19405575 - 01/11/14 08:04 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

hate to say it but if we the people want legalized recreational pot, a 1200 plant grow-op is not gonna be ok.


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: thirtygoats] * 1
    #19405612 - 01/11/14 08:10 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

It is also illegal to produce alcohol at this scale without a permit, why would weed be different?


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: Brisco]
    #19405633 - 01/11/14 08:16 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

It will be interesting to see how legalization advocates react to this and how this generally affects the movement.


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19405692 - 01/11/14 08:31 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

How hard would it be to get a license to grow like that?


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: DirtyTomFlint] * 1
    #19405734 - 01/11/14 08:42 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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How hard would it be to get a license to grow like that?



You would need to be licensed as a commercial distributor. This is pretty hard to do and requires all sorts of clearances, security measures, and quality standards.

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It will be interesting to see how legalization advocates react to this and how this generally affects the movement.



It depends what kind of legalization you're talking about. As is in our society, legalization of a substance for sale implies both regulation and taxation. This producer was abiding by neither. Black market producers like this guy only harm the legalization movement by selling a product that would otherwise be taxed. He's has a huge illegal edge on his legal competitors and this is why he was busted.


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: Brisco]
    #19408016 - 01/12/14 11:54 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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It is also illegal to produce alcohol at this scale without a permit, why would weed be different?




Not really. You can make a shitload of beer before it's illegal. Distilled spirits always require a license though.


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: afrogus] * 2
    #19408269 - 01/12/14 12:59 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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afrogus said:
hate to say it but if we the people want legalized recreational pot, a 1200 plant grow-op is not gonna be ok.



You just stated a fallacy. If you want legalized recreational pot a 1200 plant grow-op is OK. The truth should be that if you want highly regulated and taxed recreational pot sold through state permitted stores then a 1,200 plant grow-op is not gonna be OK. You don't want a legal free market environment, you want something else, like a controlled competition limiting model used to generate tax dollars from booze.

Its perfectly fine thats what you want but I find it mildly annoying that you can't even tell the truth about it.


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: mylfgur] * 3
    #19408468 - 01/12/14 01:54 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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afrogus said:
hate to say it but if we the people want legalized recreational pot, a 1200 plant grow-op is not gonna be ok.



You just stated a fallacy. If you want legalized recreational pot a 1200 plant grow-op is OK. The truth should be that if you want highly regulated and taxed recreational pot sold through state permitted stores then a 1,200 plant grow-op is not gonna be OK. You don't want a legal free market environment, you want something else, like a controlled competition limiting model used to generate tax dollars from booze.

Its perfectly fine thats what you want but I find it mildly annoying that you can't even tell the truth about it.




That's a very radical and anarchist view to take.
Like I said earlier,

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As is in our society, legalization of a substance for sale implies both regulation and taxation.




By "substance" I literally mean that, in the sense of both psychoactive substances biologically inert materials. Every commodity is subjected to taxation and regulation. Why would you think that marijuana would be any different in any remotely developed State?

Although I understand your point of view in a philosophical sense, it seems to me to be naïve in a structural and societal sense.


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: mylfgur]
    #19408483 - 01/12/14 01:58 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Although I understand your point of view in a philosophical sense, it seems to me to be naïve in a structural and societal sense.




I agree with ED. Having said that I also agree with you.

This is why I have no interest in politics or philanthropy.


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #19408495 - 01/12/14 02:01 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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mylfgur said:

Although I understand your point of view in a philosophical sense, it seems to me to be naïve in a structural and societal sense.




I agree with ED. Having said that I also agree with you.

This is why I have no interest in politics or philanthropy.




Agreed. I think that ED is highlighting what has become a slow shift in political rhetoric towards a higher level of double-think in American politics (and furthermore world politics modeled after the US). For instance, the Department of Defense wages war. In the recent example of drugs, "decriminalization" has come to mean "reduced penalization" and "legalization" has come to mean "decriminalization."


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: mylfgur]
    #19408610 - 01/12/14 02:29 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Agreed. I think that ED is highlighting what has become a slow shift in political rhetoric towards a higher level of double-think in American politics (and furthermore world politics modeled after the US). For instance, the Department of Defense wages war. In the recent example of drugs, "decriminalization" has come to mean "reduced penalization" and "legalization" has come to mean "decriminalization."



You see the truth in this for what it is but consider my statement to be anarchistic?

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mylfgur said:
By "substance" I literally mean that, in the sense of both psychoactive substances biologically inert materials. Every commodity is subjected to taxation and regulation. Why would you think that marijuana would be any different in any remotely developed State?

Although I understand your point of view in a philosophical sense, it seems to me to be naïve in a structural and societal sense.



All I've really said was that 2+2=4. 2+2=4 is naive to say, sure, but the question is "is it true?"

People want to pretend they have freedom to think and do what they desire. But then ask, "from whence come your wants and desires?" and they don't see that even that is another layer of the control structure imprisoning their very mind. If you have the freedom to say 2+2=4 then you can be free. If the party says that 2+2=5 today and 2+2=4 is naive it doesn't become any less true no matter what, and denying the simple truth makes you a mental prisoner. Never mind you don't see the cell at the ministry of love, you're in it.


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19409312 - 01/12/14 05:26 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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mylfgur said:
Agreed. I think that ED is highlighting what has become a slow shift in political rhetoric towards a higher level of double-think in American politics (and furthermore world politics modeled after the US). For instance, the Department of Defense wages war. In the recent example of drugs, "decriminalization" has come to mean "reduced penalization" and "legalization" has come to mean "decriminalization."



You see the truth in this for what it is but consider my statement to be anarchistic?

And then...
Quote:

mylfgur said:
By "substance" I literally mean that, in the sense of both psychoactive substances biologically inert materials. Every commodity is subjected to taxation and regulation. Why would you think that marijuana would be any different in any remotely developed State?

Although I understand your point of view in a philosophical sense, it seems to me to be naïve in a structural and societal sense.



All I've really said was that 2+2=4. 2+2=4 is naive to say, sure, but the question is "is it true?"

People want to pretend they have freedom to think and do what they desire. But then ask, "from whence come your wants and desires?" and they don't see that even that is another layer of the control structure imprisoning their very mind. If you have the freedom to say 2+2=4 then you can be free. If the party says that 2+2=5 today and 2+2=4 is naive it doesn't become any less true no matter what, and denying the simple truth makes you a mental prisoner. Never mind you don't see the cell at the ministry of love, you're in it.




Yeah. I get your point. Only problem I have is the fact that math is math, and language is language. Language can be corrupted and applied new meanings through double-think but math cannot. I think that was one of Orwell's main points in 1984 that even basic laws of mathematics could become corrupted.

I do, however, admire your solidity. You possess a firmness of mind and principle that I can comprehend but not replicate.


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: mylfgur]
    #19412119 - 01/13/14 11:47 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

im 3 months it will have calmed down and the gov will have sorted out actual laws for the sale of recreation  weed


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: thirtygoats] * 1
    #19412296 - 01/13/14 12:39 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Legal should be legal.

There shouldn't be a government monopoly on it.

None of the plants were even flowering.  It was a plant donation or clone-bank for all we know.  When should privately owned plants be illegal?


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: mastercultivator]
    #19412522 - 01/13/14 01:46 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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Legal should be legal.

There shouldn't be a government monopoly on it.

None of the plants were even flowering.  It was a plant donation or clone-bank for all we know.  When should privately owned plants be illegal?




It's not about flowering, it's about the number of plants this guy was caught with. Had he been under the legal limit for private ownership of those plants, he would not have been arrested.


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Re: Colorado - 1,200 Marijuana Plants Seized in Haswell [Re: mylfgur]
    #19412675 - 01/13/14 02:29 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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Had he been under the legal limit for private ownership of those plants, he would not have been arrested.




Earlier you wrote off "decriminalization" as newspeak. "Legalization" is the exact same thing. If it's criminal, it's state controlled (prohibition)). If it's legal, it's still state controlled, just the control has shifted towards other ends. It shouldn't be the State's business how many plants a private party grows. It's reasons like this decriminalization is better in my eyes than legalization. Genuine decriminalization in the sense of the word would entail the absence of criminal punishment for noncrimes. Legalization is just a PR friendly way to say, "You can do this, but by our rules, & only if we get a cut." It's still red tape; It's semi-legal, as long as the qualifiers are met.


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