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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19403468 - 01/11/14 11:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Now for my theory. . .
I believe that an abort rate is on the precipice of why the first flush was poor. This culture roots deep. No twist and pull for these guys. I have a suspicion that if we were to remove the casing from the first pp5 cup, there would be a lot of aborts down there. Why did the pins abort? Because this is a retarded fruiting strain, one of the drawbacks. Bulk can supply enough water, but I doubt that the pp5 can for the first flush without early bottom watering. Your tek states that you do not start to bottom water until the sides have pulled away after the first flush. I believe that with an aggressive fruiting strain such as this, bottom watering should be initiated sooner. I have now bottom watered the cups with the heavy visible pinset, ahead of schedule and off tek. To be fair, I usually use a lower spawn rate with this culture which gives a lighter pinset, but bigger fruits first flush. We shall see how it plays out.




But I highly doubt your cakes are dry. Your 17g flush drew only like 16mL of water.  My containers usually contain 50-60mL for the first flush, capable of supporting 50-60g yield.
And indeed I expect a culture to nearly drain their cake dry for the first flush,

Your theory would make sense if they failed to grow a larger yield due to utter lack of moisture with which to do so.  But that can't be the explanation until the 2nd flush.
Watering for the 1st won't help anything if they don't even intend, or aren't able, to draw up all the water already in the grains.


Perhaps your grains needed more time to ready for a large flush due to sub nutrient density. Weren't ready to use the on-hand water yet. I've definitely had that happen with early-initiated cakes


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
    #19403520 - 01/11/14 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Your theory would make sense if they failed to grow a larger yield due to utter lack of moisture with which to do so.  But that can't be the explanation until the 2nd flush.
Watering for the 1st won't help anything if they don't even intend, or aren't able, to draw up all the water already in the grains.




Guess we will know soon. I only added water to the two containers which had their sides pull away once the pinset came in. For those 2 that I did add the water to, I went and checked them and most of its absorbed already.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19403555 - 01/11/14 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Guess we will know soon. I only added water to the two containers which had their sides pull away once the pinset came in. For those 2 that I did add the water to, I went and checked them and most of its absorbed already.



Bottom-watering works :wink:  That water is now in the cake and will become mushrooms.

Already absorbed all up!  Cake was thirsty.  Maybe your grains were dry and/or lost moisture to loose lid. Other possibilities to consider. Doesn't happen to me because I hydrate carefully and keep containers sealed.


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It has some of the" look man I ain't falling for no banana in my tailpipe" syndrome because for someone to change their tek, something that has produced fruits for them in the past it can be too stressful for most to deal with when they need results for an ego boost.
This is information about just that don't go and change your whole system of fruiting until you can figure out how a new tek works for you.
I hope that people don't get turned off from trying new teks and talk about their experiance,THATS WHY I JOIN THE SHROOMERY, not to say my method is better and you can never pull off what I can do, I hope I never get to that point...



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It dont matter which technique you use. As violet mentioned it takes time to hone in a tek. You have to observe variables for a great deal of time to maximize your results.

In the end tenacity is what proves most productive, and less the technique.



Wisdoms.

Why don't THESE kinds of peeps post as often and as 'vigorously' as negativistic edgy types that want to effect perceptions deconstructively?


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Violet]
    #19403576 - 01/11/14 12:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Already absorbed all up!  Cake was thirsty.  Maybe your grains were dry and/or lost moisture to loose lid. Other possibilities to consider. Doesn't happen to me because I hydrate carefully and keep containers sealed.





So Violet, the grains definitely could lose some moisture, but the casing layer should provide some more back right?

Also would it make sense at all to you to give the cakes a little bottom watering right upon the first pinning to ensure they have the water necessary?


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: BigGreenMat]
    #19404287 - 01/11/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Anne said:

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i see this as what it is,
a mid level grow attempt at 2 types of grows,
with all variables subject to bias.





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You keep saying "mediocre culture" but who said your culture is mediocre? I sure didn't. Anne sure didn't.




What is a "mid-level grow"?

I see an excellent effort. What's with the insults? Insulting people to get them to come to your way of doing things is lame.

Looking forward to updates. Thanks for doing this.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: InTheBiggun]
    #19404305 - 01/11/14 03:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19404491 - 01/11/14 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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im proud of pastys effort.
and glad he cant do an honest v -tek
you guys would have destroyed his rep if he did.
many of you would have given him the rudest treatment.
you would have distorted his results , and slandered him,
and played him like he was a traitor.





yep typical statements like that just rub me wrong, i am 100% certain he can and STILL would have been given a high five from everyone else, but to outright say he can't and eve if he could we would attack him....just no:smirk:
but while were here who can do an honest v-tek? i haven't visited the thread lately or see it up much?(honest q here lol). has anyone else had the results you guys are getting?


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19404519 - 01/11/14 04:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you bothered to even read the write ups by Violet and the discussions that followed, you would understand that the amount of bulk material used is considered irrelevant to what this grow is trying to understand. One of the premises of V tek is that it will equally produce or outproduce based on the amount of spawn and only the amount of spawn used. The idea is that while the bulk does provide some nutrients, their contribution is offset by the energy required to recover from the shake and reestablish the colony.

I love how you blow up my inbox with :pm: all day telling me that you like my experiments, are jelly of my reishi (sorry to hear yours contamed), and would like me do your oven tek for you and post the results. Then you come here and trash my thread? Dude, I may not be a biologist, but you are certainly a troll.




Lol, yeah I pm you all day. :lol:

What evidence do you have of that? According to the results it appears the opposite could be true. Read up on biological efficiency and see that both the spawn and the bulk sub is considered.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr] * 1
    #19404522 - 01/11/14 04:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with cronicr. It wouldn't have destroyed his rep. We like pastey because of pastey. Not because how he grows mushrooms. I don't care how someone grows. If they're good people then they're good people. Simple as that


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: teknix]
    #19404592 - 01/11/14 04:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you bothered to even read the write ups by Violet and the discussions that followed, you would understand that the amount of bulk material used is considered irrelevant to what this grow is trying to understand. One of the premises of V tek is that it will equally produce or outproduce based on the amount of spawn and only the amount of spawn used. The idea is that while the bulk does provide some nutrients, their contribution is offset by the energy required to recover from the shake and reestablish the colony.

I love how you blow up my inbox with :pm: all day telling me that you like my experiments, are jelly of my reishi (sorry to hear yours contamed), and would like me do your oven tek for you and post the results. Then you come here and trash my thread? Dude, I may not be a biologist, but you are certainly a troll.




Lol, yeah I pm you all day. :lol:

What evidence do you have of that? According to the results it appears the opposite could be true. Read up on biological efficiency and see that both the spawn and the bulk sub is considered.




:smbfacepalm: I'm starting to think that reading comprehension ain't your thing. I never made that claim anywhere.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Stromrider]
    #19404606 - 01/11/14 04:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree with cronicr. It wouldn't have destroyed his rep. We like pastey because of pastey. Not because how he grows mushrooms. I don't care how someone grows. If they're good people then they're good people. Simple as that




Thanks man :thumbup: I like most of you for the same reasons, I don't give a fuck if you grow bulk, or cakes, or straw logs, or cased grains. Long as your info is good, and your not a douche on the boards, we all get along real well. Part of why I like coming here, good people :awesomenod:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19404622 - 01/11/14 04:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:awesomenod:

That's what Anne doesn't get


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19404627 - 01/11/14 04:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well if you were to start getting kits i'd probably shit all over you, or frank...:laugh2:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19404647 - 01/11/14 04:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well then I'd deserve it :lol:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19404661 - 01/11/14 04:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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:smbfacepalm: I'm starting to think that reading comprehension ain't your thing. I never made that claim anywhere.




Huh?

Didn't you say this?

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their contribution is offset by the energy required to recover from the shake and reestablish the colony.






How do you know that? It doesn't seem realistic according to the results, in fact the results could be considered as providing evidence to the contrary, don't they?


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: teknix]
    #19404667 - 01/11/14 04:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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:smbfacepalm: I'm starting to think that reading comprehension ain't your thing. I never made that claim anywhere.




Huh?

Didn't you say this?

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their contribution is offset by the energy required to recover from the shake and reestablish the colony.






How do you know that? It doesn't seem realistic according to the results, in fact the results could be considered as providing evidence to the contrary, don't they?[/quote]
don't interrupt were talking here


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Stromrider]
    #19404669 - 01/11/14 04:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I feel i need to put together a shroom growing choice matrix for growing styles, simply to show peeps all the ways you can accomplish your dream grow, with umpteen different directions.

This is just the point. No tek is really superior to the other, its all about which tek fits you and your resources best.

For you to optimize your yield, you need to start with:

1)Which grain? (usually based on cost, or general availability) One thing they generally dont tell newbs here is you can use any grain....

2)Which substrate? Mushrooms love just about everything you throw at em. Cubes especially. If your growing a different species, you need to meet their nutritional requirements, which is not too hard.. Generally the best substrates are just simply organic detritus. Straw is the bomb,  and cheap too. This is what i use. But dont stop there. yard refuse, grass clippings, mulched leaves. You can source your substrates freely if you know what you are doing. Manure, scope out farms etc. Make your own compost pile. Use worms for composting, and recycle the castings into your substrates for extra nutes. Your imagination is the only limit of the substrates you can make and use.

3) Pasteurization vs sterilization.
Here on shroomery you hear about pasteurizaton of your subs. This is the primary pushed tek. I personally have experienced nothing but catastrophe with pasteurization. But im not gonna knock it. A lot of peeps have great success with it. I prefer sterilization. I sterilize all my subs in mycobags in my pressure cooker. My method bears more of a semblance to the V-Tek than the monotub tek. The only real differences between my tek and the v-tek is i use mycobags, and different substrates, however i now cut off the tops of the bags, and bottom water the football sized cakes. (usually made of straw). I get killer flushes out of this. Im not here to wave my dick around, so I didnt measure the weight of the sub vs the output of the cake, or never ran metrics against my cakes for which one kicks out the most. Again its variable, and each cake is its own ecosystem. So none of you crazies can 100% predict how much your tub or cake will produce, or for that matter weather or not it will turn green.


The number 1 reason I prefer this to any bulk pasteurization tek is when you sterilize you give your myc 100% chance of conquering the substrate, whereas with pasteurization you are running smaller percentages.

Another advantage to using bags or containers for your bulk spawn is you dont lose a whole damn monotub when you encounter a contamination. Its localized to 1 container approximating 70 cents in value.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #19404681 - 01/11/14 04:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you got a FH malicom? just curiuos because i had a bitch of a time with sterile subs and my sab last year


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19404687 - 01/11/14 04:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nope, I use this:



Lol :smile:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #19404696 - 01/11/14 04:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i couldn't get bags to work for me just sterile subs in double qt's


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