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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: Webster10]
    #19411593 - 01/13/14 08:29 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Eat the shrooms and stay the fuck away from alcohol.:sunny::goodluck:


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #19413118 - 01/13/14 04:13 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Dont do it man.


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #19413121 - 01/13/14 04:15 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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I tried to think of the most appropriate thread title that would do good at grabbing your attention and getting you to look at this thread.  Did it work?  It must have because you are reading this.



:facepalm: I didn't read past this. Sorry.


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #19416708 - 01/14/14 10:28 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Interesting perspective.

What about challenging your perspective in that situation to be different? For example, to desire death might not be appropriate. But, challenging yourself, in a different state of mind, to the same thoughts. Behind a different perspective, you're likely to have different understandings.

You should not debate whether the idea to trip is good, but what is the best perspective to carry into the trip. Try and learn from your experience as well :smile:

On about my 25 trip on mushrooms, I had a desire to lose myself on a sunny day by the water. After 5g and 6 hours, I found myself ironically.


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #19778190 - 04/01/14 12:51 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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There is a lot of good stuff in this thread.  I started my reply by quoting the stuff that I was replying to but then the thread got way to long.  So I am just going to reply without the quotes.

I am no n00b when it comes to psychs.  I have on one occasion taken 32 hits of liquid LSD in one setting.  I have eaten about 7g of cubes in a night. I would say that both experiences were uncomfortable for me but I did get through them and I did learn from them. 

The cause of my depression is death.  It is only when I get stuck in this death loop that I begin to feel depressed.  I think the obsession with death is coming from a feeling of going nowhere in life.  I think it is from having no real direction and no real goals.  As far as knowing my source I think I'm pretty good lol.

As far as skydiving goes I have been there done that.  It was a great experience. 

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Just trip balls man.



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Just trip balls man.



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Yeah, just give up the weird shit and get on with :trippnballs:

:peace:PS



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I wouldnt recommend you do it right now when you think about death... bad time!
you will get a bad trip likely
just take 3-4g mushroom chocolates when you have a good day...

work your way up / through your problems, that is how to heal

ask yourself, who am I?
am I my brain, these thoughts? who am I inside, who am I outside?




He shouldn't avoid it just because he can have a bad trip. A bad trip can still help you sort through your problems. It's these problems that cause it to be a bad trip but when he goes through them and sorts them out it can turn into a good or even great trip.

OP, I think you have every reason to trip.



:cheers:  I think I just needed encouragement.




This was WW's last post, he was a pretty regular member for a while.

I hope you're ok, my friend.

As an aside to the rest of you, you are a bunch of morons for recommending he dose in that state of mind. Hopefully he didn't end up doing something awful while he was fucked up.


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #19778289 - 04/01/14 01:21 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, he probably dosed big on shrooms and then offed hisself.  Sad, ain't it. :whateveryousayfreak:

:peace:PS

good day for it though:lol:


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19778345 - 04/01/14 01:34 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I wasn't posting for april fool's, but it's good to know how you roll :rolleyes:

It's just a reality check, drug use does have consequences, recommending a trip to someone feeling very serious about suicide and death is a dumbass idea.

Whatever happened or didn't with WW, he was a daily poster for over a year. I miss him around mush cult.


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #19778454 - 04/01/14 02:01 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

i personally have  taken 15 dry grams of cubes to the face no bs no april fools .. you have idea what death is until that. lol but hey we all have different tolerances. hey man stay trippy and pass on the good vibes we rolling 24/7. peace from cali


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: FrankHorrigan] * 1
    #19778594 - 04/01/14 02:34 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Hey Frank, no offense, but the guy agreed it was just an occasional thought loci not some sort of deep rooted obsession.

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I am no n00b when it comes to psychs.  I have on one occasion taken 32 hits of liquid LSD in one setting.  I have eaten about 7g of cubes in a night. I would say that both experiences were uncomfortable for me but I did get through them and I did learn from them.

The cause of my depression is deathIt is only when I get stuck in this death loop that I begin to feel depressed.  I think the obsession with death is coming from a feeling of going nowhere in life.  I think it is from having no real direction and no real goals.  As far as knowing my source I think I'm pretty good lol.




That's not somebody with no experience talking, I think we've all been there.  FWIW it's a thankless job being the karma police. :shrug:

Still, he's asking for groupsourcing about his concerns and that's what he got, fair return for the investment. :thumbup:

BTW being bipolar I do get depressed on a fucking schedule and tripping has always hit the big reset on that shit for me. :yinyang2:

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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19779138 - 04/01/14 04:07 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

i've been dead, theres nuthing there..least not on my end, i haven't talked to WW since his flowhood post and hope he's doing good


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19779954 - 04/01/14 06:32 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

my death felt like my body  was quickly deteriorating. since i was practically polarized . i visioned the sun passing by as fast as a count down as the days passed my body was infusing with the dirt.i wish i could cgi that image for you cuz its what i was going through it  could have been a dream though. right? what does ego death feel like and try to explain it to me like you would a 10 year o9ld . I'm still trying to figure out what my trips are even about.


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: 5cruffyMuff]
    #19779997 - 04/01/14 06:36 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

i saw nuthing, smashed my dome on the bottom of a pool and woke up the next day in the hospital where my parents told me i died for a few minutes


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: cronicr]
    #19780146 - 04/01/14 06:50 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

ahah im sorry to hear that lol .. yea you died.


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: 5cruffyMuff] * 1
    #19844127 - 04/14/14 03:18 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I'm bringing this thread back to life just to let you all know that I did not off myself.  I have gone through a lot of shit since this post.  I have done a lot of personal work and I feel like my life is finally getting to where it needs to be.  Happiness can be hard work but it is worth it. 

And to Frank thanks brutha, in fact thank you to each and everyone of you who has shown me love while I was gone.  And in closing I will tell you this, 5 grams can be a rough ride:awecid:


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #19844247 - 04/14/14 03:41 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Death is freedom, do not fear death.  You'll live forever.


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: Willy Wonka]
    #19846516 - 04/14/14 10:40 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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I tried to think of the most appropriate thread title that would do good at grabbing your attention and getting you to look at this thread.  Did it work?  It must have because you are reading this.  Recently I have felt a morbid obsession with death.  I have spent a lot of time thinking about death, when mine is going to come, will I be ready for it, will I be able to accept it when it comes, what will happen after I die,  and all sorts of things like this.  I have been getting so obsessed with these type of thoughts and a lot of the times it leads me in to a kind of depression.  Yesterday I had an idea.  I think that I might be able to get through this morbid obsession and I might be able to deal with these strange feelings and fears if I were to go to a camp ground with just me and 5 grams of some good cubes.  In doing so I would be trying to experience my own death.  In experiencing my own death I would hope to gain a new perspective on things and to get a little bit of insight in to what is going on with this obsession.
Does this sound like a good idea?  It seems to me that doing this would be using mushrooms as a great tool.  I welcome your thoughts and opinions on this. 

Thank you,

Willy





Forgive me if I have missed any relevant and informative posts here. I have skipped everyone's responses in order to reply directly.

Well, Willy, you are not alone.
I went through this phase as well. I believe it is an uncommon phase for an individual to go through, and a rather trying one at that, but in the end worth it. You will be better off all around than your peers for having gone through this trial.
Have you been studying philosophy or ontology lately? This is what triggered the phase for me I believe.
Yes, I went through the "morbid obsession with death" phase for a solid 7-8 months in my late teens/early twenties (don't remember exactly but it was around that time).
Sometimes it would scare me. I would wonder if I was going mad. I would wonder if I was  depressed or just contemplating dangerous topics, mentally unbalancing topics (at that age, I tended to believe it was depression, but hindsight is 20/20).
I would contemplate different scenarios of death, objectify the pain of death, muse over the experience of death, and even think about how I would act in the final moments. I would picture a gruesome scene--being murdered in the streets, for instance--and resolve myself that in that moment I would not be held captive by fear but accept my fate and allow my final moments to be of pure happiness and joy.
This phase eventually resolved itself, and to this day I feel a much greater appreciation for death, it's act and experience, and an extremely diminished fear of the pain and consequence of it. This has proven to be an extremely valuable insight. Make it through this and you will be a much stronger person.

As for tripping on the idea... I had two shroom trips during this period that related directly to death.
One was extremely profound and unexpected.
I was tripping alone in my bedroom. no lights, no music. Just me and the bed and the universe. About 15 minutes into the peak I experienced an extremely profound and startlingly sudden hallucination: I died.
This was not death as I imagined it. It was not romantic.
i simply froze. The world kept going but I was a static entity. Still technically in existence, but not capable of interacting with it. Not in the way a spirit cannot interact with the physical realm, no, this was experiencing what it was like to be a dead body. My eyes still refracted light and the neurons in my brain still interpreted it to some degree, but there was no new thought, only the experience my brain had known to that point, rehashed. It was as if an unthinking tree had eyes with which to observe the world. It is an experience, yes, but meaningless. The tree can do nothing with sight except to have it-- nor can a corpse.
I imagined myself as a suicide, hanging in a room. The experience was horrific and disturbing to the core.
I realized in that moment that the suicide's intention to end their existence do not play  out as planned. They are still technically perceiving the world as a corpse (as long as the corpse is fresh and the brain still able to interpret data), and witnessing their loved ones discovering their hanging body as they swing helpless in the air. They must watch and perceive as slowly their body decomposes, through their own eyes, as one by one neurons decay, cells die, until finally perception is lost and the corpse is no more.
I watched loved ones cry, my body taken down. I was preserved, placed into a coffin. My funeral was probably sad but I wouldn't know it--I was an unthinking but still perceiving corpse. Sadness and regret were there in some form, but like my dead brain it was static and irrelevant. A pitiful phantom.
I was in the dark, rotting. Thoughts faded as the brain decayed. I understood less and less. Before long, I was reduced to a few meek thoughts within myself--my eyes long since decayed, my higher functions all but ceased.

After this episode I rose from the bed and was Jesus reborn. I imagined a person dying while in the bathroom, and I screamed silently to myself "Just give me bread and water! All it needs is water and I can bring it back!!!"

That was an unforgettable experience.

If you want my recommendation, yes. Do it. But be wary.


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #19846579 - 04/14/14 10:54 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Well, nah, I'm pretty damn 100% sure that if your heart stops beating your brain stops working completely within a few minutes at the outside, after which you see nothing, perceive nothing, experience nothing - and if you have a mobile spirit it is already released and on it's way to rejoin that from which it came when you first became corporeal.  The dead people that can't be resuscitated are the people who have experienced neural decay and it's irreversible consequences. The ones that can be resuscitated often suffer brain damage as a result of their time spent without oxygen-perfused blood circulating in the brain.

I've had the brain freezes while tripping.  You can induce those with meditation.  Although a part of Buddhist practice is to envision your death, your body decaying and turning to dust, there's no expectation that you personally are ever going to "experience" this happening. It's just something that happens to your body, and at the time it happens you are not in any way using it anymore. The idea is to lose these fixations, but moreover to lose your attachment to your body, one of the roots of suffering. :shrug:

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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19846638 - 04/14/14 11:11 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Well, nah, I'm pretty damn 100% sure that if your heart stops beating your brain stops working completely within a few minutes at the outside, after which you see nothing, perceive nothing, experience nothing - and if you have a mobile spirit it is already released and on it's way to rejoin that from which it came when you first became corporeal.  The dead people that can't be resuscitated are the people who have experienced neural decay and it's irreversible consequences. The ones that can be resuscitated often suffer brain damage as a result of their time spent without oxygen-perfused blood circulating in the brain.

I've had the brain freezes while tripping.  You can induce those with meditation.  Although a part of Buddhist practice is to envision your death, your body decaying and turning to dust, there's no expectation that you personally are ever going to "experience" this happening. It's just something that happens to your body, and at the time it happens you are not in any way using it anymore. The idea is to lose these fixations, but moreover to lose your attachment to your body, one of the roots of suffering. :shrug:

:peace:PS

PS Welcome back Willy :thumbup:




I agree with you on scientific grounds, but after this experience I still leave room for the small possibility that when the brain dies it does not necessarily stop perceiving. This has not been tested by modern science, or even conceived.

At any rate I am not here to dish out facts or challenge opinions. I am giving someone my experiences that are relevant to their situation. This is a trip report of what I *felt*, not what I believe to be true.


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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #19846730 - 04/14/14 11:41 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I know what you mean.  I'd have tons of experiences with mushrooms that all felt really spiritual at the time, and yet there's only a common core of experience that recommends itself to me as having anything other than an illusory reality.  The stuff that happens repeatedly and that tends to resonate and operate out into the ordinary world strikes me as real.  The rest of it I wouldn't trust at all.  A dead brain is not a functioning brain.  This has been tested many times by science, BTW, starting with (perhaps apocryphally) Lavoisier when he was guillotined and intended to blink his eyes as a kind of transmission after the fact. 

But spirit - whatever it is - is not inherent in the brain, IME it's more like something that the brain serves as a host for, and when the brain dies the spirit is liberated, and whatever its been prepared for during life is the role that it's able to take on independently, in another realm altogether. I believe this to be true, based on numerous experiences of my own, but I can only demonstrate it indirectly.

Thank you for distinguishing between what you "felt" and what you believe to be true.  Now, what is it you believe to be true?

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Re: Depression Mushrooms and Death! [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19846785 - 04/14/14 11:59 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah, I know what you mean.  I'd have tons of experiences with mushrooms that all felt really spiritual at the time, and yet there's only a common core of experience that recommends itself to me as having anything other than an illusory reality.  The stuff that happens repeatedly and that tends to resonate and operate out into the ordinary world strikes me as real.  The rest of it I wouldn't trust at all.  A dead brain is not a functioning brain.  This has been tested many times by science, BTW, starting with (perhaps apocryphally) Lavoisier when he was guillotined and intended to blink his eyes as a kind of transmission after the fact. 

But spirit - whatever it is - is not inherent in the brain, IME it's more like something that the brain serves as a host for, and when the brain dies the spirit is liberated, and whatever its been prepared for during life is the role that it's able to take on independently, in another realm altogether. I believe this to be true, based on numerous experiences of my own, but I can only demonstrate it indirectly.

Thank you for distinguishing between what you "felt" and what you believe to be true.  Now, what is it you believe to be true?

:peace:PS




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