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I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development
#19402533 - 01/11/14 06:16 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Anybody have any experience with doing this?
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779] 2
#19402538 - 01/11/14 06:23 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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What if you find it was all a waste of time and you might as well have been sleeping with beautiful women rather than searching for answers to questions that there are no definite answers for?
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Into The Woods]
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The thing is, for me to even get to the point where I'm sleeping with beautiful women, I need to stifle my libido, because right now I'm at a point where I'm glancing at a screen and jacking off every day and it really drains my energy. My sexual energy is drained too and I don't even have an interest in beautiful women. I never recharge to the point where that interest is renewed. And the first step to me sleeping with a beautiful woman is getting a job, and I don't even have enough energy to do that right now.
That being said, it's been proven that there are different levels of meditation* and I'll be damned if I'm not going to reach the more advanced levels and I'm not going to let anything stop me, not even sex. So the major celibacy that you speak of is something that I'm confident in and I will probably go down that road. Don't be so dismissive.
*Jack Kornfield, "Intensive Insight Meditation: A Phenomenological Study," The Journal of Transpersonal Psychology, vol. 11, no. 1, 1979
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779] 2
#19402576 - 01/11/14 06:52 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I just really wish I was gay so it wouldn't be hard to obtain sex.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
#19402588 - 01/11/14 07:01 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Fair enough, man. It seems like you have more than one reason to do this.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
#19402633 - 01/11/14 07:18 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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In non-western medical traditions such as Ayurveda, Chinese or Tibetan medicine, it is widely known that retention of semen is a source of health, strength, vitality, and general well-being. The drain of energy that is felt after orgasm has a solid scientific basis. Moreover, the easily observable effect of the woman absorbing semen, becoming lively, energetic and happy, is evidence of the energy transmitted.
- See more at: http://sacred-sex.org/facts/articles/231-semen-retention.html#sthash.B4ch3BC1.dpuf
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#19402636 - 01/11/14 07:19 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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On a side note you could get an injection of Invega Sustenna... Shit kills my sex drive.
Edited by FishOilTheKid (01/11/14 08:37 AM)
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: FishOilTheKid] 1
#19403572 - 01/11/14 12:18 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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When i leave my room and stop playing with my miniature zen garden that my girlfriend made me I will link an interesting book that, if you do the exercise you can have as many orgasms as you want and never lose energy through ejaculation. It called the multi orgasmic man. To be honest I only went as far as controlling premature ejaculation... I have never had a non-ejaculatory orgasm. Still though, give it a try maybe.
Imo sex is not the enemy. Jerking it to porn is. Try to cut porn out of your diet if you can. Great sex with a person you really like can be a spiritual thing. Its like two tangled bodies becoming one. You don't need to go completely celibate, unless you really want to. Just stop watching porn and stop fapping and things will get easier when meditating and as a added plus you will find yourself more confident and better able to talk to pretty girls (or guys if that is you thing).
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Psilopsychosis]
#19403961 - 01/11/14 01:49 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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What ya gotta do is find a fellow woman who is into development. Then she sits on you while you're in a kind of lotus - making a twin lotus of sorts. You penetrate her and keep it erect while channeling energy. Then the two of you pop out of your bodies and travel the mysteries of the universe together - while the unattended bodies maintain penetration. Shamanic sex tantra
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Deckard_Cain]
#19403968 - 01/11/14 01:51 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Sounds epic.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#19404220 - 01/11/14 02:52 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Thanks for the INFO
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
#19404308 - 01/11/14 03:11 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Da2ra said: Anybody have any experience with doing this?
Get a hobby other than masturbation. One habit replaces another. A lot easier than trying something silly like going cold turkey. Just spend your time engrossed in something else. I use guitar and cooking personally.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Kickle]
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Deckard_Cain]
#19404578 - 01/11/14 04:20 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Deckard_Cain said: What ya gotta do is find a fellow woman who is into development. Then she sits on you while you're in a kind of lotus - making a twin lotus of sorts. You penetrate her and keep it erect while channeling energy. Then the two of you pop out of your bodies and travel the mysteries of the universe together - while the unattended bodies maintain penetration. Shamanic sex tantra 
Alwayys dreamed of this...
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: circastes]
#19404605 - 01/11/14 04:25 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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One thing about modern life that is fricken sweet. Saturday is grocery day and while I'm out I have my slow cooker running. Home made chili today
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
#19404812 - 01/11/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Any attempts I made to reduce my libido failed miserably, trying to control it only causes it to come back even stronger the moment you let your guard down. I eventually just gave up and accepted that there wasn't anything I could do.
However, during this time I also had a regular prayer and meditation practice. I was praying the Chaplet of St. Michael and the holy rosary of the blessed virgin Mary daily and I found that after about 7 months of this (plus fairly intensive meditation daily also) my overactive sex drive simply fell away and I became chaste. I was almost disappointed because I lost the ability to enjoy masturbation and things like that. I seldom even think about sex these days, maybe 2-3 times a day when it used to be every 5 minutes and the other difference is if I start getting sexual thoughts now if I have the option to ignore them and move on to something else whereas before the sexual thoughts used to control me and I could not get rid of them.
So anyway, forget about trying to control your sex drive. Simply put your heart and soul into a genuine puification practice like the Holy Rosary and watch your carnal desires fall away from you gradually. I was doing a lot of spiritual stuff, as I said, spiritual reading, meditation, various prayers so its hard for me to say which thing did what but I suspect the Chaplet of St. Michael and the Rosary were among the most purifying of my activities.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
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I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development
Spirituality is about inclusion, not exclusion. Learning to accept all of yourself.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#19405025 - 01/11/14 06:04 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I've seen spiritual literature talk about resisting one's sexual desires in order to go further on the path.
It's also undeniable that sex has a negative impact on some peoples' lives.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
#19405164 - 01/11/14 06:29 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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See yourself as that enlightened person then be him, you must advance spiritually to overcome sexual desire not the other way around. Hope this helps god bless
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Da2ra said: Anybody have any experience with doing this?
How old are you? I became celibate for up to 3 years at a time, at the wrong time - my 20s! It was the 1970s, and when psychedelia morphed into disco, and acid use gave over to Quaaludes and cocaine, it was easy to get laid at college. Some girls just took a 'lude.' and became lewd. Meanwhile, I was losing female friends because I was crazy (celibate). When I fell in love with a promiscuous girl who was destined to a lifetime of prostitution, out went my celibacy. I struggled with my sexual desires, and almost became a monastic! I entered a methodist seminary instead, and over those 2 years, I still managed to get laid now and then, but then I'd beat myself up for having poor self-control. But I was still in my 20s. Now, at 60, my libido is at its lowest, but I still have to keep my wife happy. Except for the occasional still-necessary milking of the Cowper's gland, I think I'm over sex. That doesn't mean that pics of beauties don't effect me, but even then, it's more head and heart, stare and gasp, than *Schwing*
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
#19405332 - 01/11/14 07:10 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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You know why I need to do this? Sex is a beautiful thing. My life has been ugly.* That drastic contrast creates painful tension. I need to dump the concept of sexual pleasure from my life.
*but no, I wasn't sexually violated when I was younger, that's not what I mean.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
#19405644 - 01/11/14 08:18 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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I posted Ina another thread about this recently...I haven't had an orgasm in a long damn time and I can't say it's any different from when I was masturbating 
"Life energy" or chi or whatever the hell some practices preach regarding sexual abstinence is bull shit I think.
Body and mind are two sides of the same coin. I think it's healthy for a mind to listen to the body..If your naturally a horny animal then why are you trying to deny what's natural to you?
Don't overthink this spirituality stuff..It's all abstract nothingness IMO.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
#19405717 - 01/11/14 08:39 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Da2ra said: Anybody have any experience with doing this?
Some reason my mind places a connotation of 'make someone unable to breath properly, suffocate' rather than stopping oneself from acting upon an emotion, when the word stifle is paired with libido...
Maybe you need some breath play, auto erotic asphyxiation
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Da2ra said: Anybody have any experience with doing this?
How old are you? I became celibate for up to 3 years at a time, at the wrong time - my 20s! It was the 1970s, and when psychedelia morphed into disco, and acid use gave over to Quaaludes and cocaine, it was easy to get laid at college. Some girls just took a 'lude.' and became lewd. Meanwhile, I was losing female friends because I was crazy (celibate). When I fell in love with a promiscuous girl who was destined to a lifetime of prostitution, out went my celibacy. I struggled with my sexual desires, and almost became a monastic! I entered a methodist seminary instead, and over those 2 years, I still managed to get laid now and then, but then I'd beat myself up for having poor self-control. But I was still in my 2os. Now, at 60, my libido is at its lowest, but I still have to keep my wife happy. Except for the occasional still-necessary milking of the Cowper's gland, I think I'm over sex. That doesn't mean that pics of beauties don't effect me, but even then, it's more head and heart, stare and gasp, than *Schwing*
Isn't it strange Marko's? I mean to feel like the sex thing has run it's course. I'm about there too.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
#19408128 - 01/12/14 12:22 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Here is that book I mentioned, for what it is worth.
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Try eating a lacto-vegetarian diet that contains neither onions nor garlic. Lots of spiritual traditions use this diet, including both yogic traditions, Jains, and most monastic Buddhist groups. You can easily obtain excellent nutrition this way, and the lack of meat, eggs, onions, and garlic greatly reduces stimulation of your sex drive - which in most people is unnaturally over-stimulated by their diet.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/037887419090049Y (In case your mind is screaming "give me the science this is bullshit")
I'm a relatively young man and eat this diet, have for many years. I have sex whenever my partner and I like and it's great, but have no intrusive desire for sex when it's not available. When I used to just eat whatever, I had a frequent intrusive desire for sex.
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I'm already 75% there, I just need to cut out the beef I eat and I was already planning on doing so. 
Thanks for uploading that book, Psilopsychosis.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
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Strange? No. It feels more like the beginning of the end - a quiet, sad, incredulity about it, that might be suppressing a deep-down panic. I have yet to try the Viagra sample my physician gave me. He said "Once you start, there's no going back."
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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You (both) are using the wrong drug for age reversion in my estimation. Make the wine/kratom go away as daily drivers, seek the hash oil pronto. IMO 60s will be my prime, and I'll still be hitting home runs throughout my 70s.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: hmmn]
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hmmn said: Try eating a lacto-vegetarian diet that contains neither onions nor garlic. Lots of spiritual traditions use this diet, including both yogic traditions, Jains, and most monastic Buddhist groups. You can easily obtain excellent nutrition this way, and the lack of meat, eggs, onions, and garlic greatly reduces stimulation of your sex drive - which in most people is unnaturally over-stimulated by their diet.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/037887419090049Y (In case your mind is screaming "give me the science this is bullshit")
I'm a relatively young man and eat this diet, have for many years. I have sex whenever my partner and I like and it's great, but have no intrusive desire for sex when it's not available. When I used to just eat whatever, I had a frequent intrusive desire for sex.
How is eating meat eggs onions and garlic unnatural. Not eating them would be imo.
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CosmicJoke said: You (both) are using the wrong drug for age reversion in my estimation. Make the wine/kratom go away as daily drivers, seek the hash oil pronto. IMO 60s will be my prime, and I'll still be hitting home runs throughout my 70s. 
This kind of claim is made by a foolish man imo. As if you know your future. Most of the stoners I knew are dead now.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
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Personally I make very little distinction between natural and artificial.
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CosmicJoke said: You (both) are using the wrong drug for age reversion in my estimation. Make the wine/kratom go away as daily drivers, seek the hash oil pronto. IMO 60s will be my prime, and I'll still be hitting home runs throughout my 70s. 
This kind of claim is made by a foolish man imo. As if you know your future. Most of the stoners I knew are dead now. 
right?
I will never again hear someone claim they plan to be at their best in their 60-70's
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Psilosopherr]
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The fact is we deteriorate with age.
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CosmicJoke said: You (both) are using the wrong drug for age reversion in my estimation. Make the wine/kratom go away as daily drivers, seek the hash oil pronto. IMO 60s will be my prime, and I'll still be hitting home runs throughout my 70s. 
This kind of claim is made by a foolish man imo. As if you know your future. Most of the stoners I knew are dead now. 
right?
I will never again hear someone claim they plan to be at their best in their 60-70's 
First, it's not a claim. It's an opinion, just as I stated. It can't be based on fact or knowledge, as something very well could go dramatically wrong with my plan, like death However, I can't say my ambitions are at all unreasonable. Laugh it up, but I have plenty of evidence to be optimistic and eager to continuously explore my sexuality with age. There's not even a hint of pessimism about it. Prime is all relative, and being at your best is all relative too - so if it's something you think can be statistically graphed, with x orgasms per week = most fulfilled, well, then obviously those changes to your body are going to be depressing. But I suspect there's a qualitatively different element of eroticism and fulfillment that will continue to grow in my life, and caring for my health and the right chemicals will give me my best shot at the rest.
I'm a gay man who lives in the city. We don't have age segregated gay bars in this town, and when I go out, I witness what all age groups are up to. I can say as fact that virtually all of the men of all ages participating in the nightlife here are getting a whole fuckin' lot of action. It's not so easy to judge who is the most sexually fulfilled and happiest, the shirtless, six-packed 21yos on the dance floor or the long white bearded old leather men with their motorcycles. They seem like they're getting a kick out of life, why would I set the bar any lower for myself?
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Life is hardly ever what it seems. (it seems)
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Life is hardly ever what it seems. (it seems)
Maybe some day I'll film a documentary interviewing these guys. They behave in a light and playful manner, unencumbered by some of the seriousness of surviving on a monetary level. I think youth is often wasted on the young often for this simple reason, as it's particularly what I judge as a major source of anxiety for many members here on this forum, with only a handful of exceptions.
I've seen similar things sexually with older straight men and women, particularly with the neo-pagan types at Burning Man/Starwood festival. Also with entheogens, I've seen a man in his mid 70s vape 33mg of DMT (may not be a McKenna dose, but is no means a small dose either imho) - his sense of expressiveness and enthusiasm and the philosophical rap we had showed me he was still very much in his psychedelic prime, he most hadn't outgrown them. I can't say for certain I'll be able to do that in my 70s, but I want to - it's not like I'm setting myself up to be a rigid enlightened master that has no passion for the best things life has to offer, and it's a reasonable possibility from what I've witnessed.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Hey I agree and more power to you if you make it. I've seen those guys at Burning Man. My favorites however were those trippers wandering alone in the night out there. (I was one). Those chance meetings stick in my mind better than most memories. I miss the Man (a lot) but I don't miss sweating it out in a tent and no sleep for a week. If I ever find some guys willing to go in on a camper trailer I'll make it back there.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
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I don't see 2-3 half glasses of wine per night having a detrimental effect on my libido. I haven't had hash oil since the early 1970s, and I wouldn't know where to find it in Miami anyway. One drop on the head of a pin, with the point of the pin heated in a glass pipe is how we took it, and I remember always coughing a lot (as well as getting really, really stoned). I've heard cannabis oil as being a regular panacea, but not for the changes that come to one's libido at age 60. The only thing I've witnessed drug-wise, are two gay men who could afford monthly $1200 injections of Human Growth Hormone (HGH). That stuff rejuvenates! One can buy it on-line for less, but you might get some Chinese man's pituitary extract from a brain that was infected with lethal Creutzfeldt-Jakob Syndrome. 
For years and years I wanted to be free of the nagging sexual desire. Now that it's waning, and ED becomes more prevalent such that I should probably take the blue pills my physician gave me, I object, when I should go with the flow. Maybe it's good. I went to the mall recently with my wife, and as I entered, I brought a smile to a gorgeous woman approaching me. The same thing happened in Target a couple of weeks ago when my eyes locked with a model-looking female. (1) I'm faithfully married, and (2) I'd only embarrass myself performance-wise with a much younger creature. It's nature's way of directing me to further detachment from the world at an age when it's appropriate that I do so, not during my 20s when my ideals were stoked by LSD inebriation. I used to want to be a sage or a saint, now, my death-anxiety has me longing to be a stud. Life has been bass ackward from the start.
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Da2ra said: Anybody have any experience with doing this?
My opinion on this is that you will find frustration and retarded development as a result of trying to deny what you are.
I don't believe in sin as anything that exists outside the relative sense and that relative sense is only what affects the body. Examples:
Hunger is bad, being well fed is good.
Abstinence is bad, seed sowing is good.
Pain is bad, pleasure is good.
If you ever want to frustrate, confuse, control, and utterly screw a person up then all you need to do is convince them that all those things are opposite in the eyes of god and give them the impossible goal of trying to make it so within themselves. That will assure their failure and their reliance upon a control structure for forgiveness and inspiration to continue their vain and futile efforts and so forth.
I don't see anything that could be called beneficial to the human organism or to the spiritual development of the human coming from the denial of human nature or natural functions. I can only see how it harms the specimen's psychological and spiritual functioning by becoming involved in such an experiment.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said: I don't see 2-3 half glasses of wine per night having a detrimental effect on my libido. I haven't had hash oil since the early 1970s, and I wouldn't know where to find it in Miami anyway. One drop on the head of a pin, with the point of the pin heated in a glass pipe is how we took it, and I remember always coughing a lot (as well as getting really, really stoned). I've heard cannabis oil as being a regular panacea, but not for the changes that come to one's libido at age 60. The only thing I've witnessed drug-wise, are two gay men who could afford monthly $1200 injections of Human Growth Hormone (HGH). That stuff rejuvenates! One can buy it on-line for less, but you might get some Chinese man's pituitary extract from a brain that was infected with lethal Creutzfeldt-Jakob Syndrome. 
For years and years I wanted to be free of the nagging sexual desire. Now that it's waning, and ED becomes more prevalent such that I should probably take the blue pills my physician gave me, I object, when I should go with the flow. Maybe it's good. I went to the mall recently with my wife, and as I entered, I brought a smile to a gorgeous woman approaching me. The same thing happened in Target a couple of weeks ago when my eyes locked with a model-looking female. (1) I'm faithfully married, and (2) I'd only embarrass myself performance-wise with a much younger creature. It's nature's way of directing me to further detachment from the world at an age when it's appropriate that I do so, not during my 20s when my ideals were stoked by LSD inebriation. I used to want to be a sage or a saint, now, my death-anxiety has me longing to be a stud. Life has been bass ackward from the start.
Well, I see a potential hindrance. I think this plan to have 2-3 glasses of wine and make love late in the night could be ignoring the natural rhythm of your body at this point in life. Try getting a good night's sleep, 'wake and bake' with a few hits of ganja (if your belief would permit the experiment), and go at it first thing in the morning. I think that might work better.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said: I don't see 2-3 half glasses of wine per night having a detrimental effect on my libido. I haven't had hash oil since the early 1970s, and I wouldn't know where to find it in Miami anyway. One drop on the head of a pin, with the point of the pin heated in a glass pipe is how we took it, and I remember always coughing a lot (as well as getting really, really stoned). I've heard cannabis oil as being a regular panacea, but not for the changes that come to one's libido at age 60. The only thing I've witnessed drug-wise, are two gay men who could afford monthly $1200 injections of Human Growth Hormone (HGH). That stuff rejuvenates! One can buy it on-line for less, but you might get some Chinese man's pituitary extract from a brain that was infected with lethal Creutzfeldt-Jakob Syndrome. 
For years and years I wanted to be free of the nagging sexual desire. Now that it's waning, and ED becomes more prevalent such that I should probably take the blue pills my physician gave me, I object, when I should go with the flow. Maybe it's good. I went to the mall recently with my wife, and as I entered, I brought a smile to a gorgeous woman approaching me. The same thing happened in Target a couple of weeks ago when my eyes locked with a model-looking female. (1) I'm faithfully married, and (2) I'd only embarrass myself performance-wise with a much younger creature. It's nature's way of directing me to further detachment from the world at an age when it's appropriate that I do so, not during my 20s when my ideals were stoked by LSD inebriation. I used to want to be a sage or a saint, now, my death-anxiety has me longing to be a stud. Life has been bass ackward from the start.
I find retirement to the opium (kratom) den to be preferable actually. At 61 you're not going to have sex for 5 or 6 hours every day. But you can nod every day like that and some of the rushes are very sexy.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Hey I agree and more power to you if you make it. I've seen those guys at Burning Man. My favorites however were those trippers wandering alone in the night out there. (I was one). Those chance meetings stick in my mind better than most memories. I miss the Man (a lot) but I don't miss sweating it out in a tent and no sleep for a week. If I ever find some guys willing to go in on a camper trailer I'll make it back there.
I know just what you mean, and I experience that to some extent in my city life too, often the best conversations I have are a matter of serendipity with random people I meet. Sadly, it's almost easier to jump into a wild philosophical conversation with a total stranger.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Still dealing with good and bad are we?
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icyus]
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Icyus said: Still dealing with good and bad are we?
Biologically relative terms. Its really what is perceived biologically that I am describing here. There is no penalty for those "sins" other than physical discomfort or perhaps eventually death. I don't know what other words to use to describe beneficial and nonbeneficial to the human organism to relay their perceived benefit or lack thereof in the context of a spiritual dialogue. You see, I'm not as well spoken as you so I end up using analogies a lot.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I had thought a long time there were pleasure and pain.. love and hate... fear and content.. and that they were all expereances to be had.. a full spectrum..
More so.. in my earlier years.. I would have though pain to be negative.. as it is hurtful.. but later I realized it to be the fear of pain that made it hurt, and the pain itself to be quite much like euphoria...
later I would be rather a hypocrite.. saying fear is bad, because it causes sickness... but I came to a realization that the fear of fear(strange as it may sound) makes it hurtful.. and the essense and feeling of fear itself it nothing but a rush... though as I came to fear less and less... It takes alot to get that same rush.. it takes alot to get that pain... I decided not to heal my fear of hights and social anxiety... it is but a part of life.. and very exiting.. I didnt change it. I only altered the way I percieved it, in a way...
the part with hunger being bad... death being bad.. it is only bad if one wishes to live. There one may percieve its relation.. if that makes sense.. praising life above death, I think it roots upon.. it is quite a preconcieved notion? Fear of the unknown to be specific.. one must realize, wonder, understand, reflect and alter. It helps not know anything if it isnt put to any use.. (even this.. a relative truth.. though in the context I meant it, be it understood or not.. Its relativity wouldnt have mattered.)
I guess, Wizard Dee, that one must carefully watch their words in order to rine accurateness.. even though most who read will not see the difference.. to be accurate in depicting truth, you must speak in the tongue of your converser, speaking as they might understand you... even though they most likely will not return the favor..
it ends up, once again in telepqthy.. it can be acchieved through altering the minds accordingly.. though this might be more like adjusting fractions rather than frequensies.. one to the first might be a houndred to the second. There is no need for specific words, because the understanding in wowen into the words like a painting rather than a code.. communication is a bitch, huh? I often find myself i the same seat.. wanting to say so much more, but lacking the words to do so..
maybe we should start writing down our feeling instead? I feel a little stopped and positive towards that. I feel understanding of its consequences.. changing the way we speak dramaticly, but I feel it is outweighed by the peace and joy I believe it will bring.. for those capable of staying in touch woth their feelinfs atleast..
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
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It's not about any belief regarding cannabis. I just don't use it because getting stoned is a state of consciousness that simply does not appeal to me, and hasn't for literally decades. I haves toked up upon awakening since I was 18 years old. My wife doesn't like morning sex, although I did pleasure her Sunday morning. But she doesn't feel it then, or she is too self-conscious about how she appears upon waking. What Ever. I don'y wake-with-wood anymore, which is something you will eventually discover yourself. When we first met, I was 43, and I remember going 6-7 times in one night with her. I was still very horny, she was a new love, and I was almost 20 years younger. Icelander was correct about the degradation of one's accustomed reality with age. This is one of the facts of life that young people just don't want to ponder. It is not a matter of me jamming myself, having a repressive belief, or not using the requisite substance. It is about the inevitable entropy that is over-taking my still toned, lightly muscled body that lends itself to a perception of a younger man on the outside. I used to pursue the "blissful, sexless highs" that poet Gary Snyder satirized in Turtle Island, in a poem entitled 'Pine Tree Tops.' Perhaps my second childhood should settle on the late adolescence that truly shaped my personality instead of the usual infantile regressive shit that most others settle into with their adult Depends® and such.
The ex acid-heads from the cities Converted to Guru or Swami, Do penance with shiny Dopey eyes, and quit eating meat. In the forests of North America, The land of Coyote and Eagle, They dream of India, of forever blissful sexless highs. And sleep in oil-heated Geodesic domes, that Were stuck like warts in the woods. And the Coyote singing is shut away for they fear the call of the wild. And they sold their virgin cedar trees, the tallest trees in miles, To a logger Who told them ”Trees are full of bugs.”
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
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No offense to you Icelander (I often joke to Rose about wanting to start using heroin), but I do not want to take the 'raptures of the deep' path that several psychedelic musician-pioneers did including JDM, Jimi Hendrix, and Jerry Garcia. In other words, a diver with raptures (nitrogen narcosis), doesn't know (or care) the difference between up and down, and have often dived deeper to their death instead of surfacing. "Been down so goddamned long, it looks like up to me..." These people made a U-turn, a 180° shift that took them out of expansion and into contraction, inspiration to expiration, light to dark, life to death. Perhaps increasing awareness of one's mortality leads many to shut down/off that awareness instead of shifting their sense of identity from the existential to the ontological, from life-in-the-body to Being, a la Eckhart Tolle. This seems the more straight-forward, take-the-bull-by-its-horns approach to the human condition. I would prefer to pierce this 'vale of tears' with dispassionate insight (gnosis/jnana) than suppress the anxiety with anxiolytic drugs.
Less and less do I care about rushes, getting off (sexually, psychedelically, narcotically), blissing out, getting high, turning on, or being stoned. I'm still curious and so I read, and I still want to take care of my Lady, but I've begun to withdraw from life on a whole new level, and won't use drugs unless this painful lesion on my arm turns out to be cancerous, or if today's blood work induces my physician to order an ultrasound of my liver (as my last enzyme test was elevated). I'm insisting on a biopsy tomorrow, so we'll see if the best laid plans are to be undone. Then I'll order some kratom.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
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MarkostheGnostic said: I don't see 2-3 half glasses of wine per night having a detrimental effect on my libido. I haven't had hash oil since the early 1970s, and I wouldn't know where to find it in Miami anyway. One drop on the head of a pin, with the point of the pin heated in a glass pipe is how we took it, and I remember always coughing a lot (as well as getting really, really stoned). I've heard cannabis oil as being a regular panacea, but not for the changes that come to one's libido at age 60. The only thing I've witnessed drug-wise, are two gay men who could afford monthly $1200 injections of Human Growth Hormone (HGH). That stuff rejuvenates! One can buy it on-line for less, but you might get some Chinese man's pituitary extract from a brain that was infected with lethal Creutzfeldt-Jakob Syndrome. 
For years and years I wanted to be free of the nagging sexual desire. Now that it's waning, and ED becomes more prevalent such that I should probably take the blue pills my physician gave me, I object, when I should go with the flow. Maybe it's good. I went to the mall recently with my wife, and as I entered, I brought a smile to a gorgeous woman approaching me. The same thing happened in Target a couple of weeks ago when my eyes locked with a model-looking female. (1) I'm faithfully married, and (2) I'd only embarrass myself performance-wise with a much younger creature. It's nature's way of directing me to further detachment from the world at an age when it's appropriate that I do so, not during my 20s when my ideals were stoked by LSD inebriation. I used to want to be a sage or a saint, now, my death-anxiety has me longing to be a stud. Life has been bass ackward from the start.
I find retirement to the opium (kratom) den to be preferable actually. At 61 you're not going to have sex for 5 or 6 hours every day. But you can nod every day like that and some of the rushes are very sexy.
Are you saying that opium and or heroin are a good drug for older people?
If so, I totally agree. They have sso many aches and pains, they deserve to have access to it.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Meh. I'm pretty sure I know about my body degrading, I've been nearly legally blind since 7yo and have yearly ticks in my eyeglass prescription. It's atrocious at -7.0, and I'm but 33yo. I suppose I could just accept my destiny that my body is going to continually degrade and not have my vision corrected, but honestly I prefer sight and thank optometry. I don't see how that would be any different w/ my sexual organs, other than some people who wrote some book telling me that at a certain age I'm supposed to forget about sex and make a last ditch effort at enlightenment before I croak as to not transmigrate.
I think I'll just do that right now, get free, and enjoy the rest of my life as I see fit.
If you don't like the cannabis high (which is qualitatively different than being stoned, much like a couple half glasses of wine is qualitatively different than smooshed off a bottle of Jameson), well, I can't argue that. If it did work in bed for you, I think you might change your mind. Doesn't mean you'd have to act like an 18yo getting stoned out of your gourd all waking hours.
I do encourage some experimentation though, I mean, the sex in the morning thing isn't purely a matter of waking up with morning wood. It's about having gotten a full night's rest, you'll be more apt to rise to the occasion. If none of that interests you, here's one vote for the blue pill. That's my plan, I've relied on science and medicine my whole life. I'm just hoping between a nearly vegan diet, briskly walking no less than 4 miles, and meditation, that I'll never need any lame psychoactive pharmaceuticals, opiods, 'restless leg disease' medicines etc. An erection in a pill doesn't seem so unreasonable.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said: No offense to you Icelander (I often joke to Rose about wanting to start using heroin), but I do not want to take the 'raptures of the deep' path that several psychedelic musician-pioneers did including JDM, Jimi Hendrix, and Jerry Garcia. In other words, a diver with raptures (nitrogen narcosis), doesn't know (or care) the difference between up and down, and have often dived deeper to their death instead of surfacing. "Been down so goddamned long, it looks like up to me..." These people made a U-turn, a 180° shift that took them out of expansion and into contraction, inspiration to expiration, light to dark, life to death. Perhaps increasing awareness of one's mortality leads many to shut down/off that awareness instead of shifting their sense of identity from the existential to the ontological, from life-in-the-body to Being, a la Eckhart Tolle. This seems the more straight-forward, take-the-bull-by-its-horns approach to the human condition. I would prefer to pierce this 'vale of tears' with dispassionate insight (gnosis/jnana) than suppress the anxiety with anxiolytic drugs.
Less and less do I care about rushes, getting off (sexually, psychedelically, narcotically), blissing out, getting high, turning on, or being stoned. I'm still curious and so I read, and I still want to take care of my Lady, but I've begun to withdraw from life on a whole new level, and won't use drugs unless this painful lesion on my arm turns out to be cancerous, or if today's blood work induces my physician to order an ultrasound of my liver (as my last enzyme test was elevated). I'm insisting on a biopsy tomorrow, so we'll see if the best laid plans are to be undone. Then I'll order some kratom.
Heroin is the last place I want to end up. Kratom is a much much much better choice and actually has strong antioxidant health benefits. Even though the addiction from it is very mild compared to other opiate types I still have plans to kick and only use once or twice a week. I'm now researching nootropics and such to fill in the gaps in a healthy way. I've come across some potentially great substances that I have just ordered for experimentation. All perfectly legal which removes that hassle. PM me if you want to know more. Nootropics are great for the aging brain as they are neuroprotective and can increase concentration and retention.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
#19418244 - 01/14/14 04:51 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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I take Piracetam with Choline, on M, W, and F. I use Acetyl L-Carnitine on T, Th. On Saturday, I was using Pramiracetam that was a gift from Shroomerite Anominis when he visited us. When that began to run out, I purchased some more on line, but instead of inducing me to read for 6-7 hours, it seems to have made me sleepy. So I bought some Sulbutiamine, which was said to catalyze more of an effect (but it didn't seem to). I'm still on the M-F routine though. It seems important to take extra Choline with the racetam noogenics. I also take 100 mg of L-Theanine for taking the edge off normal anxiety, and 200 mg if I'm particularly unnerved. I came home to find a message from my physician's office that my AST liver enzyme came back elevated. That alternate with my ASL enzyme being elevated. So anyway, he wants me to have an ultrasound of my liver to check for a lesion. I'm hoping the elevation was from having done a vigorous workout, since muscle damage can result in such elevation (and I have some residual aches and pains). At any rate, my death-anxiety will now increase until I (hopefully) turn up a negative result.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#19418472 - 01/14/14 05:30 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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I'm trying out.
Noopept
Phenibut
Baicalin
Oleamide
Magnolia Bark Extract
L-Theanine
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#19418539 - 01/14/14 05:42 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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I hope so MtG. Now that you're retired, I wish you at a decade or two of totally light, playful, intellectual fun, and not the fight of your life. Life is probably more scary than death, as you recently linked a post on FB by Ram Dass about how death is absolutely safe. Maybe you're more worried about spending the rest of your life in an increasingly painful limbo - a decade or two of that may as well be eternity. I know you said your dad lived to a very old age, surviving an endless series of serious health complications... But look at that Ram Dass character, he survived this massive stroke and many health complications, yet still has written a couple books, I attended a 4hr workshop of his, and experienced an uncanny high when meeting him.
My hope for you is that once you're a very old man, if diagnosed with a big illness, you could go up onto a mountain to spend your days quietly, contemplatively phasing out of the material world. But now you have plenty of attachments, a wife etc., things you desire to live for. My bet is you'll fight for it, and likely be around for a good bit of time. I just hope nothing puts a squeeze on your consciousness, and I don't think any bad news would necessarily have to.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19418953 - 01/14/14 06:49 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ah...You're waxing more morbid than is necessary. My physician tends to be overly cautious, and I'm hoping that is all that's going on. I feel fine, and my other numbers are probably in range. They were in July. My mind creates the worst possible scenario. Please don't add to it. One does not need to remove oneself from one's karmic predicament to practice detachment, but I'd prefer to die later than sooner. My dad lived to 86, but his uncle lived to 106.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#19419028 - 01/14/14 07:02 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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Oh, I am most certainly not a medical practitioner, and biopsies in relationship to liver lesions are next to meaningless to me. I thought you were worried about something that seemed obvious in my mind, particularly when you were talking about death anxiety, but clearly wasn't. I really do apologize for that dude.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#19419088 - 01/14/14 07:12 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: Ah...You're waxing more morbid than is necessary. My physician tends to be overly cautious, and I'm hoping that is all that's going on. I feel fine, and my other numbers are probably in range. They were in July. My mind creates the worst possible scenario. Please don't add to it. One does not need to remove oneself from one's karmic predicament to practice detachment, but I'd prefer to die later than sooner. My dad lived to 86, but his uncle lived to 106.
Just have your liver removed. Then you won't have to worry about it. They are about as necessary as your appendix or so I've heard. 
My brother in law just got the word today that his fight against chemotherapy (er I mean cancer) is lost. They give him a couple weeks to a couple months. They still want him to do more chemo though. IMO they make psychopaths look like the fairy godmother.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
#19419106 - 01/14/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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Or maybe trade your heart in for another liver so you can drink more and care less 
The dude wants levity, let's give it to him.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19419241 - 01/14/14 07:38 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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Marko's is a really really old man now. He can't have much longer is my guess Maybe we should write out his obituary to get a jump on things. We could embellish a tad here and there just to make it sound like his life was somewhat interesting.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
#19419321 - 01/14/14 07:51 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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Icelander said: Marko's is a really really old man now. He can't have much longer is my guess Maybe we should write out his obituary to get a jump on things. We could embellish a tad here and there just to make it sound like his life was somewhat interesting. 
His epitaph will read:
Impeccable Diamond Body Liver Buffet - $2.22 @ Cafe Gnostica
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19420265 - 01/14/14 11:13 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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not bad
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19420360 - 01/14/14 11:30 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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Cute, but I didn't mean to confuse the skin lesion (which turned out to be an Inflammatory Papilloma, and not another skin cancer). I received a shot of corticosteroid in it and a topical medication. The other thing is for a non-invasive ultrasound scan of my liver, which I DO find disturbing, but not as disturbing as a spot that would have to be biopsied. I do like the epitaph, sort of, especially the 2.22. Not gonna have a tombstone or a bronze plaque, and I don't have any heirs to keep my ashes in my Buddhist stupa. But, quite right, I AM feeling old this week.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Icelander]
#19420417 - 01/14/14 11:38 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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I'm sorry for him. I think I'd let the cancer take it's course rather than destroy my immune system - one's only chance for surviving - with chemo or radiation. Then I WOULD use whatever drugs I could get my hands on. I'd rather go out in various states of inebriation than nauseated, vomiting, shitting myself (all which could happen from the disease, but worse from the horrible poisons). I've always said I wanted to die tripping, but on my last trip, I thought I was dying and it wasn't pleasant. Of course, it would be different if I Knew I was dying and getting psychedelic for detachment and dissociation. I'm also sorry that your brother-in-law doesn't have medical recourse to pharmaceutical LSD or Psilocybin. I hope that MAPS eventually wins the day for many of us with end-of-life anxiety.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#19420424 - 01/14/14 11:40 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: Cute, but I didn't mean to confuse the skin lesion (which turned out to be an Inflammatory Papilloma, and not another skin cancer). I received a shot of corticosteroid in it and a topical medication. The other thing is for a non-invasive ultrasound scan of my liver, which I DO find disturbing, but not as disturbing as a spot that would have to be biopsied. I do like the epitaph, sort of, especially the 2.22. Not gonna have a tombstone or a bronze plaque, and I don't have any heirs to keep my ashes in my Buddhist stupa. But, quite right, I AM feeling old this week.
Looking over it, I now see that you had said that YOU were the one who was insisting on the biopsy tomorrow. It was my skimming that lead to a different reaction I had that misplaced, thought it was doctor's orders. Puts it in an entirely different perspective, where your personal death anxiety makes more sense in perspective.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19420465 - 01/14/14 11:46 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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No problem CJ. I didn't need to have this skin lesion biopsied. I WAS going to ask for that if he just wanted to freeze it off with liquid nitrogen. However, it didn't appear to be a squamous cell or basal cell carcinoma, or a melanoma. Florida sun, even for the 13 years that I rarely applied sunscreen, has done enough damage. Now I'm more like a vampire in my avoidance of the sun, especially during summer. I go to beach at night to watch the full moon rise spring and summer. I haven't been in the ocean since 1996. I'm over Florida, except that I can comfortably drag the garbage bin out to the street in my under ware in January - at night of course.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#19420597 - 01/15/14 12:06 AM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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Oy, yet still I've had troubles comprehending that first post.... Now I suspect I get it. I will lay off alcohol starting manana. I see now a painful lesion on arm, and blood work that may lead to an ultrasound of liver = nervous....and wanting a biopsy on arm. Gotcha now methinks...
What I had read was that the doctor wanted biopsy due to elevated enzymes in liver = nervous about the big C in liver. ~~~ edit:
UFOs
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19428518 - 01/16/14 02:54 PM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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Da2ra said: Anybody have any experience with doing this?
My opinion on this is that you will find frustration and retarded development as a result of trying to deny what you are.
I don't believe in sin as anything that exists outside the relative sense and that relative sense is only what affects the body. Examples:
Hunger is bad, being well fed is good.
Abstinence is bad, seed sowing is good.
Pain is bad, pleasure is good.
If you ever want to frustrate, confuse, control, and utterly screw a person up then all you need to do is convince them that all those things are opposite in the eyes of god and give them the impossible goal of trying to make it so within themselves. That will assure their failure and their reliance upon a control structure for forgiveness and inspiration to continue their vain and futile efforts and so forth.
I don't see anything that could be called beneficial to the human organism or to the spiritual development of the human coming from the denial of human nature or natural functions. I can only see how it harms the specimen's psychological and spiritual functioning by becoming involved in such an experiment.
This. Of course indulging in natural human desires to excess is detrimental as well. The Middle Way is best.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: deCypher]
#19428539 - 01/16/14 02:58 PM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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I am all for balance. One just need to know what it is to be balanced, and with what.
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Re: I think I need to stifle my libido for my spiritual development [Re: s240779]
#19430666 - 01/16/14 09:55 PM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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Da2ra said: Anybody have any experience with doing this?
I practiced some bramacharia effectively for 7 months. But I want to be cultural. Give me erotic movies and explicit music. I will not ditch The Cramps for bramacharia, so I had to ditch bramacharia. I loved the experience though, as there were all these actual, sometimes effective teks, unlike christianity, where all you get is "don't do or think anything natural because its bad".
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