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Invisibleteknix
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Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . .
    #19401965 - 01/11/14 12:53 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Treat others how they treat you.

Which one do you think is more adequate and why?


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: teknix]
    #19401986 - 01/11/14 12:58 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Do what you want each moment would be my choice.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: teknix]
    #19401988 - 01/11/14 12:59 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Certainly the first, because it yields greater benefit to people as a whole.  This assume that you want to be treated well, but receive mixed treatment from others...I imagine one day it won't be a meaningful distinction because everyone will treat each other well and we'll all live in blissful harmony. :nyan:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: hmmn] * 2
    #19401992 - 01/11/14 01:00 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

:lol:  Good one.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: hmmn]
    #19401996 - 01/11/14 01:01 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I agree. :thumbup:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: teknix]
    #19401999 - 01/11/14 01:02 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

If you treat others how they treat you, that wouldn't be very productive.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: suniced]
    #19402017 - 01/11/14 01:13 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Unless (hypothetically) everyone treats you well.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: teknix]
    #19402021 - 01/11/14 01:14 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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teknix said:
Unless (hypothetically) everyone treats you well.



true.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: suniced]
    #19402620 - 01/11/14 07:14 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

:satansmoking:

I think this looks good on paper but in reality I don't know how much. I mean who is really gonna keep loaning stuff to someone who never returns it? Are you supposed to be a sucker like 3 because you would want someone to let you borrow stuff even if you know they aren't going to return it?

Who would really just stand there and get beat up without trying to defend themselves? It seems like it could be an exploitable weakness.

Those who don't subscribe to the philosophy would be at an advantage, because they can take advantage of those who do, and in turn become much more wealth and have more power and say in how the world is run.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: suniced]
    #19402679 - 01/11/14 07:46 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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If you treat others how they treat you, that wouldn't be very productive.




it is even worse .. all this religious ramblings if you take time to look at it you would see how it all mean evil powers consciously

being like what others look being with you ??? it is clearly all to fake life forces ..

while being conscious is for conscious being true .. for freedom to be out positive source really out of any right self being

while doing what others seem to mean doing, is to get stuck with others to justify itself result out ... and keep rambling blablabla about nothing real ... endlessly
but mostly it is about to never be in relation with objective facts .. keep it subjective for gods and powers over the grounds getting all positive objective existence ends

like now.. hearing all over.. we are one all for god .. what crap ..
when god by definition has already everything how such a negative life mess of being positive is also for him ??


Edited by absols (01/11/14 07:51 AM)


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: teknix]
    #19402774 - 01/11/14 08:36 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

others are part of self anyway
there is no separation


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: Icelander]
    #19402783 - 01/11/14 08:39 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Icelander said:
Do what you want each moment would be my choice.




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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19402801 - 01/11/14 08:47 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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others are part of self anyway
there is no separation




no others cant be part of any self

we are as selves determined by everything .. what we do don't make us what we are .. what we are is the end of what we do for everything and out from it live

it looks like what you are saying is from what you recall being god.. powerful evil entity able to mess with existence facts and force fake things out of creations life to be conscious
but then you are all that god like you think, and not what others selves are or any true self being

anyways, true self or self being is by definition unique value .. any self being true .. so others cant be because of it on the contrary ... true self beings are free ... and freedom is nothing objectively and is never a source of else or others freedoms

while only objective positive value is a reason of free wills


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: hmmn]
    #19403155 - 01/11/14 10:40 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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hmmn said:
Certainly the first, because it yields greater benefit to people as a whole.  This assume that you want to be treated well, but receive mixed treatment from others...I imagine one day it won't be a meaningful distinction because everyone will treat each other well and we'll all live in blissful harmony. :nyan:




So when you gave me a zero rating last night, you must have really wanted one for yourself, because you want to treat others how you want to be treated....

Well sorry, no zero rating for you :sorry:.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19403864 - 01/11/14 01:25 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

lol :crazy2:
lets rate each others :fonda:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: absols]
    #19404563 - 01/11/14 04:17 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

:lol:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: teknix] * 1
    #19405850 - 01/11/14 09:10 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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:satansmoking:

I think this looks good on paper but in reality I don't know how much. I mean who is really gonna keep loaning stuff to someone who never returns it? Are you supposed to be a sucker like 3 because you would want someone to let you borrow stuff even if you know they aren't going to return it?

Who would really just stand there and get beat up without trying to defend themselves? It seems like it could be an exploitable weakness.

Those who don't subscribe to the philosophy would be at an advantage, because they can take advantage of those who do, and in turn become much more wealth and have more power and say in how the world is run.




Yeah...this is part of why I believe neither option is ideal.  There are many other ways to approach ethics!  I believe a better approach is to act so as to maximize the benefit for everyone involved.  This is much more complex than simply treating others as one would like to be treated or as they treat you; it requires that one consider the many effects that various actions might have on oneself and a potentially vast set of others.

What I like about this approach is that I can apply to just about any action I might take, that it always leads to genuine attempts to do good, and that it often leads to good actions; when it fails to produce a good action, it at least leads to a learning experience.  It also avoids the pitfalls of "treat others as you would have them treat you" and other simplistic approaches to ethics in human interaction.  If somebody is trying to kill me for no good reason, I would try to stop them with violence with no contradiction to my ethics! :nyan:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: hmmn]
    #19405905 - 01/11/14 09:26 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

So you're more concerned with intent or motive rather than the outcome?

It is kind of impossible to determine the outcome of every situation further then the most immediate future.

I think if someone was even trying to kill you for a good reason you would still try to stop them.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19405909 - 01/11/14 09:27 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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CosmicJoke said:
Quote:

hmmn said:
Certainly the first, because it yields greater benefit to people as a whole.  This assume that you want to be treated well, but receive mixed treatment from others...I imagine one day it won't be a meaningful distinction because everyone will treat each other well and we'll all live in blissful harmony. :nyan:




So when you gave me a zero rating last night, you must have really wanted one for yourself, because you want to treat others how you want to be treated....

Well sorry, no zero rating for you :sorry:.



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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19406461 - 01/12/14 12:31 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

wow hmm really played you


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: teknix]
    #19406564 - 01/12/14 01:20 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

At first I treat everyone good (as I would like to be treated), same with trust.
BUT, I rarely give a second chance :evil:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19407026 - 01/12/14 05:57 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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Quote:

hmmn said:
Certainly the first, because it yields greater benefit to people as a whole.  This assume that you want to be treated well, but receive mixed treatment from others...I imagine one day it won't be a meaningful distinction because everyone will treat each other well and we'll all live in blissful harmony. :nyan:




So when you gave me a zero rating last night, you must have really wanted one for yourself, because you want to treat others how you want to be treated....

Well sorry, no zero rating for you :sorry:.




I took you off of ignore, wasn't that good enough?


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: teknix]
    #19407054 - 01/12/14 06:14 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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So you're more concerned with intent or motive rather than the outcome?

It is kind of impossible to determine the outcome of every situation further then the most immediate future.

I think if someone was even trying to kill you for a good reason you would still try to stop them.




Hmmm...yeah, I was thinking about these extreme cases too.  I think the rate of error in any ethical system increases alongside risk to one's well-being.  So...perhaps my extreme example is not so good.  Also, if someone has a good reason to kill me I'm pretty sure I've already failed to behave ethically. :rofl:

Perhaps a better example would be a case in which someone is known to be stealing from you.  If my approach to ethics is to treat others as they treat me, I'm only going to make this worse (by stealing from them).  If I'm committed to treating others as I would like to be treated, I'm probably going to be a pacifist about it; at best, I might ask them to stop.  This is no good as it makes you easy to take advantage of and, if widely practiced, encourages bad behavior.

If my approach to ethics is to act so as to maximize benefit to everyone involved, I'm not going to let somebody steal from me.  It's no good for them - though I might tolerate it, this person is going to learn the hard way that stealing doesn't work out eventually - and it's no good for me. :shrug:

If it's an acquaintance who's stealing something relatively small, it'd probably be best to talk to the person, see if I can help them with money trouble or whatever, and let them know what to expect if they keep stealing from me (e.g. retaliation).  If it's a large entity stealing lots of money for questionable purposes (e.g. the IRS), then its a matter of evading theft and retaining ownership of my wealth so that it can be used for better purposes.  Treating others as I'd like to be treated probably implies pacifism here, and treating others as they treat me would put me in prison fast.

Doesn't it seem like in these examples, neither of the approaches in the OP will yield satisfactory results?  Wouldn't my suggested approach have better results? :cookiemonster:

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p.s.  Of course, there is great uncertainty in trying to choose actions for the purpose of bringing about an intended future state.  I would argue that while my proposed approach to ethics in human interaction can lead to errors caused by uncertainty, the other proposed approaches to ethics will yield worse results through their lack of any attempt to consider the possible results of the actions they inform.  What do you think?  Am I full of it? :rofl:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19407074 - 01/12/14 06:28 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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Quote:

CosmicJoke said:
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hmmn said:
Certainly the first, because it yields greater benefit to people as a whole.  This assume that you want to be treated well, but receive mixed treatment from others...I imagine one day it won't be a meaningful distinction because everyone will treat each other well and we'll all live in blissful harmony. :nyan:




So when you gave me a zero rating last night, you must have really wanted one for yourself, because you want to treat others how you want to be treated....

Well sorry, no zero rating for you :sorry:.




I took you off of ignore, wasn't that good enough?




Haha...I had CosmicJoke on ignore too; had to take him off as this was too confusing.

Cosmic, you were being such a dick that it really unsettled me.  To be honest, I still expect you to be a dick and will probably put you back on ignore shortly.  I don't always behave by the ethical standards I believe are best; I'm a human being, and a relatively confused one at that.  At the very least, though, I have not and will not intentionally harm people on this beautiful forum, whose broader purpose is to bring together a small set of the psychedelic community..  This is not to say that I won't attempt to tear apart others' ideas where appropriate. :rofl:  I hope that you will one day hold yourself to a similar minimal standard of ethical behavior here.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: hmmn]
    #19407080 - 01/12/14 06:31 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Ethics is a luxury.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: Jaegar]
    #19407113 - 01/12/14 06:48 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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Ethics is a luxury.




I think you mean "Ethics are a luxury," young man.

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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: hmmn] * 2
    #19407156 - 01/12/14 07:04 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

you do need a nice armchair


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: hmmn] * 1
    #19407195 - 01/12/14 07:25 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Jaegar said:
Ethics is a luxury.




I think you mean "Ethics are a luxury," young man.

:stayfunky:



Speaking about being a dick.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19407213 - 01/12/14 07:32 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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liquidlounge said:
Quote:

hmmn said:
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Jaegar said:
Ethics is a luxury.




I think you mean "Ethics are a luxury," young man.

:stayfunky:



Speaking about being a dick.






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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: hmmn]
    #19407355 - 01/12/14 08:37 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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Haha...I had CosmicJoke on ignore too; had to take him off as this was too confusing.

Cosmic, you were being such a dick that it really unsettled me.  To be honest, I still expect you to be a dick and will probably put you back on ignore shortly.  I don't always behave by the ethical standards I believe are best; I'm a human being, and a relatively confused one at that.  At the very least, though, I have not and will not intentionally harm people on this beautiful forum, whose broader purpose is to bring together a small set of the psychedelic community..  This is not to say that I won't attempt to tear apart others' ideas where appropriate. :rofl:  I hope that you will one day hold yourself to a similar minimal standard of ethical behavior here.




I was never out to harm ya though, just trying to get into Ice's peculiar headspace, see what he thought motivated a trite word of encouragement, and why he believed them to be damaging... So I was speculating with him, working from his vantage point, trying to see things his way for a moment, and though you kickstarted that conversation, it had nothing to do with you.

I did not see your response as out of the ordinary, it's what people tend to do.  We don't know the OP, so it's hard to offer personal encouragement, it all tends to read like a hallmark card (which might have been exactly what the OP was looking for, for all I know).

I'm sorry I mortally offended you, was not on my list of things to do that day.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19407370 - 01/12/14 08:42 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

So why are you such a dick?



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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19407660 - 01/12/14 10:15 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Because it's the spirit of PP&S....

Which imho, can be summed up as juggling act between being lucid, a dick, funny, and big-hearted.

Part of the reason we're here is to be upfront about our negative opinions, without making them personalisms.  I've somehow managed to do that without so much as a warning for 14yrs now. :shrug:


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19407758 - 01/12/14 10:38 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

I've somehow managed to do that without so much as a warning for 14yrs now. :shrug:

With 4k posts, not that impressive. Based on your skeptic approach, 0 ignored by is impressive IMO.

I have several warnings and two bans.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19407795 - 01/12/14 10:48 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

I've been tempted to put you on ignore, but never due to your beliefs.  It's mostly when you hold long, incomprehensible conversations with yourself spanning multiple threads and bumping all of them repeatedly in succession.  Even then, I've let it slide.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19407847 - 01/12/14 10:59 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

I don't care who you put on ignore but rather the lack of butthurt people putting you on ignore.

Even then, I've let it slide.

Do you expect me to thank you now?


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19407906 - 01/12/14 11:15 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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I don't care who you put on ignore but rather the lack of butthurt people putting you on ignore.

Even then, I've let it slide.

Do you expect me to thank you now?





:lol: Hardly, but I was suggesting that people weren't actually putting you on ignore because they were butt hurt by something you had said.  I think there are other reasons, see above.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19407932 - 01/12/14 11:21 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

So you felt like I attacked you? Since you want to divert the focus from yourself on me instead.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19407951 - 01/12/14 11:31 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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So you felt like I attacked you? Since you want to divert the focus from yourself on me instead.




You made yourself a topic by contrasting your own rap sheet with mine, so I gave yours a moment of consideration.  I'm still curious about the said phenomenon and was hoping you'd be more open to discuss what was going on with that, but it's not so important, just as none of this conversation has been.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19408053 - 01/12/14 12:02 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

You made yourself a topic by contrasting your own rap sheet with mine, so I gave yours a moment of consideration.

Fair enough, I forgot that I mentioned my rap sheet. :cheers:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19408072 - 01/12/14 12:06 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Anyways, I see what you were looking for now.  I'm not precisely sure what you think my secret to not being ignored is.  This is a forum orientated around debating, it's for people who on some level like to disagree with one another.  We're not precisely the type of people who get into an argument and never want to talk to each other again. 

So, if you don't make it personal, people generally will keep on arguing with you.  You can sort of worm your way around the rules by being snarky, condescending, using degrading emoticons and such, as they often don't break the rules, but it's devoid of honest self-awareness and only serves to stroke one's ego, and I'm sure it will result in more people putting you on ignore.  If you just stick to arguing though, it can be pretty mean, and though it may not reveal an unassailable truth, it's still a viable vantage point.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19408173 - 01/12/14 12:33 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

CosmicJoke going ham in this thread. :yesnod:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19408199 - 01/12/14 12:42 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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CosmicJoke going ham in this thread. :yesnod:




Moi?  :nicesmile:

Nice avatar by the way, God I love this song.



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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19408263 - 01/12/14 12:58 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Anyways, I see what you were looking for now.  I'm not precisely sure what you think my secret to not being ignored is.  This is a forum orientated around debating, it's for people who on some level like to disagree with one another.  We're not precisely the type of people who get into an argument and never want to talk to each other again. 

So, if you don't make it personal, people generally will keep on arguing with you.  You can sort of worm your way around the rules by being snarky, condescending, using degrading emoticons and such, as they often don't break the rules, but it's devoid of honest self-awareness and only serves to stroke one's ego, and I'm sure it will result in more people putting you on ignore.  If you just stick to arguing though, it can be pretty mean, and though it may not reveal an unassailable truth, it's still a viable vantage point.



Feel good types are often prone to ignore skeptics or cynics as they like to call them. Just look at the amount of people ignoring regular skeptics in PS&P.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19408429 - 01/12/14 01:45 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Because it's the spirit of PP&S....

Which imho, can be summed up as juggling act between being lucid, a dick, funny, and big-hearted.

Part of the reason we're here is to be upfront about our negative opinions, without making them personalisms.  I've somehow managed to do that without so much as a warning for 14yrs now. :shrug:




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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19408437 - 01/12/14 01:47 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Quote:

CosmicJoke said:
Anyways, I see what you were looking for now.  I'm not precisely sure what you think my secret to not being ignored is.  This is a forum orientated around debating, it's for people who on some level like to disagree with one another.  We're not precisely the type of people who get into an argument and never want to talk to each other again. 

So, if you don't make it personal, people generally will keep on arguing with you.  You can sort of worm your way around the rules by being snarky, condescending, using degrading emoticons and such, as they often don't break the rules, but it's devoid of honest self-awareness and only serves to stroke one's ego, and I'm sure it will result in more people putting you on ignore.  If you just stick to arguing though, it can be pretty mean, and though it may not reveal an unassailable truth, it's still a viable vantage point.



Feel good types are often prone to ignore skeptics or cynics as they like to call them. Just look at the amount of people ignoring regular skeptics in PS&P.




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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19408533 - 01/12/14 02:09 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Quote:

Grapefruit said:
CosmicJoke going ham in this thread. :yesnod:




Moi?  :nicesmile:

Nice avatar by the way, God I love this song.






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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: teknix]
    #19409007 - 01/12/14 04:17 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Treat others how they treat you.

Which one do you think is more adequate and why?






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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19410413 - 01/12/14 10:18 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Big fucking deal.  Your perfect attendance record doesn't impress me, Dick.






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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19410492 - 01/12/14 10:44 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

More appropriately we should not give out treatment that we would not wish to receive. It is what we don't want that unites us, not what we want.

If someone likes to be spanked. I'm going to assume that they should not go ass slapping strangers, just because they wished the strangers would do it to them.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19411032 - 01/13/14 02:50 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

conscious love to get challenged and take the risks of loosing everything .. to state being someone by ruining others or proving superiority .. conscious is the freedom that want to apply absolutes rules on themselves, matter of life and death

so conscious are happy of being thrown on the floor or get shot

then your assumption that all wish to be left in peace is wrong

war obviously is more what everyone enjoy doing, it is the favorite kid games too..


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19411156 - 01/13/14 03:58 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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More appropriately we should not give out treatment that we would not wish to receive. It is what we don't want that unites us, not what we want.

If someone likes to be spanked. I'm going to assume that they should not go ass slapping strangers, just because they wished the strangers would do it to them.




I don't want to you to go unspanked.

:slowreaction:


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19412009 - 01/13/14 11:19 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Yeah, it's a nice track. Aphex is my favourite musician overall I think, I listened to tons of electronic artists for years and for a long time I wouldn't admit I found him to be the best but he was the only one I never really got bored of and really stood the test of time, his melodies are sublime. I also think he has a good attitude in general. Just wish he would release another album.

My two favourite tracks are: Rhubarb, which is my all time favourite track maybe, because every time I've listened to it on drugs it's been an incredible experience of rebirth. And Boxing Day, because of the amount of layering in the track, it's ridiculously complicated, easily comparable with the greatest classical composers imo.





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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19412058 - 01/13/14 11:34 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

I still actively listen to all the electronic music from my teens, Autechre, Squarepusher, Boards of Canada, FSOL, The Orb etc.  Just hits this deeply nostalgic sweet spot like nothing else.

I'm sure you have, but if not, read some interviews of Richard D James, the way he thinks about sound is wild, and he has a wicked sense of humor.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19412092 - 01/13/14 11:40 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Haha, same. I loved all that stuff, it was basically all I listened too in my teens, I've caught a fair few of those artists live too, most of them have been amazing. I still do listen to them from time to time. And yeah I've read the interviews. I think he seems like a really chill dude.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19416067 - 01/14/14 06:29 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

so have you guys progressed in music taste then, like do you listen to swing jazz now or something?

those were cool tunes.. i was never a huge fan but always found windowlicker really orignial in how it falls apart in its progression..

my teen electronica dude was James Holden who still i worship & i saw this NYE :yesnod:

i feel like my tunes are still teenish and pretty depressing, i was thinking just the other day about deleting them and starting again


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: quinn]
    #19416779 - 01/14/14 10:42 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

I don't think I've progressed really. I just got bored of a lot of the stuff I use to listen too, particularly those guys as I over listened the crap out of them. I like music but in the end all of it bores me pretty easily. Hip Hop is actually my favourite genre of music I think but I'm dissapointed by the philosophical content a lot of the time.

A good way of finding new music is to just flick through various tracks giving them about ten seconds each. I usually have a fair idea whether I might like it in that time and then I can sort them further later.

Never had heard of Holden before but I like it. :thumbup:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: Grapefruit]
    #19424779 - 01/15/14 08:40 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

yeh im a huge fan :laugh: sky was pink was the first song i ever heard of his (stoned in a room in italy) and at first i was like 'wtf is this static??'.. now many years later having played it to death i still think it's great

i never really got into hiphop and that stuff tho, stuck more to rock/electronica..

it's funny i was discussing with a friend the other day how through highschool we both went for the most obscure and inaccessible shit we could find..


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: teknix]
    #19425036 - 01/15/14 09:31 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Which one do you think is more adequate and why?

Depends on whether or not you're a masochist. :lmafo:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: Diploid]
    #19425176 - 01/15/14 10:00 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

why are you?

if you were a masochist i dont think it would work if everyone else was one too, which is supposedly what you would want if you wanted everyone to treat you the way you treated them.. nope it's much more complicated than that i fear :sadyes:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: quinn]
    #19425461 - 01/15/14 11:00 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

Hell no! I hate pain. :seeya:


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: teknix]
    #19425626 - 01/15/14 11:46 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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Treat others how they treat you.

Which one do you think is more adequate and why?




The latter is basically the Code of Hammurabi (eye for an eye and all that) and has resulted in much bloodshed and misery over the past few millennia.  In other words, if someone is violent to you, you will be violent back to them, and so on and so forth until the cycle of violence escalates and someone nukes somebody else and finally the planet is at rest again.

Yeah, I think I prefer the former.


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Re: Treat others how you want to be treated or . . . . [Re: deCypher]
    #19425815 - 01/16/14 12:46 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

hey Mr Cynical they may actually treat you nice ya know :voila::nicekitty::bliss::flowers:


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