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duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum
    #19401074 - 01/10/14 08:41 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

After 2 unsuccessful attempts, first with 1/2 pint cakes and then with bulk trays in a sgfc, I'm thrilled to finally have some success. I love watching these things grow, its truly a miracle of nature. I used 3 pint jars 3/4 full of wbs to start off with, and steam sterilized them for about 9 hours, just to be safe. I saw RR mention it could be done that way, but found no accounts of anyone doing so. I'm quite devoid of money for a pressure cooker, and I'm happy to say it worked out for me this way.

I put 2 half inch holes in the lid of the quart jars, and filled with wbs that had been soaked for 16 hours or so. I used two layers of Tyvek (from our postal friends) with polyfill in between for lids, and used the real lids for coasters. I put a thick knitted oven mitt on the bottom of a large pot, and placed the jars inside with water about 2/3 the way up the sides of the jars, then heated the water to a boil for 9 full hours. I had to periodically refill the pot with water as it would begin to boil off. Once they cooled for 12 hours I inoculated the jars at both holes with Treasure Coast (using lots of hand sanitizer and rubbing alcohol, as well as a face mask and rubber gloves) about 2 cc's per hole. They began colonizing in 3 or 4 days, and were fully colonized in two weeks.

I wanted a simple substrate, so I did some research and settled on a coir/verm/gypsum mixture. I wanted to do 60/35/5 or so but I just decided to use all I had left and it ended up more like 75/20/5. I decided to do a 1:4 ratio of spawn to substrate. Since the total volume of that is fairly small, I decided not to use a big rubbermaid for a monotub. I read that a 4-5" substrate depth is ideal so I chose a container that was better fit,  which ended up being two of the drawers to a cheap little chest of drawers one on top of the other, duotub style.

I put three 1.5 inch holes on the bottom tub, one on each side but one. The drawers were brittle, so to drill the holes I used a 1/4" drill bit to drill about a dozen smaller holes around the circumference of my desired hole size, then used a knife to break the plastic in between each hole. It wasn't pretty but it was cheap and functional. I made three holes like this on the top of the top bin too(that is - the bottom if it were right side up serving its drawer funtion). Then I covered each hole with a layer of gorilla tape on the inside and outside, and covered the entire bottom 5" of the bottom tub with duct tape to prevent side pinning.

Using good sterile procedures (including lots of lysol this time) I put the substrate and spawn into the bottom tub, making a substrate and spawn parfait and then mixing them up a bit with my gloved hand. I saved a bit of spawn and substrate to sprinkle an unmixed layer of each on top of the mixture, spawn first, then substrate on top. I put the top tub over the bottom, and taped them together leaving only a tiny downward facing gap open (but with polyfill) where the two tubs didn't fit perfectly.

The mycelium colonized fairly slowly, I think because I live in a basement room that is difficult to keep warm. Temps were around 65 most of the time. In a little over a month I checked 'em and holy tits there were little pinheads! probably about a dozen at first. They have been growing like mad and the biggest now are over 2" tall. I think I'll be harvesting soon, I'm so excited I might pee.


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19401249 - 01/10/14 09:21 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

they look like they could use more light, and i have been steaming mine as well as of late, good stuff though:thumbup:


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19414357 - 01/13/14 08:41 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Harvest day! I really didn't expect this many fruits of this size. I'm drying them with baked epsom salt in a tupperware, and I've got a couple spore prints in the making. I had 10.23 wet grams of aborts, and 449.14 grams wet of mature fungal fun.


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19414366 - 01/13/14 08:43 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

fucking nailed it buddy!


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19414376 - 01/13/14 08:44 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

very nice:thumbup: I like the looks of those fruits.


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19414378 - 01/13/14 08:44 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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Harvest day! I really didn't expect this many fruits of this size. I'm drying them with baked epsom salt in a tupperware, and I've got a couple spore prints in the making. I had 10.23 wet grams of aborts, and 449.14 grams wet of mature fungal fun.






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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: cronicr]
    #19414399 - 01/13/14 08:48 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Thanks dude :aweohyou:!  No more jellydickin' around with the sgfc and cakes, its all grains and tubs from here on out


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19414405 - 01/13/14 08:49 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

congrats on your first successful grow.
I just started using dubs as well and I love them.


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19414595 - 01/13/14 09:32 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

So I just found out that I should fan dry before epsom drying, but I'm kind of unclear on how I should fan dry... does this look ok? I would hate for them all to go bad! Please help!


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19414602 - 01/13/14 09:33 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

thats fine, you got one soldier missing in action though


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19414610 - 01/13/14 09:35 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

That should work. when I fan dried I put my fruits on a table with a fan blowing air across them. That should work though.

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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19414611 - 01/13/14 09:35 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Nice! Can't believe it worked after the 9 hours of steam. You will love it once you get a PC.


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: cronicr]
    #19414616 - 01/13/14 09:37 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

I won't leave you behind son! Not when we are so close!

Any idea how long this kind of set up should take? I need to relocate tomorrow unfortunately


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19414621 - 01/13/14 09:38 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

it depends on how dry your house is. If you split the stems they will dry faster.


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: SuperFly]
    #19414622 - 01/13/14 09:38 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

yep steaming works fine, i can actually get more done in a day with my stock pots then my pc, but running 2 stock pots and a pc kicks ass, if you split the stems it will go much faster


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: SuperFly]
    #19414628 - 01/13/14 09:39 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

I read of people setting the oven on the lowest temp, with the door cracked open, and a fan circulating the oven air to dry fruits also. But the strait fan should work fine let sit for 24 hours then check for dryness.


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: SuperFly]
    #19414631 - 01/13/14 09:40 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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I read of people setting the oven on the lowest temp, with the door cracked open, and a fan circulating the oven air to dry fruits also. But the strait fan should work fine let sit for 24 hours then check for dryness.



i do this after i fan dry first:thumbup:


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: SuperFly]
    #19414640 - 01/13/14 09:42 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

24 hours should get them dry enough for a desiccant chamber


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: cronicr]
    #19414647 - 01/13/14 09:43 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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running 2 stock pots and a pc kicks as



Damn! That's a lot of time and grain lol.


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: SuperFly]
    #19414678 - 01/13/14 09:48 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

thanks you guys are the best.


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19414730 - 01/13/14 09:58 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

i shoot for about 20-30 lbs at a time:rockon:


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19416597 - 01/14/14 09:59 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Ok they all feel nice and crispy dry, total is 40.02 g!


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19416614 - 01/14/14 10:03 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

hell yeah! great job over all!


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: cronicr]
    #19437213 - 01/18/14 10:32 AM (10 years, 13 days ago)

Well the 2nd pinset is coming along nicely, there are a dozen or so larger fruits with tons of tiny pins. I noticed that the substrate is pulling away from the sides of the tub, I'm pretty sure its too dry. The question is, how do I re-moisturize without hurting my pinset? I don't want to mist and hurt the pins, can I just pour water down the side? Anyone had experience with this sort of thing?


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19437219 - 01/18/14 10:33 AM (10 years, 13 days ago)

it's not pulling away because of moisture it's being eaten by your mycelium, perfectly normal


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: cronicr]
    #19437329 - 01/18/14 11:06 AM (10 years, 13 days ago)

Oh that makes sense too. I have noticed also that there is not nearly as much condensation forming on the inside as during the first flush. Could this be from a loss of moisture?


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19437571 - 01/18/14 12:09 PM (10 years, 12 days ago)

yep that could do it


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: cronicr]
    #19474066 - 01/25/14 09:14 PM (10 years, 5 days ago)

So I just harvested the second flush, it looks good but there seems to be too much fuzz, some of it looks sort of dark:


Does this look like cobweb to you?

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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19474091 - 01/25/14 09:20 PM (10 years, 5 days ago)

Very thin strandy mushrooms and fuzzy feet. You need more FAE. And maybe more light. Not cobweb.


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: vikingsc]
    #19477600 - 01/26/14 04:29 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

Ya they aren't getting an excess of either of those, so that's probably the problem. Here's the 2nd flush:


Total for this flush is 1.3 g dry. I'm about to start on the next grow, I think I'll be doing a stacked monotub version of what I just did. I think I'll leave this to see if it goes for a 3rd flush


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19477624 - 01/26/14 04:33 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

1.3? Looks like a typo


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: vikingsc]
    #19477628 - 01/26/14 04:34 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

Get some more holes in your tub or some looser polyfill.


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    #19477641 - 01/26/14 04:36 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

heh oh ya i meant oz.


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: mycology101]
    #19477717 - 01/26/14 04:55 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

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heh oh ya i meant oz.



Ahh right on. I saw the bowl of mushrooms and knew that can't be 1.3g :laugh:


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Re: duotub wbs to coir verm and gypsum [Re: cronicr]
    #19477969 - 01/26/14 06:09 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

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thats fine, you got one soldier missing in action though



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