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Doc Seta
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Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me
#19400424 - 01/10/14 05:50 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Thought I would write this up last minute after reading alot of first timers or people about to grows questions on casing. If your interested in casing here is a summary of some of my knowledge compiled so you know how to do it quick & easy, its pretty simple and produces results
Ok now you did pf-tek, your jars are finished and you just dunked them for 12-24 hours (Peroxide is not needed while dunking, your cakes are contam resistant as is. H2o2 will just cause poor fruits and mutants IME, cold tap water works perfect and probably has enough chlorine or what not already in it as is)  Now after dunking those cakes I simply dab them with a paper towel then put them in a ziplock bag to break up. Use your hands and break them up into dime size pieces (you can also slice cakes into pieces or if u have a big enough container stack them whole), a ziplocks not necessary it just keeps things less messy for me. Now get your casing pan in this case I got aluminum grill pans which are good for about a pint to pint 1/2 of substrate, plastic containers of course work etc just make sure the sides will not allow any light in (We don't want not side pinning). Casing Material: I use shredded peat moss + vermiculite with some Gypsum seasoning, check the search engine on 50/50 casing mix or you can even buy casing mix from one of the Shroomery Sponsors if you don't have the time to get messy or wanna make things easy on yourself check the Shroomery Sponsors (Just make sure its for Casing Peat/Vermiculite , Coco Coir is usually used for spawning grains but that's a whole other topic)
 #1- I lay an even amount of casing material (1/4") on the bottom of the pan, you can also just use just some plain vermiculite or nothing at all on the bottom. I lay just enough so that when I shake it, I cannot see the shiny metal bottom in this case as it is covered thinly around 1/4" to 1/2" at most. #2- Now lay down an even layer of your crushed up brf cake that's in the ziplock bag in my case upon the thin bottom layer of the casing material nice & evenly covering it. #3- Now that you have a level amount of crushed cake in the pan make sure you leave some room as you wanna lay a top layer of about a 1/4" of casing mix (Peat/Verm) on top. WALLA "Bellissimo" #4- Now give that sexy casing a good misting and then I put the casing into a ziplock then will put it away like it was cake for a few days to consolidate(You can use saran/plastic wrap, tin foil, pan lid if there is one etc just put some holes on top). You wanna put your casing into your fruiting chamber after you see spots of myc colonizing the surface which usually takes a few days.
 *Be patient sometimes it takes awhile for casings to pin if the environment is off but its worth it, you'll get nicer pin sets usually with higher yields of fruits. You wanna keep your RH a bit lower with casings at around 88-90% if its possible but cubes will produce no matter what, just your yield size an quality will be effected. After each flush you can lay a small layer of casing on top, spray down & repeat. I like to actually dunk my casings as they shrink after the first flush. They will pop right out of your pan or whatever your using. Make sure you don't drown your casings, 2 misting's a day is plenty and fan them same as you would with cakes. Sorry for lack of pix just thought I would snap a few to help out last minute, if you need help or have questions just ask or use the search engine. Plenty of helpful information on here to help you along with all kinds of stuff, personally I take notes then take notes on results an so on. I'm no professional mycologist but for all of those who are just starting this is the place to get your bearings straight on this fun hobby. Feel free to add tips or comments for to better your casings or casing mix. The Casing mix preparation tek that's been tried,tested an used by Top Dogs like RR is available a few clicks away, check the 50/50 formula. Hope this quick summary write up helps any & good luck.
Edited by Doc Seta (01/10/14 06:12 PM)
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: Doc Seta]
#19400495 - 01/10/14 06:09 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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i have yet to try just 50/50, maybe this week. i always add hydrated lime  im wondering if the peat i have is less acidic. i also add 10% coir now, upon reading GGMM
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: Doc Seta]
#19400504 - 01/10/14 06:11 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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nice write up. but I call this going to bulk, not casing. why do you call a bulk substrate a casing? I see this a lot nowadays. everyone calling their bulksubs casings? when I hear casing...I think of a nonnutritious top dressing on a bulk substrate...
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: blindingleaf]
#19400510 - 01/10/14 06:12 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Why would you add coir to your casing? I haven't had a chance to read GGMM. And I agree this is more going bulk rather than casing.
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: mushmagic]
#19400532 - 01/10/14 06:18 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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pg 198 GGMM chapter 20 "adding 10% coca nut fiber enhances osmosis, aeration, and transportation of water to lower regions of the casing"
dunno, figured id try it he also using mainly peat, no verm, the verm usually provides the aeration, so perhaps its un needed? 10 parts peat moss .5 part gypsum .5 part chalk
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: blindingleaf]
#19400541 - 01/10/14 06:20 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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i guess i kinda thought that that little bit of nutrient would entice the myc to progress through the layer, emerging more evenly. i have yet to see the proof yet though, its really just coming up around the edges now.
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: bluecap]
#19400561 - 01/10/14 06:26 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Its a casing of bulk substrattQuote:
bluecap said: nice write up. but I call this going to bulk, not casing. why do you call a bulk substrate a casing? I see this a lot nowadays. everyone calling their bulksubs casings? when I hear casing...I think of a nonnutritious top dressing on a bulk substrate... 
Cause its a casing of bulk substrate, lol, its not a mono tub or anything just cased substrate but you gotta point, an thanks I just wrote this up quickly after seeing so many first time growers confused about casing substrate as opposed to just doing cakes.
Edited by Doc Seta (01/10/14 06:31 PM)
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: Doc Seta]
#19400592 - 01/10/14 06:34 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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OP did u go heavy on the verm? or is that the camera fooling me? mine usually looks more dark brown/black?

if so, maybe thats why no ph buffer needed. if a casing is only 50% peat (or less possibly) one may b able to get away with no ph buffer in short term (2 flushes, perhaps three)
can anyone else chime in possibly their experiences with peat based casing and NO ph buffer? ratios, flushes, upkeep, success or failures, etc?
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: blindingleaf]
#19400733 - 01/10/14 07:17 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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blindingleaf said: OP did u go heavy on the verm? or is that the camera fooling me? mine usually looks more dark brown/black?

if so, maybe thats why no ph buffer needed. if a casing is only 50% peat (or less possibly) one may b able to get away with no ph buffer in short term (2 flushes, perhaps three)
can anyone else chime in possibly their experiences with peat based casing and NO ph buffer? ratios, flushes, upkeep, success or failures, etc?
No I break up the peat up real good, I hate when you get those large chunks and stuff so i shred it an break it up fine while casing. That's straight up 50/50 with some Gypsum but Ive had all different consistencies using different grades of vermiculite as well as peat moss. I get about 4 flushes on average, 1st flushes are always abundant with smaller fruits, 2nd + I tend to get fewer but nice fatty boomers. I hate taking pix but I can post some 1st,2nd,3rd, 4th flush pix after that I just throw it away, usually the casing is so shrunk and used up like an old $5 dollar whore who keeps putting out. Also I get a lot of fruits growing across the bottom sometimes that's why I usually pop them out between flushes cause those un seen fruits will decay an mess up your shit. I also do grain spawn to coco coir / verm etc but Im gonna keep this thread just about casing old brf cakes unless you guys wanna talk coco coir + grains yadi ya?
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: Doc Seta]
#19400779 - 01/10/14 07:29 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Light doesn't cause side pinning. The micro climate between the sub and FC is what causes it. That's why a clear trash bag can be used without side pins but light still hits the sides.
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: blindingleaf]
#19400868 - 01/10/14 07:50 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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blindingleaf said: pg 198 GGMM chapter 20 "adding 10% coca nut fiber enhances osmosis, aeration, and transportation of water to lower regions of the casing"
dunno, figured id try it he also using mainly peat, no verm, the verm usually provides the aeration, so perhaps its un needed? 10 parts peat moss .5 part gypsum .5 part chalk
What where the results on that, me I'm like why mess up a good thing there really isn't much stuff besides Gypsum I really add, I found the conditions of your grow to have such a higher effect. You can ask what was used to case all those pix of Hawkseye's stuff he'll tell ya 50/50 with gypsum. As for making cakes freshly ground long brown rice is definately better than the pre-made stuff. Fine grade vermiculite sucks for pf-tek cakes in my opinion. Cakes come out light as a feather and produces poor fruits, idk if you see my cakes they're chunky, and produce use coarse grade. Ummm lets see thinking of any easy tips to help out a real newbie, idk just birth 36 jars no contams just every so often with grains. 12 EQ, 12, Koh Super, and 12 Lizard Kings so its really not so difficult working with BRF anyways think someone said something about light & pinning, yea I know u what mean but keeping this simple, I gotta use that mesh stuff though to keep the boomers from side pinning or I just take them out the case and lay em like cakes. That a whole other topic bro were talking about in a different thread tho. Simple 101 casings lol
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: magickspore]
#19400890 - 01/10/14 07:55 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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magickspore said: Light doesn't cause side pinning. The micro climate between the sub and FC is what causes it. That's why a clear trash bag can be used without side pins but light still hits the sides.
You don't want light on the side of your casing, when it flushes fill the sides in with more casing mix to prevent that after a few flushes I check though by flipping the casing out. Im guessing your talking about mono tubes right lol lets just keep it about casings. We can do a whole other thread on that
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: Doc Seta]
#19400910 - 01/10/14 08:00 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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My bad... only skimmed the post and saw that. I'm constantly seeing ppl say light causes side pins and I've always been told its a secondary trigger. That it is the micro-climate that's the cause.
But like said you here's not the place. My apologies.
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: Doc Seta]
#19400913 - 01/10/14 08:00 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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"That a whole other topic bro were talking about in a different thread tho. Simple 101 casings lol"
sry, just thought i'd add. didn't mean to make it more complicated
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: Doc Seta]
#19400921 - 01/10/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Doc Seta said: Im guessing your talking about mono tubes right lol lets just keep it about casings.
mono's can be cased too..
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: cronicr]
#19401035 - 01/10/14 08:32 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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cronicr said:
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Doc Seta said: Im guessing your talking about mono tubes right lol lets just keep it about casings.
mono's can be cased too..
LOL Sup Cronicr was waiting for you to piss on my thread haha just playing bro. I can turn a casing into a Mono if u really wanna see pix , you can case mono substrate but thats all gonna get new growers confused. I'll make a Mono thing up I just didn't wanna make a thread that will get off subject for all the new growers about to or posting those grow journals asking about casing thinking its some supernatural human power for people with IQs over Bill Gates wait fuck Gates he just stole shit from Jobs, IQ over Steve Jobs. Bill Gates in the mushroom business would be stealing Ryche Hawks website pix then suing him. I just happened to be casing gourmet Shittakes ya know and was like Oh wait snap snap took a few pix an made a quick write up cause theres so much piece meal info here or there on casing. Anyways
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: Doc Seta]
#19402596 - 01/11/14 07:06 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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u case shiitakis?
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: blindingleaf]
#19404050 - 01/11/14 02:08 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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blindingleaf said: u case shiitakis?
All the time bro...... Heres a pic of a very neglected piece as you can see by the pan its been abused lol but hey still anyway with all the neglect as you see these "Shiitakes" will still grow no matter, most of the first pins are halfway done with many more pins coming up just not together like a family. This is actually my worst casing ever but I neglected it really badly, had cases stacked on it an smashed it into different boxes to get it out of the way of other things . Usually this is what a third flush would look like but heres the first fruits going enjoy....
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: Doc Seta]
#19404060 - 01/11/14 02:10 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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are those "shiitakis" being grown by a FOAF or SWIM?
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Re: Casing 101 for Dummies Like Me [Re: blindingleaf]
#19404133 - 01/11/14 02:28 PM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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blindingleaf said: are those "shiitakis" being grown by a FOAF or SWIM?
Exactly lol
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