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Re: I hate this place. [Re: Icyus]
    #19397510 - 01/10/14 06:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have gotten a understanding of life and death... though I cannot voice it... it is very relative and thus.. maddening to think about... 

You dies, always, and not. You get reborn and live immortal, and not. You change, thus you die, and are reborn. But who is it, this "you"? This identity? Might you be several people at once? Who is to say which one is the real you... then you may start thinking about what would happen to someone...

there are infinite versions of everyone, in every way possible.. then.. one might come to the conclusion there is a hard time saying what exactly happens to anyone at any time, really.. one must know which one of the one's that is the one in question for so to define who one may be observed...




when no words work, use no words.



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Re: I hate this place. [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #19397609 - 01/10/14 07:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Guys...I think InTheCosmos may have killed himself. :sad:


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: hmmn]
    #19397778 - 01/10/14 08:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Guys...I think InTheCosmos may have killed himself. :sad:




Cmon, this thread wasn't that bad. 



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Re: I hate this place. [Re: hmmn]
    #19398195 - 01/10/14 10:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What exactly does he have to offer the world?  I hear that all the time and I haven't a clue as to what it could mean.




Every human being of reasonably sound body and mind has the potential to offer their kindness and understanding to others. :heart:

Even you, Icelander!

:imspecial:




BFD


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: Icelander]
    #19399773 - 01/10/14 03:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wasn't kidding...last things he said were days ago and were about killing himself. :uhoh:


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: hmmn]
    #19400011 - 01/10/14 04:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I wasn't kidding...last things he said were days ago and were about killing himself. :uhoh:




Well Icelander was the one that encouraged him to man up and do it.  He's to blame in my book.


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: hmmn]
    #19400316 - 01/10/14 05:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I wasn't kidding...last things he said were days ago and were about killing himself. :uhoh:




what's that got to do with what I asked?  So you were basically saying that just because you were personally worried about him.


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: Icelander]
    #19400640 - 01/10/14 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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hmmn said:
I wasn't kidding...last things he said were days ago and were about killing himself. :uhoh:




what's that got to do with what I asked?  So you were basically saying that just because you were personally worried about him.




So if he was just frank and candid and said "I'm worried about you dude, I personally want you to seek professional help." Would you have taken issue with that, had there been no manipulation upon his sense of self worth?

Just curious :satansmoking:


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: CosmicJoke] * 1
    #19400658 - 01/10/14 06:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Don't think so.  But he bullshitted the guy imo and that doesn't cut it.  When someone is on the edge and they are intelligent and looking for some help they can smell that kind of bs a mile off and it's a huge downer.  At least that's how it's always felt to me.  When I'm suicidal I don't want more lies or exaggerations and platitudes. I want the straight dope.  :shrug:


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: Icelander]
    #19400660 - 01/10/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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hmmn said:
I wasn't kidding...last things he said were days ago and were about killing himself. :uhoh:




what's that got to do with what I asked?  So you were basically saying that just because you were personally worried about him.




Ummm...yes!?  Am I alone in having concern for this guy who's clearly depressed and talking about killing himself? :shrug:

....

edit:  I didn't bullshit anybody, man; I honestly believe what I said.  Maybe it sounds like bullshit to some.  I genuinely appreciate thoughtful criticism of my ideas as it helps me learn.  I don't see what I said as any kind of lie, exaggeration, or platitude.  It's my genuine belief about life as a human being.  I've been a hopeless drug addict, I've made genuine suicide attempts in the past, and I'm very intelligent and extremely critical in my approach to life.  Don't pretend I'm some new-age hope puking idiot who thinks his ideas are Gaia's gift to middle-aged women the world over; I'm not.


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: hmmn]
    #19400671 - 01/10/14 07:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Imo that does more harm than good. Read my last post above yours.


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: Icelander]
    #19400705 - 01/10/14 07:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It looks like the last time he was on was around when he replied after that guy posted that page about the dwarf who's made a great life for himself.  That kind of shit could have easily put me over the edge into a genuine suicide attempt years ago. :sad:


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: Icelander]
    #19400767 - 01/10/14 07:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't think so.  But he bullshitted the guy imo and that doesn't cut it.  When someone is on the edge and they are intelligent and looking for some help they can smell that kind of bs a mile off and it's a huge downer.  At least that's how it's always felt to me.  When I'm suicidal I don't want more lies or exaggerations and platitudes. I want the straight dope.  :shrug:





Well, why do you think he did that? We know he was worried, but why would he mask his feelings and create a marketing ploy for a desired outcome, rather than just express his worry?


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: hmmn]
    #19400776 - 01/10/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yup.  I doubt he's really going to commit suicide but when people are in that space they need truth. At least I have when I've been there.  They want to share how they are feeling and have that be acceptable. Not be told how they are feeling or what they should feel or that they are really really important when they know that's just a bunch of Bs. 

I usually now just acknowledge how they are feeling and tell them I fully support them in any decision they feel they need to make.  Then I might tell them that suicide is permanent so they should take their time and make sure it's really their best option.  And imo sometimes it is.


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: Icelander]
    #19400845 - 01/10/14 07:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yup.  I doubt he's really going to commit suicide but when people are in that space they need truth. At least I have when I've been there.  They want to share how they are feeling and have that be acceptable. Not be told how they are feeling or what they should feel or that they are really really important when they know that's just a bunch of Bs. 

I usually now just acknowledge how they are feeling and tell them I fully support them in any decision they feel they need to make.  Then I might tell them that suicide is permanent so they should take their time and make sure it's really their best option.  And imo sometimes it is.




Maybe it has to do with posturing rather than intimacy, where hmmn is afraid to express his fears....... so he lays on some sort of 'man up, you have value to the world' type trip. Well intentioned, but too neurotic for somebody who is already too crazy :shrug:


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19401068 - 01/10/14 08:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well you got to be able to confront death if you are going to get through to a suicidal person imo.  You have to openly acknowledge that and that what is driving them to suicide might actually be real and the actual case.

At this point in my life I really don't care that much who dies and when because I really really understand that it's going to happen and it's happening all the time even while we chat about it in front of our seemingly safe computer screens.  I'm more ready for the reality of death than I've ever been.  I think when someone tries to placate someone else around their death it's because they are terrified of the idea of death in general.


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: Icelander]
    #19401130 - 01/10/14 08:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Well you got to be able to confront death if you are going to get through to a suicidal person imo.  You have to openly acknowledge that and that what is driving them to suicide might actually be real and the actual case.

At this point in my life I really don't care that much who dies and when because I really really understand that it's going to happen and it's happening all the time even while we chat about it in front of our seemingly safe computer screens.  I'm more ready for the reality of death than I've ever been.  I think when someone tries to placate someone else around their death it's because they are terrified of the idea of death in general.




So to properly restate Ice's rules:

Rule #1 is to be open to the possibility that they might just be correct in their assertion, and that suicide is the best option for them.

Rule #2 is the outcome doesn't really matter, people have been around and dying for 7 million years now, it's small potatoes in the greater scheme of things...

Now what was that thing about death being permanent that you felt might be important to remind somebody of?  How do you remind them that being dead limits a whole lot of possibilities (like all of them) without exacerbating their anxiety?


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19401156 - 01/10/14 09:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well ultimately it's survival of the fittest. If they can't handle the truth then tough shit.  Remember the problem is theirs not yours.  You're just giving them your thoughts because they asked.


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: Icelander]
    #19401185 - 01/10/14 09:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Well ultimately it's survival of the fittest. If they can't handle the truth then tough shit.  Remember the problem is theirs not yours.  You're just giving them your thoughts because they asked.




Good point, so worrying about their welfare is separate from the reality of the situation, which is what you think they need.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: I hate this place. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19401214 - 01/10/14 09:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Most people just want to be heard imo. That's why most who post here about suicide don't do it.

I commiserate with them out of empathy.  I've been there and still am in a way.  So it's like if you play guitar it's more fun to talk about it with others who play. :laugh:

I'm not really worried about their welfare. That's their problem and my worry won't help them at all. I worry about my welfare and that's a full time job. Unfortunately it not any more helpful than my worrying about theirs. :haha:


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