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First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations
#19399994 - 01/10/14 04:21 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Hello everyone this is my second post on here regarding my first grow using the PF Tek. I currently have these 11 jars containing Golden Teachers, Brazilians, Great White Monsters, and a couple of combination jars of the three. These are pictures taken today 22 days after spore inoculation and I am simply looking for speculations and opinions on what you can see from the pictures. Any and all comments are appreciated, thanks guys.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19400013 - 01/10/14 04:26 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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What u mean a combination of the 3?
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19400023 - 01/10/14 04:28 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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22 days? I thought the timeline was something along the lines of 1 week for 100% colonization from inoculation and 1 week consolidation
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Webster10]
#19400034 - 01/10/14 04:31 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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The two jars labelled combo are a mix of the three previously stated spore types
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19400060 - 01/10/14 04:34 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I think they all look way too wet and are bacterial contam'd probably. Also you are crazy mixing the spore types - what were u thinking?
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19400084 - 01/10/14 04:39 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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First of all. With PF Tek. Never flip the jars unless you're absolutely giving up on the bottoms colonizing then possibly carefully flip them once and don't touch them again until they are ready. That dry verm layer on top needs to remain undisturbed. It's a contam barrier. When you flip them around like that any contams that landed on top can get into your cake. Next time just write on the lid.
If they're less than half colonized after 22 days I doubt they'll finish, but it doesn't hurt to let them sit and see if any of them do finish. I'd start another batch in the mean time and not have all your eggs in the one basket. This time label the lids and do not flip them upside down. Those ones do look a little on the wet side. Maybe nocc'ed up with too much spore solution?
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19400121 - 01/10/14 04:45 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Buddy stuck the labelling stickers on the bottom but they have been sitting with the lid up for the entire 22 days after inoculation. Followed the PF tek to a tee otherwise, have done a lot of picking the jars up and observed them though. What I'm gathering here is don't mess with the jars and maybe a bit less spore solution? Used approx 3mL per jar (thought a lot would yield better results).
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19400140 - 01/10/14 04:49 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Mr.Lahey said: Buddy stuck the labelling stickers on the bottom but they have been sitting with the lid up for the entire 22 days after inoculation. Followed the PF tek to a tee otherwise, have done a lot of picking the jars up and observed them though. What I'm gathering here is don't mess with the jars and maybe a bit less spore solution? Used approx 3mL per jar (thought a lot would yield better results).
You only need to use like .25ml per hole so maybe 1cc per jar. I wouldn't worry too much about picking them up to look at as long as yr not disturbing the verm barrier.
They just look really wet and I am 90% certain they are all f&^%$ed
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Skinty]
#19400165 - 01/10/14 04:54 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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If you're flipping upside down to take a picture you are definitely disturbing the verm layer. Gently picking them up is fine, but definitely don't flip them. Ya less is more when it comes to spore solution. like they said a half pint should be about 1ml/cc per jar. 1/4 or so per hole.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Skinty]
#19400179 - 01/10/14 04:55 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Was hoping that wasn't the case but had a feeling that much moisture couldn't be right. Hopefully can just chalk this one up to too much spore solution then because everything else was done according to the PF tek properly. Guess I'll fire some jars together and try some alcabenzi in a few days. Thanks a lot for the feedback guys thank f*** for the shroomery
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19400206 - 01/10/14 05:00 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Mr.Lahey said: Was hoping that wasn't the case but had a feeling that much moisture couldn't be right. Hopefully can just chalk this one up to too much spore solution then because everything else was done according to the PF tek properly. Guess I'll fire some jars together and try some alcabenzi in a few days. Thanks a lot for the feedback guys thank f*** for the shroomery
Put it down as a learning experience. Make sure your verm : BRF : water ratio is correct as well.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19400209 - 01/10/14 05:01 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I will sometimes do as much as 1/2 ml per hole, but that's pushing it.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19400226 - 01/10/14 05:03 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Sounds good thanks a lot guys, will post pics of the alcabenzi attempt hopefully all goes well
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19400228 - 01/10/14 05:03 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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vikingsc said: I will sometimes do as much as 1/2 ml per hole, but that's pushing it. 
Sure you can get away with that but almost the LESS is better. More spores = more competition. Just put enough in so you see it trickle down the side. 0.1ml is fine and probably better
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19400234 - 01/10/14 05:05 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I'd say that one Brazilian second row, second from left or the one Brazilian second row far right have the best chance of finishing. They look close to finished. It's hard to tell how much is the dry verm layer.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19400237 - 01/10/14 05:05 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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How did u get a mix though? Did you use 3 different syringes on 1 jar? Yeah you kinda dont wanna do that. But I thought they looked a little wispy myself for over 3 weeks. Not an expert though.
@webster- we wish! Generally takes 5-7 days to see growth in brf. Roughly 3 weeks for colonization and additional week to consolidate it.
That's a general time though. If you were doing a grain to grain transfer then a week is not out of the question at all.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: highc]
#19400247 - 01/10/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Lol I was basing my self upon 3mL per jar as my standard and I didn't have 3mL left in any of my syringes so I figured what the hell and did two jars with the three syringes. Oddly enough they are the ones that seem to have come the closest to fully colonizing thus far
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19400259 - 01/10/14 05:10 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I'll definitely leave these where they are though and see if anything pins, who knows maybe I'll be able to salvage something out of these
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19400263 - 01/10/14 05:12 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Ya those couple are basically 100%. I'd let 'em consolidate for a week or so and then birth them to a dunk 'n roll
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: highc]
#19400266 - 01/10/14 05:13 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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highc said: How did u get a mix though? Did you use 3 different syringes on 1 jar? Yeah you kinda dont wanna do that. But I thought they looked a little wispy myself for over 3 weeks. Not an expert though.
@webster- we wish! Generally takes 5-7 days to see growth in brf. Roughly 3 weeks for colonization and additional week to consolidate it.
That's a general time though. If you were doing a grain to grain transfer then a week is not out of the question at all.
Would be quite catastrophic doing G2G with cakes I reckon 
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19400276 - 01/10/14 05:15 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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vikingsc said: Ya those couple are basically 100%. I'd let 'em consolidate for a week or so and then birth them to a dunk 'n roll 
Those are not 100%. You can keep them to see what happens and I wish you all the best but I don't rate your chances with these
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Skinty]
#19400283 - 01/10/14 05:16 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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The one top left one is very close to 100%
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19400287 - 01/10/14 05:18 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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vikingsc said: Ya those couple are basically 100%. I'd let 'em consolidate for a week or so and then birth them to a dunk 'n roll 
R we lookin at the same pics?
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Skinty]
#19400289 - 01/10/14 05:18 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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are you getting good gas exchange? looks like clear tape or such covering the top of your lids? if so, remove it. just an observation...
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19400290 - 01/10/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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vikingsc said: The one top left one is very close to 100% 
 It looks infested with trich, zoom in on the top left one that says Cambo there is clearly some green.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19400296 - 01/10/14 05:20 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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vikingsc said: The one top left one is very close to 100% 
Hard to tell from the pics. Maybe it is - but it still looks f^&%ed
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Skinty]
#19400338 - 01/10/14 05:29 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Doesn't look like trich to me. I think it's just indent of the bottom of the jar making a shadow.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19400361 - 01/10/14 05:33 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Ya, that scotch tape isn't covering your holes is it? If you cover your holes it has to be with micropore tape for gas exchange. If you have zero GE your lucky to have gotten as far as it did.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19400581 - 01/10/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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There is no green on any of the jars whatsoever, used that shitty clear packing tape in place of masking tape which I didn't have at the time. Will use masking tape on my alcabenzi's, was not aware that the tape specification was due to the need for allowing gas exchange. So you guys figure that i should just take all that clear tape off and leave them or what?
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19401336 - 01/10/14 09:49 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Don't use masking tape either. You either need 3M micropore tape or no tape at all. Micropore tape is $2. You'll find it by the bandages in any drug store or grocery store.
Don't leave the scotch tape on. Either take it off completely or switch it with micropore tape.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19442977 - 01/19/14 02:47 PM (10 years, 11 days ago) |
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Holy fuck boys! We're seeing a bit of pinning of 3 or four of the previously posted jars. After the last post I did not have any micro pore tape to place over the holes so I removed the clear tape and allowed them to sit with open holes. Am seeing mushrooms in a few of the jars and plan on birthing them right away. Will post pictures once I see if any of the other jars fuck up.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19443286 - 01/19/14 03:40 PM (10 years, 11 days ago) |
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good deal man. hope you get some good flushes. ge is very important for sure....gl...
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: bluecap]
#19443820 - 01/19/14 06:03 PM (10 years, 11 days ago) |
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Thank ya sir hopefully all goes well, did up another dozen alcabenzi's today so should be a fun month!
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19443857 - 01/19/14 06:11 PM (10 years, 11 days ago) |
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avoid spores101 at all costs, just type them into the search bar here and you will see y
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: cronicr]
#19446153 - 01/20/14 05:49 AM (10 years, 11 days ago) |
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Yeah think I'll be going with spore works from now on
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Skinty]
#19448070 - 01/20/14 02:47 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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So I decided to let the jars sit another while just in case anything happened, and sure enough it did! Four of the eleven jars previously posted did in fact begin pinning in nine or so days. Although the one jar with the deathly looking mushrooms is probably contaminated as all fuck, just thought someone might be interested in seeing how they look.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19448142 - 01/20/14 03:02 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Did you take the cakes out and put them in a fruiting chamber? Or are you gonna do these invitro in the jar? If your doing 'em invitro at least take the lids off.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
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Any opinion on the jar with the pale colored ones? I am birthing them tonight, my only conflict is whether or not to dunk and roll.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19448444 - 01/20/14 04:21 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Definitely dunk and roll bie. It'll be your saving grace in a few weeks. Give'm a good sniff when you birth them, they should smell like fresh mushrooms. When you roll them in verm, just be careful of the invitro ones...sprinkle some over it instead of rolling them. Buddy'll get'r
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: 1down5up]
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Sounds good buddy these fuckers will go, any idea whats up with the pins with no red heads on them
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
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Could be mutants, or could be leucistic. I'v got a few of them myself.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: 1down5up]
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Don't expect your pins to survive a dunk n roll though.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19454322 - 01/21/14 06:42 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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Said fuck the dunk and roll and got lazy and ended up going invitro. Growing very nicely
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19454433 - 01/21/14 07:05 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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You can always birth them after the first flush is done and dunk n roll them then.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19454874 - 01/21/14 08:56 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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That sounds like a good idea, I think that'll be my plan
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Webster10]
#19455350 - 01/21/14 11:04 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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Webster10 said: 22 days? I thought the timeline was something along the lines of 1 week for 100% colonization from inoculation and 1 week consolidation
Yea right.
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Mr.Lahey said: Said fuck the dunk and roll and got lazy and ended up going invitro. Growing very nicely
Sometimes this is the best option!
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: EarthBounded]
#19455385 - 01/21/14 11:13 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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Especially if you've got a lot of pins already.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19455433 - 01/21/14 11:25 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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You can still dunk and roll with pins but in vitro method is almost 100% successful, however your fruits will look different and cap size will change
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: EarthBounded]
#19455453 - 01/21/14 11:29 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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you should birth, pick the pins, put them to agar, dunk the cake, roll in agar, then enjoy two forms of growth done proper, instead of one half-assed lazy outdated grow.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Camtaro420]
#19455528 - 01/21/14 11:44 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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Camtaro420 said: you should birth, pick the pins, put them to agar, dunk the cake, roll in agar, then enjoy two forms of growth done proper, instead of one half-assed lazy outdated grow.
It's his first grow. I doubt he has agar handy.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19455555 - 01/21/14 11:50 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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vikingsc said:
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Camtaro420 said: you should birth, pick the pins, put them to agar, dunk the cake, roll in agar, then enjoy two forms of growth done proper, instead of one half-assed lazy outdated grow.
It's his first grow. I doubt he has agar handy.
It's not that hard to make agar lol. One trip to whole foods or hell just mix BRF and water.
Just need a pressure cooker.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Camtaro420]
#19455695 - 01/22/14 12:34 AM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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Camtaro420 said:
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vikingsc said:
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Camtaro420 said: you should birth, pick the pins, put them to agar, dunk the cake, roll in agar, then enjoy two forms of growth done proper, instead of one half-assed lazy outdated grow.
It's his first grow. I doubt he has agar handy.
It's not that hard to make agar lol. One trip to whole foods or hell just mix BRF and water.
Just need a pressure cooker.
You don't even need a PC for a BRF agar substitute, but that's not really the point. Let the guy grow cakes in peace. It's his first grow.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19455763 - 01/22/14 12:56 AM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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vikingsc said:
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Camtaro420 said:
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vikingsc said:
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Camtaro420 said: you should birth, pick the pins, put them to agar, dunk the cake, roll in agar, then enjoy two forms of growth done proper, instead of one half-assed lazy outdated grow.
It's his first grow. I doubt he has agar handy.
It's not that hard to make agar lol. One trip to whole foods or hell just mix BRF and water.
Just need a pressure cooker.
You don't even need a PC for a BRF agar substitute, but that's not really the point. Let the guy grow cakes in peace. It's his first grow.
Oh right, I forgot. People come to post on these forums during their first grows so they can be left in peace. Not to get as much mycology advice from as many people as possible.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Camtaro420]
#19459040 - 01/22/14 06:20 PM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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Already have 2 more batches on the go, alcabenzi's and some classic golden teachers. I appreciate all the input I have gathered here and can definitely say it helped with my first grow. In regard to the previous statement about the agar, would anyone happen to have a good tek for this? Would consider trying it on my next batches if it is the 'right way'? Looking at the mushrooms now five weeks after inoculation and the pinning is visible on 10 of the 11 jars and there is even one mushroom approx 3 or 4 inches long!
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19459146 - 01/22/14 06:39 PM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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For those who don't have agar and petri dishes this works as a half decent substitute: http://www.shroomery.org/8514/Agar-substitute
Use BRF not ground brown rice at 1 tspn brf - 2 1/2 tspn water in your regular half pint widemouth jars. Doesn't hurt to add some food colouring to make the myc and/or contams easier to see.
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: vikingsc]
#19460982 - 01/23/14 04:53 AM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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Ok I understand that but where is a good descriptive tek like the PF tek that I could use to start doing agar?
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Re: First grow 11 jars, looking for all opinions/speculations [Re: Mr.Lahey]
#19460990 - 01/23/14 04:58 AM (10 years, 8 days ago) |
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