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What to expect from 1pt PF jars
    #19399733 - 01/10/14 03:39 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Hello folks,
About 2 years ago I bought some 1pt jars for mushroom growing and finally got around to starting the project about a month ago.  I read the Psilly Psimon guide years ago, and the Oss and Oteric method.  I was going by memory (which I guess didn't serve me--I should have got the 1/2pint!)

So, anyway, the jars took forever to fully colonize but they are now pure, pearly white all the way to the bottom.  I have half that are whole brown rice with a bit of vermiculite, and half that are verm/rye flour inoculated with B+.  Both topped with dry vermiculite.

So my question is, I have 1 pint, not 1/2 pint.  I just assumed that the fruiting and everything should be identical (ie, the dunk 'n roll).  I build a SGFC that should be tall enough to accommodate the taller cakes.

Something else just dawned on me--should I just cut the 1pt cakes in half, giving 2 at ~1/2pint?

The cakes look great.  I'm giving them another 2 or 3 days to make sure they are good an consolidated.

thanks for any advice for a noob like me!


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: John in WI]
    #19399900 - 01/10/14 04:05 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

you wont to consolidate for at least a week after 100% colonization. Don't cut them in half. That's just asking for contams.


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19399951 - 01/10/14 04:14 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Thanks for the info.  They came in unevenly, so some are already at 1 week, some need a few days.  You're right--no sense in rushing and blowing it now. 

I'm curious--is there a reason the classic method uses 1/2 pint?  My gut feeling would be "bigger is better".  More surface area=more area for pinning.  More volume=more food for the shrooms.

As I said--it took forever to colonize as I only installed 2 inoculation holes instead of 4.  So the mycellium had to grow both from the top down, and halfway around the circumference of the jar.

That's what I get for knocking up the jars, and THEN reading about how an educated person would go about it!  Anyway, it's nice and white, and it seems like things went fine.  I'll just give it another 3 or 4 days to make sure.


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: John in WI]
    #19399970 - 01/10/14 04:18 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

larger jars just take to long to colonize but they should fruit fine.


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: John in WI]
    #19400159 - 01/10/14 04:51 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Yeah-they sure took their sweet time.  Also, my temperatures were below optimal for the first week or so which didn't help.

But, this is much like my other passion--growing orchids.  It just takes as long as it takes.  And when you try to hurry, you screw it up. 

I admit I'm very anxious to see what happens now--nice colonized cakes, nice shiny new SGFC....  Hobby mycology has come a huge way since my first attempt in the early 90's (the pre-internet, shady spore companies in the back of High Times days)


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: John in WI]
    #19400168 - 01/10/14 04:54 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I do not see any reason why you couldn't cut them in half with a sterile sharp blade if that's what you wanted to do. Would not increase contam risk if they are fully colonised :thumbup:


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: Skinty]
    #19400293 - 01/10/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

:whathesaid: Although I dont see the need to cut them in half.


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: mushmagic]
    #19400309 - 01/10/14 05:23 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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:whathesaid: Although I dont see the need to cut them in half.




:whathesaid:

I don't know an awful lot about this but I suppose cutting it in half would give more surface area and more even moisture content :shrug:

I don't see many good pics of 1 pint cakes but I see a lot of good pics with smaller cakes :shrug::thumbup:


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: Skinty]
    #19400332 - 01/10/14 05:28 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I could see it changing the moisture content of the bottom an top of the cake a bit but increasing the surface area wont increase fruit production.


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: mushmagic]
    #19400350 - 01/10/14 05:31 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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increasing the surface area wont increase fruit production.




Not sure about that. FAE / evaporation across more surface area will lead to more fruits quicker. Over time you would get the same yield but you might get that same yield quicker from less surface area :thumbup:


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: Skinty]
    #19400380 - 01/10/14 05:38 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

My point was just that you would still yield the same because the sub can only support so much growth.


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: mushmagic]
    #19400396 - 01/10/14 05:43 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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My point was just that you would still yield the same because the sub can only support so much growth.




:whathesaid: I think my post conveyed the same idea:wave:


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: Skinty]
    #19400412 - 01/10/14 05:47 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Word lol:wave:


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19400435 - 01/10/14 05:53 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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larger jars just take to long to colonize but they should fruit fine.




They'll certainly fruit fine as is, but it's not just that they take too long to colonize.  Unless you're very careful, as the OP clearly was, you can get compaction at the bottom of the pint jars.  Sometimes you can get it even if you're careful--there's a twice as much mass (and therefore twice as much pressure) resting on the stuff on the very bottom.  Sometimes growth will stall completely at the bottom of the jar when this happens, and since steam sterilization is often not quite complete, bacteria can thrive in those uncolonized places.  It really stinks when that happens.  Literally.


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Re: What to expect from 1pt PF jars [Re: Psilicon]
    #19400742 - 01/10/14 07:20 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

thanks for the info guys.  I have 8 cakes.  I think I will do 6 of them in the 1pt size, and for the heck of try to cut 2 in half.  It would be a fun experiment if I had a monoculture.  But I inoculated from a syringe so I won't be able to compare anything cake to cake.


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