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Girlfriend wants to try, good idea??
    #19397567 - 01/10/14 06:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hello!

Its been a while since i wrote on this board.
I have learned so much from people in here and it have been a very good experience.
Now its time to ask the wise people some questions again :smile:

My girlfriend (been together almost a year) has no experience at all when it comes to other drugs than alcohol, me myself have a bit more.
I have talked about my good and fun trips on mush and she really wants to try it.

But iam not quite sure that i want her to do that :/
If she is going to try it she want to do it with me...so i cant sit her.
I have done about 8 trips and the highest dosage was around 5grams.
So iam not that experienced either.
And none of her friends cant be there either, mine is perfectly fine.
However i dont know if thats a good idea..

Reasons i dont want to do it with her:
Maybe it will blow up our relationship? maybe she goes T-rex or something x)
Even worse maybe she gets so fucked up after the trip, then the responsibility is on my shoulders.

I dont really now what to do with her under the trip?
With my friends we just chill, talk shit, listen to psy music(she dont like that kind of music)

Please wise people out there help me out should i introduce her to mush?
Give me some tip what you can do and so on.
I have never tripped with a girl before so :/


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: shootoox]
    #19397583 - 01/10/14 07:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Depends what you think of her mentality, is she stable?
Does she know what she's actually getting into?

If I was debating tripping with a girlfriend my prep would be:

Condition 1: She reads this http://www.shroomery.org/6256/The-Psychedelic-Experience-FAQ

Organise set & setting to the best possible standard.

Keep the dose low.

Maybe grab a couple benzos of some kind for last-resort trip abort.


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19397588 - 01/10/14 07:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

High dose of MaryJane first? Some oil? Go a little gradually if you are sure.. go extremly gradually if you are with doubt.


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: Icyus]
    #19397611 - 01/10/14 07:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Tell her aswell that if she's going into this wanting to see some weird shit she has to be ready for a weird headspace to accompany it (or deal with minor visuals on a low dose, which is probably the better of 2 options).

I think a lot of people who haven't tripped have a preperception of what it's going to be like (often rainbows and unicorns and pink dragons).


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19397649 - 01/10/14 07:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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teenagehippie said:
Depends what you think of her mentality, is she stable?
Does she know what she's actually getting into?

If I was debating tripping with a girlfriend my prep would be:

Condition 1: She reads this http://www.shroomery.org/6256/The-Psychedelic-Experience-FAQ

Organise set & setting to the best possible standard.

Keep the dose low.

Maybe grab a couple benzos of some kind for last-resort trip abort.




This sounds like a great way to approach it.

If I were introducing a psychedelic-naive girlfriend to mushrooms, I would want to have her make some effort over a the course of a few weeks or months to become familiar with them on a conceptual level.  This reduces the risk of her going into it with very unrealistic expectations.  Reading documents like the one teenagehippie linked is a good way to start.

I would also want to tailor the set and setting myself, based on what I know about her.  If I know she doesn't like psy-trance, there will be no psy-trance present.  If I didn't know what to do with her during the trip, we'd talk about it and generate ideas together beforehand.  This is pretty easy stuff; you just have to do your homework.  Make sure that she'll be comfortable, relaxed, and entertained (if need be) and that ya'll won't be interrupted.

I certainly wouldn't hesitate to introduce just about any willing subject to mushrooms, regardless of their prior drug experience.  They're a very benevolent and safe presence in my life, if approached with care and intelligence.  As far as I'm concerned there are no firm prerequisites, but there are things you can do to ensure good set & setting and encourage a blissful first experience.

:aweyeah:

p.s. I find it funny that you're thinking of shrooming with your girlfriend for the first time while hanging out with your friends.  Wouldn't it be infinitely better to be alone together and have a more intimate psychedelic experience? :cookiemonster:


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: hmmn]
    #19397757 - 01/10/14 08:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Bottom line, if she isn't prepared to educate herself about psychedelics and the experience (as noted above), then I wouldn't even consider it. Last thing you wanna do is walk into a trip with somebody who is naive about the whole thing. I've seen too many people freak out and spoil the trip for themselves and whoever else is there, despite any amount of support. In fact, support during a trip can bring on a feeling of insecurity in that they need to be supported.

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"Reasons i dont want to do it with her:
Maybe it will blow up our relationship? maybe she goes T-rex or something x)
Even worse maybe she gets so fucked up after the trip, then the responsibility is on my shoulders.

I dont really now what to do with her under the trip?
With my friends we just chill, talk shit, listen to psy music(she dont like that kind of music)"




What I've found consistent in psychedelics is the perspective they give on your life or situations you place attention on. Your relationship will fall into that sphere, and if she has ANY doubts about your relationship, whether she realises or not, they will likely surface during the trip. Who knows. Maybe she'll decide the relationship isn't working for whatever reason, or maybe she'll realise how lucky she is to have a forward thinking boyfriend who wants her to experience the outer realms of consciousness. You yourself have to be accepting of any eventualities as a result of the trip(s).

You don't know what to do with her? She is your girlfriend...? Get to know her more intimately, explore thought, explore your bodies, laugh, cry, bond, grow.

Oh, and please don't have her first trip be with your friends, too! Maybe she won't want to be in that head space around your friends while you're talking shit and listening to psy music. At least give her the opportunity to find herself before throwing her into a group setting.

Enjoy yourself!


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19397789 - 01/10/14 08:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

teenagehippie said:
Depends what you think of her mentality, is she stable?
Does she know what she's actually getting into?

If I was debating tripping with a girlfriend my prep would be:

Condition 1: She reads this http://www.shroomery.org/6256/The-Psychedelic-Experience-FAQ

Organise set & setting to the best possible standard.

Keep the dose low.

Maybe grab a couple benzos of some kind for last-resort trip abort.


^:thumbup: Good advise here.
I remember I was the one who gave my girl some clean love for her first psychedelic experience.  350 mics of yummyness.  We've been together 6 years now.  Was one of the better decisions I've ever made.


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: ThePrototype]
    #19397819 - 01/10/14 08:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with what those who posted before me have said!  If she wnts to trip, thats good! Make shure she knows what she is geting into.  Dont be a douch. Its her experience, dont bring your friends! Low dose, plenty of education and a good supportive atmosphere will help insure that she has a positive experienc!  For me personally, I enjoy at least having the option to explore nature...so maybe get a hotel or cabin by a lake or park!...idk..theres lots of factors to consider, the main thing is she wants to trip! No one is talking her into it! Dont rush it tho, get some shrooms, let her educate herself...and when she feels the time is right, im sure you will both have a deep and meaningfull experience!


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: tripmob]
    #19397879 - 01/10/14 08:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would recommend a familiar setting for both of you, maybe a nice comfy place to lay down, listen to music, watch a flick, meditate/whatever flys your kite.  I found a shower is always nice during a trip.
Just make sure that there is no fear.  Especially on your part, you'd be surprised how easily a trip guide can project their own fears onto the tripper.  Remember read that PDF and that fear is the mindkiller.


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invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19398089 - 01/10/14 09:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Make sure she's comfortable and have some f`in fun:grin:


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19398316 - 01/10/14 10:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

teenagehippie said:
Depends what you think of her mentality, is she stable?
Does she know what she's actually getting into?

If I was debating tripping with a girlfriend my prep would be:

Condition 1: She reads this http://www.shroomery.org/6256/The-Psychedelic-Experience-FAQ

Organise set & setting to the best possible standard.

Keep the dose low.

Maybe grab a couple benzos of some kind for last-resort trip abort.




^This is a good bit of advice.

Definately start low.
When I introduced my wife to mushrooms she also had no experience with anything but alcohol, but she was very curious to try them. Our first trip together was only 0.5g, but she had a blast. Each succesive trip we took after that we increased the dose by 0.5g untill we went past her comfort level, and then we adjusted the dosage accordingly. 2-2.5g was too intense for her, but 1.75g is about perfect.

If you have easy access to inexpensive mushrooms I suggest you try it that way.

If you are paying market price for them, and/or they only come around rarely then I suggest starting at 1-1.5g dosage range.


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #19398352 - 01/10/14 10:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd stay away from benzo's personally.  It really can add to the trauma if you just abort. 
Leary and Alpert suggested the psyche needs to work through the issues your mind brings up rather than avoiding them. 
Beyond that, every "bad" trip I've ever had was equally profound in not moreso than my "good" trips.  They can be very useful even if it may take years for the mind to integrate them enough to fully comprehend the experience.
My salvia trip absolutely obliterated any semblance of self before I'd ever even seen the term "ego-loss" (my fault for not being more informed).  I haven't touched sally since. But years later that existential mind-fuck has meant more to me then 90% of my other psychedelic experience. (which believe it or not in more extensive then most).
Then again, a nice benzo afterwards when you cant sleep is another story altogether...


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
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Edited by TheGreenArrow (01/10/14 10:47 AM)


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: shootoox]
    #19398557 - 01/10/14 11:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you so much guys for the support, means alot to me!
I will show her the thread that was linked here and make her read it :smile:

And dont get me wrong i know my girlfriend very well (at least what i think) but all people have secrets.
But if iam just very secure with her and tell her that every thing is going to be fine i think it all gonna work out.

I have introduced 4 of my friends and every single one have been loving it.
So i guess iam just a bit scared now when it comes to my girlfriend hehe.

What dosage you guys recommend 1gram?
And a question i just have to ask  :grin:

Sex under a trip?
I have only read that sex and all things that comes with it is kinda lame under mush/lsd trip.

And benzo is not that good of idea i kinda hate it, personal experience...


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: shootoox]
    #19398639 - 01/10/14 11:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

mushroom sex is increadible  :aweoverdose:


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #19398878 - 01/10/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

She shouldn't do it if she's mentally unstable, it seems you have no confidence in her actually liking/loving you, and feel a dose has the potential to make her dump you.

Be reasonable, it's hypocritical of you to trip, tell her how amazing it is, then deny her. What if she did the same thing to you with sex or something, and fed you a line like "oh it would just ruin our relationship if we did that, it's amazing for me though"! Yeah doesn't sound cool right? Just be fair and let her try 1.5 grams and see if she enjoys it or not. 1.5 grams wont be enough to give her any kind of profound realizations, or blow her mind. She'll get a body vibe, some color distortion, should be a fun positive experience for her, as long as you don't kill the vibe. Have amazing music to play for tripping, i'm sure she'll have a good time.

Really if you didn't want her to trip, then don't share that part of your life/lifestyle with her, or other GF's in the future. I don't think it's fair to tell people how amazing certain experiences you have are, then deny them the chance to enjoy something you've been lauding. That's just not cool man.


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #19400058 - 01/10/14 04:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

OH!
This post made it all clear to me, you seem like a very smart person.
Really thx alot opened up my view for things.

And i now she really loves me alot, iam just afraid to mess things up.
Stupid thoughs i know.

You rock  :bow2:


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: shootoox]
    #19400357 - 01/10/14 05:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

give that bitch 4 grams and set her straight... her true feelings will cum out


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: Deathcore]
    #19405527 - 01/11/14 07:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Lower dose. 1 gram or so. Stay sober. Just the two of you. Everything tailored to her likes. Make a playlist of songs she likes and none for emotional reasons.  Example being if she loves a song because it reminds her of someone who died . . . avoid it. Comfy clothes. Realize it may be best to leave her alone if she goes deep and is working something out. Dont be over protective and constantly ask her how she is and if she is ok. Also be secure knowing she isnt going to die or anything.


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: Smeagol]
    #19405618 - 01/11/14 08:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Be careful if shes on any type of medication. I am not the person to ask when it comes to the subject, but no one brought it up and I felt it needed to be said.


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Re: Girlfriend wants to try, good idea?? [Re: Drumdude27]
    #19405673 - 01/11/14 08:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is a simple situation of evaluating your knowledge of her mind and her body, and coupling that together with her knowledge of her mind and body. How well does she deal with emotions? How well does she handle stress? There are plenty of these sort of questions to ask, and only you two know the answers!

It is a difficult decision, but it's always a risk. It was a risk when YOU first started, it is for her as well. I feel like it is way better for her to do it with someone who has experience like yourself than in the unpredictable future.


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