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hookahhead
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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: karode13]
#19396827 - 01/10/14 12:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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karode13 said:
I work with plant poisons/chemicals daily.
Look friends! Smart people you know and love are being put at risk daily. I would hate to lose karode13 to unnecessary death or disease. Brought on by something that POISONS LIFE (not as fun to say as LEXICON, which is kinda the opposite) Change your ways, change OUR world. karode13 I YOU!
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theMallacht
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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: karode13]
#19396898 - 01/10/14 12:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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karode13 said: Imidacloprid should work for the mealies, I use this stuff all the time on ornamental plants and used malathion twice on a few cactus. It's what they generally use commercially and if you're not eating them then I don't see the worry.
A lime sulphur mix will knock the mite population down, it's used on roses for this purpose. Test a few plants first and do it early morning or late in the afternoon to avoid sunburn. Then frequent(2-3 times a week) hosing downs should control over the peak infestation period.
Wait a few weeks for the systemic to work then you can re pot into fresh mix. In the meantime look for something to mix up with the imidacloprid so you don't get a resistant population.
Good advice, thanks karode. Yeah, I figured that Imidacloprid would do it too... I probably just wasn't consistent enough with it. Gotta kill off all the lifecycles and all that. I'm going to use that and probably make a light soil drenching of Azamax, as I know it is pretty effective on soil born stuff. I used it to get rid of Thrips one time, I had the soil born kind and they kept coming back in flushes like crazy. Two good flushings with Azamax and I've never seen them back again, good stuff.
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karode13 said: Nice to see you around the garden again.
Thanks man. It's good having the time to post again, instead of working my ass off all the time.
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karode13
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Don't worry. I only use what I need to and am always looking at more eco friendly and less toxic chemicals to use. I'm a constant pain in my employers arse when it comes to the chemicals we use.
@intelligentlife: I was just making sure you knew what you had so you are safe.
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hookahhead
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For the record, and to save my self from looking like more of a fool, Hookah is not entirely against synthetic, but prefer that if you are going to use them that you are educated in their use.
-------------------- "My worm farm" "96 Gallon Worm Tote" "Let Your Freak Flag Fly" "Respect Your Roots" "A KNEW IDEA"
"Nothing New" "Willkommen im EthnoGarten" "Don't Be a Backeberg" "Mites and Mealy Bugs" "The Heart and the Sun"
If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard
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theMallacht
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Well yeah, as far as insecticides go if it's organic it usually means it doesn't work very well, or work at all. Azamax is sort of organic, it's made from an extract of the Neem plant, but Imida definitely is synthetic. Super effective though, that's what I typically use on anything I'm not going to eat, roses and other ornamental plants.
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karode13
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theMallacht said:
Good advice, thanks karode. Yeah, I figured that Imidacloprid would do it too... I probably just wasn't consistent enough with it. Gotta kill off all the lifecycles and all that. I'm going to use that and probably make a light soil drenching of Azamax, as I know it is pretty effective on soil born stuff. I used it to get rid of Thrips one time, I had the soil born kind and they kept coming back in flushes like crazy. Two good flushings with Azamax and I've never seen them back again, good stuff.
Thanks man. It's good having the time to post again, instead of working my ass off all the time.
I work too much as well so understand. My posting suffers for it as I don't have the time to study like I used to. Or too much drama when I'm too tired for it.  
Would probably pay to use the systemic for the growing season duration. Re apply as directed. The active in Azamax is great, it's sold down here under the trade name Vertimec and I got hold of some to trial on buxus hedges for Two spotted mites. Works so well and has made my life easier. Got some for the cactus but haven't needed it yet.
@hookah: I'm not a fan either but when an established collection/crop is at critical risk of dying because of mass infestation you need to pull out the bigger guns first. To prevent this you need to intergrate a pest management program to suit your garden and your wants, ie: synthetic vs. organic, little bit of damage vs. no damage etc...
Of course, having the time for it all is another thing entirely.....
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intelligentlife
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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: karode13]
#19396974 - 01/10/14 01:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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karode13 said:

@intelligentlife: I was just making sure you knew what you had so you are safe.
I have got advice from person who have grown cacti in nursery from 70's how to use dimethoate.
Just said I made mistake one time and therefor now I protect my self good when I use this poison.
Also my family are farmers, grow food for cows need to feed 9months in years with crop they have from fields. They use also pesticides even I am not big fan of this.. They have to do it because we are so north.. only 3months time to grow 9months worth of hay stacks for cows what produce milk to grocery stores.
I have seen lots of agriculture chemicals and fertilizers at big scale to keep agriculture running year around.. 9months indoors, 3months outdoors.
There cow's eat only natural grass.. When they're out, they eat grass and plants from field.. They are not feed with any other shit like elsewhere.. But fertilizing the big fields, and make sure short summer harvest are success, chemicals are need obviously, it's fking expensive if harvest of hay stacks goes wrong and animals can't be fed over 9months..
Winter's are here very long, dark and hard.. But I know these animals doesn't eat anything else than they naturally eat.. No corn or excess antibiotics etc.. Half organic way or milk production.. And yes, these cows are very healthy and fine.. What I have seen big commercial animal growing factories, it makes me sad... My family goes all way organic and feed cows only with hay and summer time they eat grass at field what is not fertilized, they fertilize the fields on their own poop for next year.. But food fields are fertilized with chemicals and used pesticides what break away when it's harvest time after 3months.
But my family doesn't use dimetoate in agriculture.
Only I use it for ornament plants and very randomly.
Edited by intelligentlife (01/10/14 01:27 AM)
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karode13
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Carry on then. Personally I would find a less toxic chemical.
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LSoares
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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: karode13]
#19397051 - 01/10/14 02:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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karode13 said: A lime sulphur mix will knock the mite population down, it's used on roses for this purpose. Test a few plants first and do it early morning or late in the afternoon to avoid sunburn. Then frequent(2-3 times a week) hosing downs should control over the peak infestation period.
Could you please elaborate on this? I'm always on the lookout for safer ways of dealing with RSM.
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karode13 said: used malathion twice on a few cactus.
Can you still get this down under? It's been banned for ages on Europe, worked like a charm but turned your collection into a sort of fallout zone... Well, since you work in the industry maybe you have access that the general public doesn't have.
I've been using dimethoate (Bayer's Perfekthion, if you want to know), it deals with RSM and I haven't seen a mealie in ages.
One thing that may be important to know is that citrus trees are an excellent source of mealies and oleander bushes / trees provide ample supplies of RSM as well.
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intelligentlife
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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: LSoares]
#19397561 - 01/10/14 06:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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LSoares said:
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karode13 said: A lime sulphur mix will knock the mite population down, it's used on roses for this purpose. Test a few plants first and do it early morning or late in the afternoon to avoid sunburn. Then frequent(2-3 times a week) hosing downs should control over the peak infestation period.
Could you please elaborate on this? I'm always on the lookout for safer ways of dealing with RSM.
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karode13 said: used malathion twice on a few cactus.
Can you still get this down under? It's been banned for ages on Europe, worked like a charm but turned your collection into a sort of fallout zone... Well, since you work in the industry maybe you have access that the general public doesn't have.
I've been using dimethoate (Bayer's Perfekthion, if you want to know), it deals with RSM and I haven't seen a mealie in ages.
One thing that may be important to know is that citrus trees are an excellent source of mealies and oleander bushes / trees provide ample supplies of RSM as well.
How your Dimethoat kill RSM?
My product also obtained from europe contains dimethoat doesn't seems to work to RSM.. Every other bug it will kill as one shot wonder..
What kind of dosages you use? I have pure 30mL bottle of pure blue liquid, only few drops are enough to spray my collection..
If dimethoate kill RSM, what amounts you have been used? Or do I have RSM population immune to dimethoate?
One way I try to keep RSM in control, because they come always indoors at winter.. I start spraying foliage plants at fall, also I cut most foliage away from rose plants and everything what "collects" RSM lots. Seems this winter RSM attack have been very small because I have been kept chili plants alive and cut every big foliage away and also every other plant aswell. And still I spray them daily with water, sometimes with few drops of dimethoat but I should stop using it soon because they go to greenhouse and I don't want to kill spiders. I have now 5months time before I can move plants to greenhouse.. If weather are good and I find the good way to heat my greenhouse, maybe I can move my plants to greenhouse in 4-4,5 months.
Last winter I notice chili and every foliage plants "collect" RSM and they spread to cacti very fast, now I have things more under control, also I keep foliage plants away from cacti but this winter I have not seen RSM in foliage plants nor cacti, only few cacti have some scarring.
OR do your product contains something else with dimethoate?
Interesting since I have find out dimethoate isn't working so much to RMS and also I have informed some RMS populations are immune to dimethoate.
Edited by intelligentlife (01/10/14 07:02 AM)
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LSoares
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I use Bayer Perfekthion at a dosage of (if I can recall correctly) 0.7ml / l. This Australian (the first I could find on Google in english language) leaflet says it all.

I hope that when you say "a few drops" it's just a figure of speech. You should really use this kind of things according to the instructions, or else you will be immunizing the little fu****s.
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Mostly_Harmless
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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: LSoares]
#19397685 - 01/10/14 07:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Neem makes short work of RSM I find. I haven't resorted to other chemicals for mites in a while now. Nice and safe, and no immunity/resistance issues to contend with further down the line. Extremely cheap too!
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LSoares
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Mostly_Harmless said: Neem makes short work of RSM I find.
I'll get back to you on this.
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intelligentlife
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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: LSoares]
#19397843 - 01/10/14 08:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have find neem also very good but I have hard time to use it directly to lophophora..
Other species can tolerate more neem contact.. Because I have there over growing season 24hours of light, seems neem just ruin lophophora skin.. Only way is probably move them to dark and use it..
I have used neem as systemic and seems there is some results, but however pure water and humidity increase seems to work good for me.. Now I have big RSM infection in any plant, maybe few peyote have them but not too much I can't control them..
As maybe someone have seen picture how bad damage I have caused to peyote with neem and light, more worse than RSM scarring.. 
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ferrel_human
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How about synthetic pesticides at a diluted rate? I mean if synthetics are soooo bad, but they are way more effective than organic methods, whats to say we couldnt dilute a synthetic pesticide to make a little more safe? I dont know im high as fuck. Thank you very much mallacht.
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hookahhead
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Has anyone here considered Weak Nicotine Solutions? I know seeds are EASY and FREE to come by... I personally don't care for that plant, but still respect it. Many early SYNTHETIC pesticides were ANALOGUES of nicotine.
Or there is this method.
-------------------- "My worm farm" "96 Gallon Worm Tote" "Let Your Freak Flag Fly" "Respect Your Roots" "A KNEW IDEA"
"Nothing New" "Willkommen im EthnoGarten" "Don't Be a Backeberg" "Mites and Mealy Bugs" "The Heart and the Sun"
If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard
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KBG1977
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hookahhead said: Has anyone here considered Weak Nicotine Solutions? I know seeds are EASY and FREE to come by... I personally don't care for that plant, but still respect it. Many early SYNTHETIC pesticides were ANALOGUES of nicotine.
Or there is this method. 
dude yep,I was going to add,and also you can make a mean spray out of hot chili peppers as well!
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hookahhead
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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: KBG1977]
#19398068 - 01/10/14 09:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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And garlic! Who would have THOUGHT, concentrated plant extracts might contain NATURAL PESTICIDES..
I am not even going to say it anymore...
-------------------- "My worm farm" "96 Gallon Worm Tote" "Let Your Freak Flag Fly" "Respect Your Roots" "A KNEW IDEA"
"Nothing New" "Willkommen im EthnoGarten" "Don't Be a Backeberg" "Mites and Mealy Bugs" "The Heart and the Sun"
If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else. Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you. YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE. Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS. Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices “Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family: Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one. [NOW]” - Jane Howard
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KBG1977
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or send this guy over to your house to scare them off
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hookahhead
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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: KBG1977]
#19398087 - 01/10/14 09:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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KBG1977 said: or send this guy over to your house to scare them off

I prefer the organic NINJA TURTLE over the WHITE WARRIOR, just my preference though 
Don't underestimate the power of the SCARECROW
 "If I only had a BRAIN"
Edited by hookahhead (01/10/14 09:53 AM)
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