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DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes
    #19397862 - 01/10/14 08:42 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

im currently reading dmt spirit molecule (great book!), and have noticed that jungs theories of archetypes are extremely similar to the content of a dmt trip, and his concepts of symbolism are equally applicable.

For example, the book mentions how many people often feel that they are in "rooms" or experience traveling different places. this seems similar to a dream, and jung believed that different rooms/setting in a dream represented different parts of the mind associated with different feelings.


I have also noticed that the content of DMT trips often contain jungian archetypes. One being the 'trickster'-it is pretty common for people to experience clowns, jesters, and other carnival like beings on a dmt trip. people also experience 'shadow beings', which of course coincides with jungs idea of 'the shadow'

not sure what to make of it, but its interesting to see some of the similarities between dreams symbolism, and the content of a dmt trip


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: longstrangetrip8]
    #19397979 - 01/10/14 09:16 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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im currently reading dmt spirit molecule (great book!), and have noticed that jungs theories of archetypes are extremely similar to the content of a dmt trip, and his concepts of symbolism are equally applicable.




There are patterns that these guys are picking up on, which are common, however their theories are somewhat crackpot.

people have been fascinated with ideas, forms, and symbolic meaning since before symbolic language.

My take on it is collative (collective is close) and associative:
simply stated, if you have several images with the same idea in them and you can align them over each other like translucent slides, you will end up with a composite 'archetype' or symbol...
you have associated many individual ideas and made a collective symbol that blends all of them together.
Common features become enlarged and enhanced while uncommon ones become blended into the "noise" of the background to the figure. (keep this in mind when we discuss the clown - and trickster)
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For example, the book mentions how many people often feel that they are in "rooms" or experience traveling different places. this seems similar to a dream, and jung believed that different rooms/setting in a dream represented different parts of the mind associated with different feelings.




Memory links all the sense channels together for events that happened together in one moment, and it links a series of moments together in passage.
When you remember something you recall a tableau from fragmentary triggers (pieces of sensation or ideas that were in the "room") and the rest of the 'room' coalesces around that, while the memory of the moment gells, similar or adjacent moments also coalesce.

The gestalt of the memory is like a room, but more than a room it is like a dimension of that room like place with other similar rooms flickering nearby.

as with all memory, pieces of the memory are distributed all throughout the cortex. rooms are not physically sequestered, i.e. they cannot be surgically removed by excising a cluster of cells from the brain.
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I have also noticed that the content of DMT trips often contain jungian archetypes. One being the 'trickster'-it is pretty common for people to experience clowns, jesters, and other carnival like beings on a dmt trip. people also experience 'shadow beings', which of course coincides with jungs idea of 'the shadow'




Jung is totally appropriating mythology without actually proposing anything, although in appropriating and appreciating what is there, he does a great job of pointing the way to something interesting.

In any case, big lipped, red nosed, goofy eyes and hair with oversized buttons and shoes is exactly what you get when you create a layered image of a man using hundreds of men semitransparently.

If you are on DMT or any other psychedelic, and you look at the mirror, your reflection will  become clown-like as the persistence of vision layers your view of your wavering image. Clowns range from funny to hideous. the symbol's meaning is neither hideous or ludicrous unless you take it too seriously. It is composite.

The trickster is more than just a reflection of yourself visually, it is the layers of desire, wisdom, and folly that you yourself represent.
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not sure what to make of it, but its interesting to see some of the similarities between dreams symbolism, and the content of a dmt trip



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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19398055 - 01/10/14 09:36 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Then of course, not to discredit what you write, there are living entities that one can happen upon while fully awake.  They often talk in plain voices.  One of the biggest hurdles that I've had to surmount in my life is the game that some of these beings play.  They trick you over and over until you are exhausted and bleeding energy and life force.  Its very real and engaging rather.  They are like orbs or little wispy flashes of light that come and go.  Some are a jet inky wet black look.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19398505 - 01/10/14 11:28 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

what ever you think of is real.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19398703 - 01/10/14 12:08 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I can't levitate an object...:confused:


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: longstrangetrip8]
    #19398719 - 01/10/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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im currently reading dmt spirit molecule (great book!), and have noticed that jungs theories of archetypes are extremely similar to the content of a dmt trip, and his concepts of symbolism are equally applicable.

For example, the book mentions how many people often feel that they are in "rooms" or experience traveling different places. this seems similar to a dream, and jung believed that different rooms/setting in a dream represented different parts of the mind associated with different feelings.


I have also noticed that the content of DMT trips often contain jungian archetypes. One being the 'trickster'-it is pretty common for people to experience clowns, jesters, and other carnival like beings on a dmt trip. people also experience 'shadow beings', which of course coincides with jungs idea of 'the shadow'

not sure what to make of it, but its interesting to see some of the similarities between dreams symbolism, and the content of a dmt trip





I did not like that book - I didn't think it was going to be filled with psuedo-scientific jumble.
In response to your topic, the mind can create some pretty crazy hallucinations when certain receptors are activated and it seems that certain psychedelics have similar hallucinations among people with similar life experiences, leading me to believe that the hallucinations are driven in part by life experience and in part by what receptors are being activated.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19398728 - 01/10/14 12:13 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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In psychology, genetic memory is a memory present at birth that exists in the absence of sensory experience, and is incorporated into the genome over long spans of time.[1] It is based on the idea that common experiences of a species become incorporated into its genetic code, not by a Lamarckian process that encodes specific memories but by a much vaguer tendency to encode a readiness to respond in certain ways to certain stimuli.

Genetic memory is invoked to explain the racial memory postulated by Carl Jung. In Jungian psychology, racial memories are posited memories, feelings and ideas inherited from our ancestors as part of a "collective unconscious".
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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19399176 - 01/10/14 01:40 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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I can't levitate an object...:confused:



voila!
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an in the case of declaring otherwise,
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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19399193 - 01/10/14 01:41 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: longstrangetrip8]
    #19403609 - 01/11/14 12:27 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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im currently reading dmt spirit molecule (great book!), and have noticed that jungs theories of archetypes are extremely similar to the content of a dmt trip, and his concepts of symbolism are equally applicable.

For example, the book mentions how many people often feel that they are in "rooms" or experience traveling different places. this seems similar to a dream, and jung believed that different rooms/setting in a dream represented different parts of the mind associated with different feelings.


I have also noticed that the content of DMT trips often contain jungian archetypes. One being the 'trickster'-it is pretty common for people to experience clowns, jesters, and other carnival like beings on a dmt trip. people also experience 'shadow beings', which of course coincides with jungs idea of 'the shadow'

not sure what to make of it, but its interesting to see some of the similarities between dreams symbolism, and the content of a dmt trip




What exactly do you mean by "shadow beings?" The Shadow in Analytical Psychology consists in all those aspects of oneself that are suppressed and repressed into the unconscious. That is to say, all those qualities which are opposite to one's conscious attitudes. So, for example, I am a heterosexual male whose sexual orientation is skewed way up the heterosexual continuum. I have never even momentarily entertained a conscious sexual thought about a male. However, I have met one iteration of suppressed/repressed homosexual tendencies in my dreams, wherein a leather-jacketed hustler is encountered under one of those elevated railways that one might find in Queens, NY where I've seen such structures. The very name 'Queens' further suggests a gay male. Dream characters are always aspects of one's own psyche, they are never who or what they appear to be in real life.

I do not disagree with you that psychedelic experiences allows for unconscious archetypal material to become conscious as archetypal images. I just want to be sure we understand the Jungian Shadow here, and that you are not referring to psychic images of shadowy looking entities. :shrug:


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19403778 - 01/11/14 01:03 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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What exactly do you mean by "shadow beings?" The Shadow in Analytical Psychology consists in all those aspects of oneself that are suppressed and repressed into the unconscious. That is to say, all those qualities which are opposite to one's conscious attitudes. So, for example, I am a heterosexual male whose sexual orientation is skewed way up the heterosexual continuum. I have never even momentarily entertained a conscious sexual thought about a male. However, I have met one iteration of suppressed/repressed homosexual tendencies in my dreams, wherein a leather-jacketed hustler is encountered under one of those elevated railways that one might find in Queens, NY where I've seen such structures. The very name 'Queens' further suggests a gay male. Dream characters are always aspects of one's own psyche, they are never who or what they appear to be in real life.

I do not disagree with you that psychedelic experiences allows for unconscious archetypal material to become conscious as archetypal images. I just want to be sure we understand the Jungian Shadow here, and that you are not referring to psychic images of shadowy looking entities. :shrug:




I suppose that depends on what you mean by 'encountered' :satansmoking:.  If I saw a leather-jacketed male hustler in Queens in my dream, personally it would represent the consequences of self-deluded dreams.  Maybe he ran away to New York to become an actor without a job lined up and found himself working the streets. I think the real thought suppression occurs after you've woken up.  For me, there's a brief window where I actually have to process through my dream to keep it as a memory, before it's lost back in the unconscious.  If it's something too disturbing, for better or worse, it can be trashed.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19404134 - 01/11/14 02:28 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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longstrangetrip8 said:
im currently reading dmt spirit molecule (great book!), and have noticed that jungs theories of archetypes are extremely similar to the content of a dmt trip, and his concepts of symbolism are equally applicable.

For example, the book mentions how many people often feel that they are in "rooms" or experience traveling different places. this seems similar to a dream, and jung believed that different rooms/setting in a dream represented different parts of the mind associated with different feelings.


I have also noticed that the content of DMT trips often contain jungian archetypes. One being the 'trickster'-it is pretty common for people to experience clowns, jesters, and other carnival like beings on a dmt trip. people also experience 'shadow beings', which of course coincides with jungs idea of 'the shadow'

not sure what to make of it, but its interesting to see some of the similarities between dreams symbolism, and the content of a dmt trip




What exactly do you mean by "shadow beings?" The Shadow in Analytical Psychology consists in all those aspects of oneself that are suppressed and repressed into the unconscious. That is to say, all those qualities which are opposite to one's conscious attitudes. So, for example, I am a heterosexual male whose sexual orientation is skewed way up the heterosexual continuum. I have never even momentarily entertained a conscious sexual thought about a male. However, I have met one iteration of suppressed/repressed homosexual tendencies in my dreams, wherein a leather-jacketed hustler is encountered under one of those elevated railways that one might find in Queens, NY where I've seen such structures. The very name 'Queens' further suggests a gay male. Dream characters are always aspects of one's own psyche, they are never who or what they appear to be in real life.

I do not disagree with you that psychedelic experiences allows for unconscious archetypal material to become conscious as archetypal images. I just want to be sure we understand the Jungian Shadow here, and that you are not referring to psychic images of shadowy looking entities. :shrug:




good post, and thats a valid point, as it brings up the uniqueness of the content of both dreams and a trip. while there are universal patterns, whats truly important is what the content means to the person who viewed it, and the thoughts and feeling THEY associate with it. these things will mean something different for everyone else. that being said, while their are strong similarities , dmt trips are still very different than dreams in my experience, and maybe dmt symbolism works different than ordinary dreams?

in a dream and even waking consciousness the shadow, the joker, anima/animus are projections of our own insecurities/personality traits/desires/etc, and in our dreams we tend to project them on things somewhat ordinary or relevant to our daily life. (other people, pets, places we know, etc).

from this stance, it seems that dmt is on a completely different plane than dreaming in the regard that the content and symbolism is far more obscure, abstract, and bizzare, yhan we are accostomed to in waking or even sleeping states of consciousness. yet they are universal. jung often pointed out how we think through symbols, and that symbolic meaning is deeply tied to language and the words we use, and visa versa. these coinciding dmt trip themes could maybe a a different glimpse into some deeper type of symbolism?

I admittedly  have no clue, but its fun reading other peoples views on this stuff.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: longstrangetrip8]
    #19404438 - 01/11/14 03:50 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

the waking dream (DMT +others) is a bit different from the sleeping dream in that you usually have a feed of live visual fragments and live auditory fragments etc. getting into the mix.
otherwise it is the same brain doing layered mind state thing.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #19404480 - 01/11/14 04:00 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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the waking dream (DMT +others) is a bit different from the sleeping dream in that you usually have a feed of live visual fragments and live auditory fragments etc. getting into the mix.
otherwise it is the same brain doing layered mind state thing.




Hmm, I think they're massively different, and visual contact with externality influencing entheogenic visions is hardly the key factor - vape enough DMT quickly enough and you can remove that element easily (60mg+).  I think maybe the deliriant Solanaceae plants (datura, belladonna) might produce something more akin to a 'waking dream' in terms of the brain doing anything comparable.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19404528 - 01/11/14 04:11 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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What exactly do you mean by "shadow beings?" The Shadow in Analytical Psychology consists in all those aspects of oneself that are suppressed and repressed into the unconscious. That is to say, all those qualities which are opposite to one's conscious attitudes. So, for example, I am a heterosexual male whose sexual orientation is skewed way up the heterosexual continuum. I have never even momentarily entertained a conscious sexual thought about a male. However, I have met one iteration of suppressed/repressed homosexual tendencies in my dreams, wherein a leather-jacketed hustler is encountered under one of those elevated railways that one might find in Queens, NY where I've seen such structures. The very name 'Queens' further suggests a gay male. Dream characters are always aspects of one's own psyche, they are never who or what they appear to be in real life.

I do not disagree with you that psychedelic experiences allows for unconscious archetypal material to become conscious as archetypal images. I just want to be sure we understand the Jungian Shadow here, and that you are not referring to psychic images of shadowy looking entities. :shrug:




I suppose that depends on what you mean by 'encountered' :satansmoking:.  If I saw a leather-jacketed male hustler in Queens in my dream, personally it would represent the consequences of self-deluded dreams.  Maybe he ran away to New York to become an actor without a job lined up and found himself working the streets. I think the real thought suppression occurs after you've woken up.  For me, there's a brief window where I actually have to process through my dream to keep it as a memory, before it's lost back in the unconscious.  If it's something too disturbing, for better or worse, it can be trashed.




There is no back-story to a character in your dreams. This hustler is a symbolic representation of a constellation of associations that coalesced as this image. My dream-ego is looking at a representation of this constellation of rejected feelings and behaviors. These feelings and behaviors are potentialities in anyone, but in myself they are thoroughly repressed in my conscious life, yet revealed as one iteration of my Shadow. Of course I have other iterations. I have had a recurring dream that has been SO convincing that I really was rattled upon awakening. Those dreams were about someone I had murdered with another person, and buried. In the dream, the forgotten 'memory' became a nightmare theme. I was horrified in my dream AND upon awakening, that I had been a murderer at some point but had forgotten (repressed) the fact. I have been watching the TV show 'Dexter,' sometimes 4 at a clip, and I've sen menaced by him once in my dream, and last night, a semi-erotic dream about the female murderer he falls for. In my conscious life, I am NOT a murderer, but I have the potential to murder, I simply suppress/repress any desire to do so. The Michael C. Hall Dexter character is merely a representation, constructed from TV images, of my own repressed murderer. We don't dream about other people, our unconscious constructs aspects of itself in the guise of other people, real or fictional, that represent those aspects of our own psyche.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: longstrangetrip8]
    #19404616 - 01/11/14 04:28 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Admittedly, dreams and visions are not identical states of consciousness, yet it is the medium of the unconscious through which the forms emerge, and those forms have  psychic infrastructure of archetypes. Archetypes themselves are not visible, but they do give rise to archetypal images, of which abstracts and mandalic shapes are the usual. The characters that you name from Analytical Psychology derive from archetypal themes, may or may not emerge in DMT visions. I think I've had DMT only once a very long time ago, but I've read the accounts in Strassman's books, and just as Heinrich Kluver discovered with Mescaline in the 1920s, there are certain phenomenologies of form that emerge in the DMT experience. ALL experience has archetypal underpinnings. It is the universal structure from which individual differences take form. It's like numbers, although I am more conversant with (English) language. If A to Z represent universals, all the different combinations of these universals are what form individuality. The inner worlds of dream and visions draws from outer sensory experiences, but also from the symbol-making nature of the unconscious, producing the chimeras of mythologies, fairy tales, folklore, dreams, visions, fantasy and science fiction.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19404750 - 01/11/14 04:53 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

So, when you're awake and you walk by a leather jacketed hustler under a railway, would your normal conscious mind not pick up/generate any reading at all from their emotional state and the atmospheric environment?  I mean, is that the difference for you when your dreaming, and your mind generates this drama, as opposed to when something like it is happening in waking life -normally you'd just go on thinking about whatever it is MtG  thinks about, repressing emotional data.

Edit: Is it really even that you're repressing emotions/behaviors that are too unacceptable for you to deal with in your waking life, or is it just that your personality type is one that's incredibly self-absorbed with your own mentally generated stimulus, so your mind plays catch up with all the stuff you didn't actively process yet still made an impact on your brain, but only in your sleep :crazy2:.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19404839 - 01/11/14 05:15 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I think lots of different things go on in dreams.  Some, imo are very practical and are about outside people and events but always colored by personal emotionalism.  Some are totally about ourselves.  Some seem to have almost nothing directly to do with inside or outside present life. 

Anecdotally I would say that many of my dreams seem to be about other lives on other worlds.  :feelsweirdman:


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: Icelander]
    #19404912 - 01/11/14 05:32 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Fairly often I have dreams where I have no dream ego, nothing is happening to me, and I'm not a part of the picture.  I'm not even playing the role of somebody else, it's just like watching a film that I've lost myself in.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19404996 - 01/11/14 05:56 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

If my conscious mind evaluated someone as being a hustler, it would probably remain in neutral as I don't feel desirous or averse to his profession. Like any other male encountered in an urban setting, I would simultaneously be evaluating any potential threat to my safety, but that has little direct connection to his role, other than that he belongs to 'street life,' and isn't a doctor, lawyer or Indian chief with a more professional persona. I might find a bar girl attractive and desirable, but I have never purchased sex, and I am married now, so regardless of what emotions might arise during an encounter with a female prostitute, I might not suppress those feelings, but I wouldn't act upon them. Now, when I was hailed by a pretty, long-haired blonde male hustler after a Thanksgiving dinner, while waiting in my car for my ex-wife to come out of the convenience store, I remember the guy commenting on how calm I appeared as he nervously strutted to and fro, flipping his hair back. I responded politely, "Well, I just ate a big Thanksgiving dinner," I said, instead of  "well, I don't see anything to get excited about." He WAS a pretty 'boy,' which is something I could see (though not desire), and I knew that HE knew that, but a more emotionally correct response would have been needlessly insulting and sexist. :shrug: Just because I'm hetero doesn't mean I can't perceive male beauty, but that perception isn't accompanied by sexual attraction. I HAVE been fooled by transvestites on more than one occasion (always embarrassed because everyone I'm with sees immediately), and I HAVE been caught 'looking' at a tall transexual female (Jessica Lam)* by Jessica, who was presenting to all of us Miami-Dade County TRUST Specialists who were the LGBTQ liaisons to our schools. But, my attraction is exclusively to the female form in real life AND in dreams.



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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19405437 - 01/11/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Perhaps because I've lived in a downtown urban environment 24/7 for well over a decade, a hustler, of any sex, is something more like a house plant to me :lol:. I've accepted their social role as a part of my home, if that makes sense, so it just doesn't worry me or have any great significance for any, or even one of the wrong sexual preference, to manifest in my dreams.

Instead, I'm drawing significance and meaning beyond their superficial role.  Their presence and the atmosphere of the environment would feed me a complex array of emotions - perhaps a glint of optimism, naivety, tiredness, worn-outness, seediness, while their social role and what they want and expect from me takes a backdrop.  It makes sense that these dream characters' roles and emotions are internally generated by the psyche, different aspects of myself than what I consciously identify with.  At the same time though, the social roles and emotions I read from others in waking life are on some level pretty much the same thing, and the dreams effectively run off that same psychic energy, albeit with internally generated fodder.

Pretty cool video, seems like she should teach in elementary school rather than high school, maybe when they're 10yo.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19405744 - 01/11/14 08:44 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I like this discussion :smile:

What I find useful some times is the concept of a yantra. A human can be a yantra. It is a mechanism. It can hold some secret or idea to be revealed. In that vein of thought there is a lot which can be unraveled from the human experience which will remain hidden if one does not seek it.
Different experience shall be revealed depending on which controls ya press and what you feed it. Many archetypes are within and they can be revealed into similar yet very different experiences depending on the 'input'.
One thing which should be remembered with DMT space is the neurochemical change. The change also triggers abilities. I am talking about abilities which made the folks who 'discovered' harmala to call it telepathene. This effect is absent in dreams. For me I find that while there is a LOT of crossover between dreams and various psychedelics there is a fundamental change with the use of substances. I also feel that various sober trance states, sleep states, meditative states, dynamic states and plant-induced states can be used to reveal more about each other and even combined for cross-over effects to peel back and understand more layers of the yantra.

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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: Deckard_Cain]
    #19405781 - 01/11/14 08:54 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

:rofl: I just read that in that raspy wise old scholar archetypal theatrical voice of Deckard Cain in Diablo.  I think I'll read all your posts as such hence forth.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19406139 - 01/11/14 10:42 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Yes, well, one doesn't want parents complaining to the regional superintendents about traumatizing their little kids. Middle school didn't have any transgendered kids in my experience, but high schools in Miami-Dade did, and sometimes they'd be trotted out for our meetings. One really couldn't talk about doing sexual things until age 16, where Florida law permits consenting sex between 16 and 23 year olds. At 18, the limit is extended from 16 to whatever.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19406271 - 01/11/14 11:18 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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Yes, well, one doesn't want parents complaining to the regional superintendents about traumatizing their little kids. Middle school didn't have any transgendered kids in my experience, but high schools in Miami-Dade did, and sometimes they'd be trotted out for our meetings. One really couldn't talk about doing sexual things until age 16, where Florida law permits consenting sex between 16 and 23 year olds. At 18, the limit is extended from 16 to whatever.




Did she talk about anything gratuitously sexual?  From the minute I watched it was about differences between biological sex, gender roles, and one's gender identity... Didn't even particularly press sexual orientation.  Parents can cope with it imho, 4th/5th graders still have some sense of individuality and authenticity from what I remember, get them to think  before they're assimilated into middle school :shrug:


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    #19406359 - 01/11/14 11:49 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

In theory I agree with you, in practice it's different. I was called to the principal's office twice by parents who wanted to know why I was teaching 6th graders about subliminal messages pertaining to sex. I told hem both times that in the course of teaching communication skills to kids, and non-verbal communications came up, the kids were bringing Disney subliminals with sexual messages to my attention, and they wanted to know why. Parents typically saw their kids as 2 to 3 years younger than they actually were. I remember talking about decision-making, one of the themes of my curriculum, and said that you often can't be two things at once like citizen and criminal, or kind and cruel, when up went a 6th grader's hand. "What about a dominatrix?," he asked me. I was taken aback. Yes, a dominatrix probably can combine those opposites, but I was surprised to hear this level of synthesis from an 11 year old. He parents might have fainted.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19407517 - 01/12/14 09:33 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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In theory I agree with you, in practice it's different. I was called to the principal's office twice by parents who wanted to know why I was teaching 6th graders about subliminal messages pertaining to sex. I told hem both times that in the course of teaching communication skills to kids, and non-verbal communications came up, the kids were bringing Disney subliminals with sexual messages to my attention, and they wanted to know why. Parents typically saw their kids as 2 to 3 years younger than they actually were. I remember talking about decision-making, one of the themes of my curriculum, and said that you often can't be two things at once like citizen and criminal, or kind and cruel, when up went a 6th grader's hand. "What about a dominatrix?," he asked me. I was taken aback. Yes, a dominatrix probably can combine those opposites, but I was surprised to hear this level of synthesis from an 11 year old. He parents might have fainted.




I see your point, but she just gave me the impression that she was talking to children and not 16yos., so I was somewhat surprised when I saw the caption saying it was high school.  Then again, by 16 I was off doing post secondary enrollment in college, and anything less than a lecture on gender studies would have seemed patronizing.  :lol:

I hate the idea that we have to treat children as if they are less intelligent than they really are to placate some parents.  I wish more parents would treat their children as if they were intelligent, would make all the difference imho.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19408068 - 01/12/14 12:05 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I have seen a graduation or two, and I have seen kids from North Miami Senior High (a very 'ghetto' school) go to Harvard and MIT. BUT, "by-and-large" (as Ms. Oleksiak, my 12th grade sociology teacher used to say), a vast majority of kids from Miami are anti-education. This corner of the USA has been satirized, and rightly so, for being a 3rd world population. Miami-Dade County is uniquely a population where immigrants far outnumber native-born Americans. And while the population does have its share of professionals among the primarily Cuban and Haitian immigrants, don't get me wrong, there are more STD and especially HIV infected people, including a Huge population of kids, than any other city in the entire USA (and for at least 10 years). Why? Because they remain ignorant no matter how soon (elementary school) education on this stuff begins. This is just one example, because I was on the front lines of this stuff for almost 3 decades, and I'm familiar with it. Miami-Dade County is a sprawling expanse of anti-intellectualism and an urban aesthetic that seems to dote on 'gangsterism.' If reading has decreased nation-wide, I have to go to the next county to find one last remaining B&N in South Florida. All the used bookstores have vanished. You'd have to visit thrift shops. Twittering 140 characters is about the attention-span of a gnat, or the average South Floridian (no offense to those South Floridians I am friendly with. We wouldn't be friends it this invective applied to you).

Treat the kids intelligently? Yes, I did my best to rely on reason, never bullshit, but when your parent[s] is/are fucktarded too, it often fell on deaf ears. I had a family once where the husband was a terrible drunk. On one occasion, the wife put the baby in the front seat with the drunk-driving husband (no baby-seat of course), with her 'reasoning' that he'd HAVE to drive more safely with the baby up front. We're talking a long heritage of fucktardedness that gets attracted to the Sunshine State. Women want ONLY to be 'hot.' Men want to be 'cool.' You'd think the result might be a hedonistic 'warmth,' but oddly enough, the population is 'cold' towards one another, especially if you don't appear to be of the same 'tribe' as whomever you encounter. Both me and my wife used to hear from kids, "You too friendly!" Excuse me for not being reptilian. Maybe that explains why so many 'cold,' hostile, reptilian people come here - to bask in the sun with the other lizards and crocodilians. :smirk:  Maybe this is where the myth of reptilian aliens hails from, but they're illegal aliens not the extraterrestrial type. :shrug:


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    #19408090 - 01/12/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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    #19408143 - 01/12/14 12:26 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19408182 - 01/12/14 12:38 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Ah, my life here in Oregon is actually pretty different.  In my assessment, we have very little of that element of thuggishness, people aren't particularly cold-blooded.  A lot of the crime that hits headlines seems motivated out of mental illness.  Perhaps my dream characters correspondingly mirror more human values, where a homeless prostitute that might manifest is still full of human emotion, so I don't experience that sense of dread.  :shrug:


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    #19408342 - 01/12/14 01:22 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

We've been watching the show 'Dexter' and are now coming to the final season. Clearly, it was not filmed in Miami, except for brief out-takes. But the fact that the show's creator chose Miami to illustrate the numbers of psychopaths that the arch-psychopath Dexter kills, cannot be an arbitrary choice. I've been living in a 'quiet' neighborhood, bounded but not gated, one way in and out, for 17 years. There were 108 (I found significant at the time) houses until they built another 8 or 10.

There have been 5 gunmen who attacked the wrong house on a gun deal gone bad, and ended up shooting and killing a couple of little kids at a birthday party. One bloody woman ran screaming to another house whose resident I used to work with. There has been a hostage situation with SWAT poised on roofs on another occasion. The FBI surveilled for months an illegal music distributer who used to carry large bags of cash home. The same house became an illegal Botox clinic after the music mogul got arrested.

A guy on my street whom I refer to as 'The Pimp,' used to have his 'minions' of miscreants on cells trudging back and forth with their pants sagged to their knees. Rough trade looking guys on expensive, neon-lit, wide-tire choppers used to show up at night. he held parties and valet parking (in the local Winn-Dixie lot), has domed cameras on every corner of his large house. Hookers could be seen in his windows, and coming and going, inducing 2 families to move out. I used to see a white refrigerator delivered, and one removed, every week for many months! :wtf: Trafficking?

A good kid who used to be my student, was accidentally killed by his friend showing him a shotgun when he left for college. My own house had a large window smashed, but the alarm chased off the burglar. My next door neighbor who was house sitting probably killed and ate one of my feral cats. Two black cats were left sliced open and in the exact same spot of my back yard, a year apart. My new neighbor there smashed a large planter after I called code-enforcement on him. He is renting his house out to maybe 7 people, tore out a bathtub which he dumped in the yard, and installed a washer-dryer in a shed (which should have been 5 feet from the fence, but was against the fence, and which has cost me money in the past, but..). The wash water killed a 15 year old hibiscus tree, and is ruining property values, so I called code-enforcement. Another incident and I might call I.C.E. or even the IRS (he's not reporting all his rent income I'm sure).

One house on my street had its Mercedes stolen. The next day the thieves came back, broke in, and stole the title to the car. Next door to them, a gun collection was stolen. My next door neighbor was burglarized for a diamond ring. Someone moved my security light sensor, on another occasion and stole the wheels off that same neighbor's car. Thieves tried to steal his car on several occasions. I ran out of my house, awakened at 3 am in my Jockey shorts with a club when I heard HIS car alarm sound. His window was broken on yet another occasion. He showed me his illegally owned Derringer pistol. They mistreated their German Shepherd for years. I always bought him treats, despite his misery and chronic nighttime barking (for which I installed a remote sonic device, after we tired of using earplugs). The woman there refused to talk to us for 10 of 12 years, and they suddenly moved away without a word (good riddance).

The girl who used to be my student also lived on my street. She cut her wrists at the school where I worked, and I had to jump on an ambulance with her, and remain at the hospital til her parents arrived. A few years later, her mother stabbed herself to death through the heart. The house is still abandoned, and now someone has dumped a mattress on the front door.

On the next street over, a man running for his life, kicked open a random door to a neighbor's house, just as he was shot in the back and killed, dropping dead in their entryway.

I have no idea how many other burglaries have occurred in this 'quiet' neighborhood. I am just noting a few of what I happen to know about in a very small area in Miami over a period of some years. A house burned down next street over. A couple of girls were raped in the defunct golf course behind my house, but now I'm going into the Monterey Apartments, where a dead body remained in a car for hours after cops were called, and where cops have told me how often they go there on reports. Every holiday brings AK-47 fire from those apartments. I'm forgetting a lot I'm sure, but it's just sad. This was a prestigious neighborhood long ago, now it's falling into disrepair, abandonment and HUD housing, but some of the homes are selling at a better price. It's 3.5 miles from prestigious Aventura, FL. I'm rapidly taking on the attitude of the retired about starting over somewhere else. I'd rather not, unless things go further south. :shrug:


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19408489 - 01/12/14 01:59 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

In my neighborhood, where 2/3rds of everyone is traveling on foot or bike, my biggest fear is some idiot biker or pedestrian will not be paying attention, break a rule, and get themselves smooshed by my car.  It happens far too often, and virtually always the driver is never cited.  At the end of the street, there's one of those white 'ghost bikes' chained to a street lamp and adorned with flowers.  I ride my bike and walk daily as well, yet somehow manage to do what I'm supposed to.  Something like that would haunt my dreams for the rest of my life.

Did you ever watch Six Feet Under?  Undoubtably my favorite show w/ Michael C. Hall, set the bar incredibly high for what's possible with T.V. imho.  Highly recommend Carnivale & Rome (older shows on HBO as well that have run their course) - and currently Homeland & House of Cards are the best things on television.  Just a thought on what you might enjoy next, since you have more time for media these days.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19408527 - 01/12/14 02:08 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

That sounds horrifying.

Being a knowledgeable man...  What of becoming the collective experience and effectively mixing psychically with all of that horrifying shit.  You know through the awakening process itself and the telepathy and contact that follows.  Oneness and the singularity with the collective shadow.  Wouldn't you go some where else to do psychs.  Suppose you were to open up to some of the worst and then have to balance and be somewhat manipulated by it...?


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    #19409296 - 01/12/14 05:23 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Thanks, we've seen all of your choice pics. Six Feet Under had the BEST final episode of any show I can remember. We also watch Justified, Breaking Bad, Hell On Wheels, Nikita, Elementary, Masterpiece Mystery: Sherlock Holmes, Downton Abbey, Dracula, Heroes, and Doc Martin (like sherbet to cleanse one's palate between main courses).


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    #19409366 - 01/12/14 05:39 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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That sounds horrifying.

Being a knowledgeable man...  What of becoming the collective experience and effectively mixing psychically with all of that horrifying shit.  You know through the awakening process itself and the telepathy and contact that follows.  Oneness and the singularity with the collective shadow.  Wouldn't you go some where else to do psychs.  Suppose you were to open up to some of the worst and then have to balance and be somewhat manipulated by it...?




A great many people own firearms. When I first moved here in '83 I got pulled over for a burned out tail-light. The cops asked if I had a gun in the glovebox. I was horrified. That was in Miami Shores where the signs read: "Don't Even Think About Speeding." They could tell I was new and let me go with a warning. I know two gun fetishists. A third is on medication and probably isn't allowed to carry.  I do not wish to violate the highest teachings about karma, and so, I am not prepared to shoot-to-kill anyone, so I don't carry. I worked with a lot of kids over the years, and in my old neighborhood, they robbed people on both sides of me, two houses back to back with mine, one across the street from me, but always left our house alone (although they did use our gate to escape and let the dogs out once). These were kid-burglaries, but they left their counselor, me, untouched. My house sports 'faces,' outside sculpture on the house, the tree, Greenmen, mushroom fairies, and a kinda sinister piece of tombstone art carved in Indonesia on the front gate. These little things seem to dispel the move primitive type of opportunistic burglar (there are no known guns, drugs, jewelry, or dope to rob in my house).


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19412929 - 01/13/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

holy! lots of stuff happening in Miami,
how much further south can you go and still be in USA?


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    #19413070 - 01/13/14 04:04 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

my guess is Key West (respective to Florida, or even the 48 contiguous states) but Hawaii is def. further south..


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    #19413613 - 01/13/14 06:06 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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holy! lots of stuff happening in Miami,
how much further south can you go and still be in USA?




If I moved into South Miami proper (we live outside the City of Miami limits, in Unincorporated Miami-Dade County), I'd HAVE to speak Spanish. Then, I'd find myself in The Hood, South (Perrine, Richmond Heights). Finally, I'd leave Miami-Dade and enter Monroe County, where Homestead is. NOT a happy happy, joy joy place to live IMO. Rural-looking, where you realize that the Everlades could take a growth spurt and you'd realize you're living on the tip of a coral reef with only 2 feet of soil before you hit solid coral, and the water table. You realize down here, that there are no rocks unless they've been imported. You might find chunks of coral if you dig, but no rocks. Alligators would routinely crawl across whatever road you're on, plant nurseries dominate the long country roads through this part of the state, and gangs comprise the youth-culture. Meth-heads appear like its southern Mississippi, which is odd, seeing as how the rest of South Florida has plenty of cocaine.  I don't even know about the amount of illegals taking refuge from Cuba and the West Indies down there, but my wife insists that I don't know what I'm talking about because SHE met someone who bought a lovely place there in the last 5-6 years. Yeah, until the next Category 5 hurricane. Hurricane Andrew left Homestead and surrounding areas looking like any F-5 tornado would leave a place - or Nagasaki on August 9, 1945 (like Hiroshima, but without the remaining famous 'Atomic Bomb Dome' left standing).

At last, you'd come to Seven Mile Bridge which connects the Florida Keys. The keys are like drops of semen issuing from the penile peninsula of Florida, on a map-view. Miami would be a Kaposi's Sarcoma eating away at an already syphilitic member, and its attendant mentality of General Paresis of the brain (Tertiary Syphilis), namely, hostile, impulsive, emotional, sometimes blind or drooling in its rabies-like dis-ease. The Keys promise an idyllic life for the beach-comber, fisherman, parasailor, scuba diver and snorkeler. Properties are affordable if you're a major criminal, or Bill Gates. 25 years ago, a double-wide trailer, 200 yards from the beach, with an asphalt parking lot next to it, was $250,000 on Key Largo when I looked for a property.

The famous Key West has lovely cottages and a Twilight Zone kind of surreality to it. Watching the sunset, en masse, is a ritual which heralds the transformation of friendly folk who by night become intractable alcoholics. I don't get how one can work there if you are not self-employed, and there are very few businesses relatively speaking. Driving from Key West just to Homestead is 127.4 miles, which takes 2 hours and 40 minutes! Seven Mile Bridge is a misnomer. It connects Knight's Key with Little Duck Key. Down there, they call the whole road The Overseas Highway. One day and one night in Key West and I had seen it all. I had cabin fever - outside. I just don't drink enough to fit in, and you can visit Ernest Hemingway's and John Dewey's houses just once before you're over those attractions too. Most southern point of the USA? Yes, but is that something to celebrate, watching 'Wet Foot-Dry Foot' being enacted right before your eyes? Topless and Gay beaches are definitely a draw for the young person, but I am neither. Read Huffington Post - Crime, and notice just how many incidents occur in Florida. Example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/chad-oulson-movie-text_n_4594450.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19414209 - 01/13/14 08:15 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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Thanks, we've seen all of your choice pics. Six Feet Under had the BEST final episode of any show I can remember. We also watch Justified, Breaking Bad, Hell On Wheels, Nikita, Elementary, Masterpiece Mystery: Sherlock Holmes, Downton Abbey, Dracula, Heroes, and Doc Martin (like sherbet to cleanse one's palate between main courses).




Truly with the last episode of Six Feet Under, still gives me the chills to think about.  Breaking Bad is a household favorite, and loved the first season of Heroes (but the writing kind of tanked after it for me and I didn't follow it through). I've honestly not even heard of the rest. From what I had mentioned, which do you think I would I like best?

True Blood is also produced by Alan Ball (produced, and directed some episodes of Six Feet Under, as well as the film American Beauty ). Some other older stuff on HBO like The Sopranos & Def Poetry Jam are also priceless to me.  I'm sure you've watched Twin Peaks?  If you haven't in a couple decades, do it again :lol: I got so much more out of it from second watch through. 

Between my last post and this one, it covers just about every T.V. show I've seen in the last decade :lol:  There are some other cute shows on Netflix streaming like Orange Is The New Black, Lillyhammer, and Good Samaritans that make for good palate cleansers, though short seasons, maybe a bit more like slivers of ginger between bites of sushi.  And of course I've watched every episode of Star Trek TNG probably two or three times now :nerd:  Some day I will watch Battlestar Galactica, have been meaning to forever but has sat on the back burner.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19415233 - 01/13/14 11:53 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

We recently watched the Twin Peaks 1st show, but Rose found it tedious and dated. Oh well for now. Not familiar with Lillyhammer, but it's in our Netflix que. Sopranos, of course. I recognize those scenes in NJ. I forgot to mention Sleepy Hollow. I went there for my 8th grade class trip. We walked around the cemetery and the historical museum. Battlestar Galactica was the bomb! You have to watch it. I think Ice watched the whole thing in 3 days. Check out Farscape while you're at it. Great fun! And the all-too-brief Firefly. Lexx got more funding as it progressed, but started out as too hokey (as sci-fi goes) and we never watched it to completion. Recently watched all of Deep Space Nine, and TNG, and Enterprise before that. I think of T-Pol whenever I meditate by candlelight at night.  We also thoroughly enjoyed Rescue Me as a very entertaining drama. Nothing deep there, but well-written. Not familiar with Good Samaritans, but Orange[ is the New Black is also a favorite. True Blood was too 'teenage' for me.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19416885 - 01/14/14 11:12 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

All I can say is Twin Peaks might grow on you if you can give it a a dozen hours.  It does have this campy, melodramatic soap opera flare w/ a most peculiar cast of characters w/ absurd idiosyncrasies in a small town life, but steers far off course from just a simple whodunnit mystery (into a world where archetypal dream visions, synchronicity, occultism, demonic possession, and extra-dimensional realms abound.  It's far out :whoa:


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i]Battlestar Galactica was the bomb! You have to watch it. I think Ice watched the whole thing in 3 days.




Reminds me of this clip from Portlandia about Battlestar Galactica, titled "One More Episode" :lol:  I will watch the pilot tonight.



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Here are a few other resources I thought of:

Netflix original programming: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_original_programs_distributed_by_Netflix

HBO's : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_HBO

Showtime http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Showtime ;

I found Meadowlands quite good, though canceled abruptly after first season unfortunately.
Absolutely adored the show Huff - do check that out if you haven't heard of it, one of the best shows that apparently nobody really ever watched, only lived for two seasons.

and Dead Like Me was quite entertaining as well, though you may find it a little teenage as well.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: DMT -- symbolism and jungian archetypes [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19418161 - 01/14/14 04:36 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

HILARIOUS! :lol: Thanks for posting that vid! :rofl:


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