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deCypher



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Who the fuck cares whether the linguistic label of 'shaman' applies to him?\
The real question is... is OP the real thing?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: deCypher]
#19390924 - 01/08/14 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Only if he can play the djembe better than me.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: deCypher]
#19390954 - 01/08/14 10:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A shaman?   

OP you're about as shaman as I am a ninja. Or a pope or cardinal or rabbi. I never studied law, but fuck it, I'll just go and make an "ask a lawyer" thread anyway. I mean I saw several movies with lawyers and trials and stuff, I'm pretty sure I got it all figured out
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Can you please send me some happiness? I need some bliss. All I have is a whole lot of cannabis and beer. If I was happy I could go down on that beach and talk to those women.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: deCypher]
#19392077 - 01/09/14 04:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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deCypher said: Who the fuck cares whether the linguistic label of 'shaman' applies to him?\
The real question is... is OP the real thing?
People have need to put others down whenever there is a chance for it. Call it ego or whatever, but for some its normal thing like breathing. One does not think about it, just does it.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19392101 - 01/09/14 04:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Channeling_Spirit said: Ok well since you said we could ask questions about healing wounds or harming people psychologically... I would want to know how to heal my neuroma on the bottom of my foot?
It's extremely debilitating, I can hardly walk. The shots do nothing and I'm not about to step up to the plate n get a surgery where 30% of the people end up with worse pain and a whopping 70 percent have either to get another, or have a years worth of relief.
Why is you name Channeling_Spirit, if you ask another one for advice? Im just curious. I would say to you, to work upon your energy body, you got a problem here first dude, before it manifested in material body form.
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Icyus said: Man.. my mind is really fucked... I am originally very calculating and have traits of autism... more so, I am very creative and poetic.. which means that for me to answer concrete questions I need them often to be self refferencing, else I could only give VERY abstract, and to the situation basicly meaningless answers..
sorry, but I have no idea what you are refferencing to.. could you like write.. instead of; snowballs. Hlw do you feel about it.. (my mind doesnt connect the two to well).. so write how do you feel anout snowballs.. or not...
Maybe I should check here tomorrow.. I am having trouble reading aswell... I see the words, but I can not catch their story..
Icelander; to my knowledge.. there is the most common type of shamanism and a lesser known hawayan shamanism, where instead of warriors there are adventurers.
Ill say again, I dont care that you call yourself shaman, and that if a definition of that word is not adjusted to what it describes on wikipedia. But arent shamans supposed to do and delve in irrational and non concrete. As my questions were adjusted so. I want abstract answer, that the beauty of it. Is it not? I refer to your OPost. And If you are sure and ok with this, hell why not, I can do a bible of snowballs. Feel? Im basically feeling less now. Or to say this more rational. Not feeling less but lets say spectrum of emotions isnt so much widespread, its more narrow and not so explosive... it that makes any sense for you.
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You have a pain in your foot, yes? You want it to be gone? Are you sure about this? Then you have many one a choice to do so.
you could be manipulated, by me, an other or say..a plant, (medicine).. and it would fix your imbalance, but what have you learned from it? We expereance what we do for a reason, and I am not of those idiots that heal someone, and cause more harm in ignorance..
the best intentions may cause the greatest harm... fix your foot, and you get a braintumor... that wouldnt be too good would it? I was thaught we get sick because we are sad or angry, or scared... be it karma from a previouss life or a recent trauma.. one needs to come to peace with such, to advance on their journey.. if I healed a pain, it wouldnt give its message and thus one might be stuck in their own ignorance.. now that would be good either, would it? Or do you just want to run away from the pain..? If I were to help you, pending you'd die ten years from now if I didnt, would it be moral of me if you were to kill a houndred children at the elleventh year?
@usulpsyconaut... Read this out loud, and you will feel happy and confident. Know this will make you happy and joyful. My words are magic;
there is happiness all around.. I need only be part in it. If Icyus were tosay; I am happy. I feel a tingling jitter as I observe the happiness grow and evolve.tingling from the feet and rising... its grows into a slight euphoria.. I can feel it morphing into a sense of joy.. I can actually sense it.. I am actually happy now.. I didnt know it would work, but it did.. I am happy now.. I am in a mood to share my happiness.. I let go of fear and embrace it happiness..
Id figure that work fine.. lot easier too.. though it is more a form of hypnosis that shamanism.. (This is quite effective, though it is flawed in its simplicity.. one application of knowing the Wizards first rule.. as it was called..)
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19392216 - 01/09/14 05:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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"ll say again, I dont care that you call yourself shaman, and that if a definition of that word is not adjusted to what it describes on wikipedia. But arent shamans supposed to do and delve in irrational and non concrete. As my questions were adjusted so. I want abstract answer, that the beauty of it. Is it not? I refer to your OPost. And If you are sure and ok with this, hell why not, I can do a bible of snowballs. Feel? Im basically feeling less now. Or to say this more rational. Not feeling less but lets say spectrum of emotions isnt so much widespread, its more narrow and not so explosive... it that makes any sense for you."
I could give you an abstract answer but to most people.. such do not make any actual sense.. so I simplify and rationalise.. but;
I would say I woke up one day, not too long ago.. and I felt the beauty of life, hidden away by the tremors of the past. Icame to think back a few days when I walked the snowy trail in the woods.. I came to realize each and every time I went outside.. I had a purpose.. I always went out to gather herbs, or to fish.. or to hunt mushrooms.. or to walk the dog.. never just to listen to the birds, or enjoy a breeze of air... I never wen out to expereance nature, really.. there was always the searching for something.. I planned and expected.. never really peace.. I had about then come to peace, lr a form of enlightenment, when I realized there was no point in searching for joy, as it always slipped my grasp.. that it was as ellusive as anything in life.. and I decided to stop searching and simply be.Then I reflected on this, and wondered, why doesnt this show in my actions? Then I altered them accordingly..
. I came to think a a memory from my childhood at my grandparents.. a sunny day, and I went outside where I could hear the birds sing.. oh there were so many birds.. I guess it brought me back to a state of myself I had seemingly lost.. a form of joy coloured in a peachy orange. So peaceful in delicate joy... as I am quite orange of me.. it was a lost shade so to speak.. It seems I rediscovered it. I had the impression, or judgement rather that I was a complete idiot in my past, even more than now... that everything I had done was wrong in everyway.. most were, I realized.. later I realized some where not. I had apprichiated, earlier the simple things.. and when I realized I was such a despicable human being.. I recented it amongst the rest.. out of my own ignorance.. and it was quite the loss too, I would say.
. describing the energy that made me do it? It was the wind of change so to speak.. I can atleast speak for myself, that I am changing continoussly.. It was not a a feel change I had so often seen in my past.. tainted by fear and shame, but simple as it was.. it seems to me yellow.. it was what it was, and nothing less, nothing more.. I had changed so, I did not fear, I am content as I were.. I was able to enjoy it fully.. to savour the expereance.. looking irrationally on it, atleast to me.. I am constantly twisting deeper into madness.. to weirdness.. and I go along.. this was just an other stepping stone.. one, now without sharp edges... or did I just drop my feet along the way? I realized that I need to be more grounded.. that this brings me more a sense of fulfillment.. that I need to walk more unreasonable walks.. that I didnt need to have a destination .. finally I actually grasped how much it affected me not to do so.
. I made a promise to myself that this was not to be a winter in slumber.. that I were to walk many a time.. yet I kept waiting for the weather to improwe.. been foggy and cloudy for many weeks now.. not a glimpse of the sun... I had listened to those around me again.. I must really learn to start ignoring them flr good "the weather is bad", they would say..."it wouldnt be enjoyable" theyd say.. maybe a trip is due? To really get a kick in the ass? It has been a few months now.. I might journey too , but I find it to reweal the knowledge I seek, but I am in controll.. we cant really have that, can we? Anyway.. my tea almost got cold writing tbis, so I will end it here I hope it answered a bit of your question.. I looked at it before I started typing, but I only remember something about realisation..
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19392228 - 01/09/14 05:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icyus said: I thought about if you wished to know anything.. like torture people psycologically..
You mean like with threads like this?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icelander]
#19392238 - 01/09/14 05:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No... not really...
its like saying "person>> will repulse anyone person>> cares about.. and will die alone..." and actually making it happen... a curse they called it.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19392309 - 01/09/14 05:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh ok
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mio said: the shaman knows others as he knows himself does that seem unreasonable? -no. Even autistic me knows alot about people... though I tend to distance myself from them accordingly..
if not, how do you know that you know yourself? -I dont know really.. I know myself basicly by reconising the feeling of myself..
how do you know that you know others enough to be able to heal them? -You do not really need to knlw them at all.. you feel them, if need be.. and feel their aura, or whatever name you want to put on it.. then feel yourself.. feel that you are right and they are wrong.. you make them as you.. and you might realize this can often bring more problems than it solves...if the shaman in healing even wants to do noting else than help, but is too hurt himself, he (or she for that matter) transmits their burden aswell... "great intentions+magic+ignorance=catastrophy.."
do you deal with spirits? -now that is a vague word, but yes I do.. the question is in which way..
what performs the healing you do? -people basicly heal themselves.. they are also healed by others.. it is a metter of perception I think.. Though all power needed by the healer, I would contribute only to the spirit guide...
which types of healing do you perform/when do you heal? -well.. one may generalise and categorize all they wish, but tend to do what I need to do.. does that answer it? The importance of when... I heal when I deem it a time of power and it seems a good idea.. both rationally and intuisionally..
what is central to your daily practice? -I do not excatly follow a scedule.. I do what feels right, when it feels right.
when do you think one becomes a shaman / why did you become one? -a shaman is quite a loose term, though it is understood in many ways.. and delluded aswell.. as is all.. as quoted earlier.. the title of shaman bears no actual requirement.. it is a western word. Even so... some say it is when one is opened fully to their deathchakra.. other say a shaman is one who knows.. he who knows, knows he does not know. Some say It is when one truly knows themselves.. and has released their burden.. others, like me, might say it is when one realizes they have been a shaman all along...
-I became a shamani practitioner in order to help people... now I doubt it is too wise to interfere with the universe too much...
just some questions :-) I like shamanism, it is real to me
no need to know it all like you say, I know what I must know :-)
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icelander]
#19392449 - 01/09/14 06:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said:
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Icyus said: I thought about if you wished to know anything.. like torture people psycologically..
You mean like with threads like this?
Shaman you?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19393512 - 01/09/14 12:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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if you could answer those questions without even thinking about them you might be a follower of shamanism
or shaman ;-)
I dont see any problem in calling yourself a shaman if you really do help people often shamans are people who have tripped a bit too much and think they are shamans what I think makes a shaman is curing own problems/disease then curing other people afterwards, action
the reason we have no shamans in our western culture is because our culture doesnt tolerate it, if we allowed everyone to call themselves shamans and practice shamanism we might get more shamans ;-)
I do believe in soul loss and by having found ones own lost soul one is able to help other people with their soul loss something communicates through you when you do stuff like that you get an answer that is equally true for others and yourself you will recognize the truth when you hear/find it, screw that "truth is relative" babbling ;-)
truth is the same for us all, if you like shamanism you must almost believe in this
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19393560 - 01/09/14 12:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, a shaman doesnt heal peoples pain, he makes people heal their own pain?
sounds reasonable, although I am new to shamansim I do believe there is a reason for every disease, often the soul needs to learn something it seems most diseases start in the soul (soul loss)
Edited by lessismore (01/09/14 12:43 PM)
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19393776 - 01/09/14 01:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, that was satisfying read. I see you. Stand your ground. And if you decide to call youself a shaman, druid or warlock, be sure to know really why. So you can tell trolls to fuck off, and know why.. even if you are not one by "definition"..
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19395912 - 01/09/14 08:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icyus
When I wish to communicate with my spirit guide, can my guide understand better my thoughts, if I focus the question in my thoughts?
or
is better to go to a quite place and speak it into the wind so that my guide may hear my spoken words?
Edited by Vitalux (01/09/14 10:09 PM)
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19396368 - 01/09/14 10:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What's the foundation for healing in your experience/opinion?
What does one need to do to become whole?
Is there a secret society manipulating the world?
What happens when we die?
Is Christ also Buddha?
How old are you?
Do you think you have something special within you others don't?
(All serious inquiries)
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Vitalux]
#19397374 - 01/10/14 05:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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sloantbone said: Icyus
When I wish to communicate with my spirit guide, can my guide understand better my thoughts, if I focus the question in my thoughts?
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is better to go to a quite place and speak it into the wind so that my guide may hear my spoken words?
I never used neither thoughts nor words.. only the feeling behind them.. i think it comes down to different feelings.. you may say a word.. you may think a thought, but there are feelings behind them all.. even if one realized it or not...
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: cez]
#19397388 - 01/10/14 05:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cez said: What's the foundation for healing in your experience/opinion? -focus.
What does one need to do to become whole? -suffer enough.. be torn apart and find the strength to put yourself back together.
Is there a secret society manipulating the world? -yes.
What happens when we die? -I have my ideas, so have others... my idea... Is quite maddening.. i cannot really voice it properly..
Is Christ also Buddha? - What I were to say about the past, would only be speculation..
How old are you? -I turn twenty in august.
Do you think you have something special within you others don't? -no.. not really.. I only realize it.
(All serious inquiries)
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