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Are we really bi-polar?
    #19396591 - 01/09/14 11:44 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

It seems to me that just about everybody that goes into a mental hospital is told they are bi-polar and need to take certain meds for their disease. It seems like they are just slapping the same old label on everybody they treat even if there isn't a thing wrong with them, they just had a really bad fucking day and ended up getting thrown into a mental institution for various different reasons. They were irrational, they were too lively, they were a risk to themselves, etc

I just wonder how accurate these diagnosis really are and if there really is a disease that needs to be treated


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: plektheplek]
    #19396634 - 01/09/14 11:50 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

supposedly i'm bi polar, not sure I agree with that diagnosis.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: plektheplek] * 1
    #19396641 - 01/09/14 11:51 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Shitty psychiatrist just hear the words 'history of drug use/abuse' and immediately label you bi-polar. Its a good indication that you should keep shopping around for a competent doctor.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Nova]
    #19396962 - 01/10/14 01:08 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I totally agree with OP. It's the label they use for when they don't know exactly whats going on.  I got diagnosed bi-polar, but I don't buy it.  You have 1 nervous breakdown, yknow? :cookiemonster:


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: plektheplek] * 1
    #19396980 - 01/10/14 01:21 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

ummm doctors pushing meds to get a kick back..

and todays parents arent allowed to beat the shit outta a kid to straighten him up.

its all fucked up man..

yes i do believe that some people are.. but at the rate we are going.. no fucking way... its a profit center.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: rackem]
    #19396998 - 01/10/14 01:28 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I'm bipolar. Never been diagnosed but by definition id agree.

That being said I think everyone technically is. It's a way to push medication pure and sinple.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: plektheplek] * 3
    #19397226 - 01/10/14 03:54 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

There is a difference between the normal ups & down's that one has, and BPD. Is it overdiagnosed? Probably, but that doesn't mean that it's not a real disorder. BPD can be extremely debilitating. It's far more than being happy one day & sad the next. When you see a severe case, it's obvious that it's not a pill pushing strategy by the doctor, nor is it an overreaction by the patient. It's a serious disease.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19397242 - 01/10/14 04:05 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I agree.

I just don't know now that everything is loosely defined and it all has pills it's all bullshit.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19397257 - 01/10/14 04:12 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

It comes along with psychosis, too.

I have bipolar disorder. When it hits me I don't get happy for one day and feel like shit the next.

Sometimes It's sudden and sharp. I go from normal, to overwhelming euphoria, to suicidal and back to normal in the span of a second. Fucks you up.

Are those like your symptoms, OP. Do you lose touch with reality?


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: healing]
    #19397392 - 01/10/14 05:34 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I was diagnosed bipolar but I swear I was abducted in the night and something stole my soul.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: plektheplek]
    #19397396 - 01/10/14 05:35 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Buncha nonsense. You'll find many scathing criticisms of the psychiatry industry.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: s240779] * 1
    #19397413 - 01/10/14 05:41 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Man... the western medicine is not knowledgable about anything, really..


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: plektheplek] * 1
    #19397437 - 01/10/14 05:55 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Everyone has something that can be considered a mental illness.  Psychiatry is a sham.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Icyus] * 1
    #19397445 - 01/10/14 05:58 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

You're better off trusting the healthcare professionals than your own theories or opinions on the internet.

The aim of treatment is to provide as little medication for as little time as possible to return one to previous normal functioning. It's not just to 'sell big pharma'.

Pretty much everyone slams psychiatry on the internet, but all the psychiatrists I've met have been very smart people. They wouldn't be easily fooled into a field that is baloney.

You've got to be especially careful when you're already mentally ill and you start reading conspiracy-like opinions about the treatment you're receiving.

I say just go to a good community clinic, trust them, get it out of the way. If you catch these illnesses early you can be quite lucky and live normally.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: circastes]
    #19397446 - 01/10/14 06:01 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Ask them about their opinions about drug addiction if you want to find the most obvious road to bullshit.  You treat a patient as a model, not the human mind.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: circastes]
    #19397458 - 01/10/14 06:08 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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You're better off trusting the healthcare professionals than your own theories or opinions on the internet.

The aim of treatment is to provide as little medication for as little time as possible to return one to previous normal functioning. It's not just to 'sell big pharma'.

Pretty much everyone slams psychiatry on the internet, but all the psychiatrists I've met have been very smart people. They wouldn't be easily fooled into a field that is baloney.

You've got to be especially careful when you're already mentally ill and you start reading conspiracy-like opinions about the treatment you're receiving.

I say just go to a good community clinic, trust them, get it out of the way. If you catch these illnesses early you can be quite lucky and live normally.




yeah.... do not trust yourself and be glad if you get to live a normal life as a slave?


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: circastes]
    #19397487 - 01/10/14 06:27 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Pretty much everyone slams psychiatry on the internet, but all the psychiatrists I've met have been very smart people. They wouldn't be easily fooled into a field that is baloney.





intelligent people believe in god, why wouldnt some believe in junk science



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If you catch these illnesses early you can be quite lucky and live normally.





hahaha... no. it's not like cancer where they can operate and remove some
part that allows you to be normal again, if you have a mental illness,
it'll always be there and while being drugged can help some, it isnt that
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19397498 - 01/10/14 06:32 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Why would anyone want to live "normal"? There you got your mental illness... stockholm syndrome, isnt it?


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: plektheplek]
    #19397505 - 01/10/14 06:34 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)



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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Icyus] * 1
    #19397507 - 01/10/14 06:34 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Man... the western medicine is not knowledgable about anything, really..




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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: circastes]
    #19397519 - 01/10/14 06:40 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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I say just go to a good community clinic, trust them, get it out of the way. If you catch these illnesses early you can be quite lucky and live normally.




I've been on so many debilitating meds that I don't quite trust your advice anymore.  I see a grand conspiracy or complete lack of understanding in what they are doing with the chemicals.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19397801 - 01/10/14 08:14 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

My little brother is one of the few real cases of BPD I don't think is bullshit. He has been a risk to himself more than once. Always had to hide pill bottles from him so he couldn't off himself


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Mescalean]
    #19398157 - 01/10/14 09:59 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I don't know about you OP, but I know I am bi-polar. I'm just lucky enough to be able to control it with one little pill in the morning. Some need injections and shit.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Patlal]
    #19398162 - 01/10/14 10:00 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Do mind sharing what med you take?


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19398204 - 01/10/14 10:09 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Do mind sharing what med you take?




Lamotrigine for the bi-polar part, and cipralex (lexapro) for the depression part.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19398231 - 01/10/14 10:16 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Point number one: psychiatry is not a science. Point number two: so called "mental disorders" as defined by the DSM are there to make people believe that psychiatry is a science. Point number three: you have to make people feel sick if you want to cure them.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Patlal]
    #19398239 - 01/10/14 10:18 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Do mind sharing what med you take?




Lamotrigine for the bi-polar part, and cipralex (lexapro) for the depression part.



Lexapro made me feel :zombie:


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19398281 - 01/10/14 10:27 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Patlal said:
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FishOilTheKid said:
Do mind sharing what med you take?




Lamotrigine for the bi-polar part, and cipralex (lexapro) for the depression part.



Lexapro made me feel :zombie:




It practically saved my life


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Patlal]
    #19398599 - 01/10/14 11:50 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Some drugs can help people, but psychiatrists treat a lot of mental disorders with a fucking tart board.  You know who is the most critical and has least faith in psychiatry?  Crazy people.  The results you pay for, and the results you get from this pseudo-science are pathetic.  Also, classifying m"ental illness" as disease is complete horse shit.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: fapjack]
    #19398671 - 01/10/14 12:02 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

When I was in rehab I was told that very few people are actually bi-polar. They found a new classification for most people who used to be that category, I can't remember exactly what it was. Some kind of personality disorder that most people fall under in one way or another.

Still diagnosed me with bi-polar though, I must be fucked up.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #19398707 - 01/10/14 12:09 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Everyone has serious mental issues from time to time, only people with problems coping end up with classifications.


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    #19398789 - 01/10/14 12:27 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Johnny Depp]
    #19399145 - 01/10/14 01:35 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

No, it isn't a disease like diabetes.  You can test someone for diabetes.  Bipolar diagnosis is a subjective observation from 2nd hand observations.  Whether bipolar is "disease" of the brain or of the mind isn't known yet.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: fapjack]
    #19399655 - 01/10/14 03:19 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I'd just say we have a wide arrange of emotions.

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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: healing]
    #19399694 - 01/10/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Are those like your symptoms, OP. Do you lose touch with reality?




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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: plektheplek]
    #19399775 - 01/10/14 03:46 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

"There is no "try" in "do"."
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Icyus]
    #19399892 - 01/10/14 04:04 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Well if you catch schizophrenia early the brain can heal and my case worker/doc claims the medication prevents further progression of the illness. They usually put you on medication for at least a year and that's supposed to be long enough for the brain the heal the first time.

If you continually abuse drugs like my brother did for years and years it turns into a chronic situation. He was already psychotic and still smoked more pot. It might be pretty much over for him.

Even in the little booklets I read in the waiting room schizophrenia is said to be able to produce a couple of episodes then leave one symptom free if treated. A lot of people take Clozapine, the most effective antipsychotic, and my case worker has said he has seen some people take it and just return to normal. My 2nd brother who has schizophrenia was using Clozapine and doctors thought he was misdiagnosed and took him off it (only for symptoms to return).

Also why are these people so smart? They all impress me a little bit. Maybe you have bad doctors in US of A? Bad education system? Because the people that work with me are probably a lot smarter than any of us here. Cept me of course.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: circastes]
    #19399927 - 01/10/14 04:09 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I admit it.  I have seen shit docs that seem like they don't know shit.  A couple have even broken out their smart phones to look up dosage recommendations and shit.:mad2:


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: plektheplek]
    #19400003 - 01/10/14 04:23 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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It seems to me that just about everybody that goes into a mental hospital is told they are bi-polar and need to take certain meds for their disease. It seems like they are just slapping the same old label on everybody they treat even if there isn't a thing wrong with them, they just had a really bad fucking day and ended up getting thrown into a mental institution for various different reasons. They were irrational, they were too lively, they were a risk to themselves, etc

I just wonder how accurate these diagnosis really are and if there really is a disease that needs to be treated



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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Icyus] * 1
    #19400073 - 01/10/14 04:37 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I personally disagree with many of the prevailing attitudes that have been espoused by psychiatry, but throwing the entire field under the bus would be a mistake. The fact is that the human mind is a mystery that we have not yet unraveled. Is big pharma pushing pills? Yup. However, it's not as simple as that. It's not a huge conspiracy to keep people medicated. There is no cure for these disorders. There's only management, and as far as medication goes, every one is different. People go through the whole gamut of psych meds, and some never find a balance with them. Same with other treatments. There is no blueprint, and I'm not sure that there ever will be. This doesn't mean that we should give up.

Seeing wannabe shamans saying that western medicine doesn't know anything simultaneously drives me up the wall & makes me laugh. I used to feel the same way though. In fact, I'm pretty sure that there are posts of mine here from the past saying the very same thing as the OP, and trashing doctors & whatnot. Then I grew up & laid off the drugs, and chose to pursue a career in the medical field. That gave me a whole new perspective on things. I've learned a whole lot, and I have a whole lot more to learn. One of the things that I've learned is that western medicine does know a lot. A hell of a lot more than some kid that ate mushrooms, listened to some Terence McKenna lectures & suddenly thinks they have all the answers. We keep learning more & more as well. There have been so many advancements in medical knowledge/technology over the past ten years, it's ridiculous...and we're just going to keep learning more.

I should also note that while my comments are highly disparaging to wannabe shamans & whatnot, I do have a lot of respect for genuine shamanic cultures, and I feel that we have a lot to learn from them. Pulling the best ideas, theories, treatments, etc from all different frameworks of medical practice & utilizing them in conjunction with each other is likely to be the most successful approach to medicine.

The field I'm in is well established aspect of western medicine, but we do take w holistic approach, treat the whole person; body, mind & spirit. I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't prescribe or dole out meds. My job is to assist patients suffering from a whole range of diseases, traumas, and disorders in regaining as much functional independence as possible, in order to increase their quality of life. I could be rehabbing a patient with a back injury that also happens to be bipolar. That affects the treatment, and I need to work in strategies to help the patient manage their bipolar disorder at the same time as I'm working on their back, otherwise the treatment will be unsuccessful. Having worked with patients that do suffer from mental illness, on top of everything else, I'm speaking from experience when I say that it's very real, and has very  real & very devastating consequences on these individuals' lives.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19400155 - 01/10/14 04:51 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Don't you think psychiatry completely disregards the very notion of a spirit world?


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    #19400254 - 01/10/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

No. Psychiatry is a field of medical science. It's not the theory itself. There are many different approaches & theories contained within it, including some with an emphasis on spirituality. Don't forget that psychiatry was the where psychedelics first made an impact on the western world. Many of the pioneers, such as Stanislav Grof for example, stressed the importance of spirituality in one's life.


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Spiritual entities even...??


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Dark_Star]
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No. Psychiatry is a field of medical science. It's not the theory itself. There are many different approaches & theories contained within it, including some with an emphasis on spirituality. Don't forget that psychiatry was the where psychedelics first made an impact on the western world. Many of the pioneers, such as Stanislav Grof for example, stressed the importance of spirituality in one's life.




You realize how ridiculous science of the mind sounds don't you?  I think a lot of good things come for psychology, but isn't a science.  I think neuropharmacology can help a lot too, but that's not the same as what psychiatry does.  Subjective science...


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    #19401606 - 01/10/14 11:15 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I have lots of friends who are bipolar most are normal as far as i can tell. some use to have problems that got better after a year or 2 of the right drugs. But my crazy bat shit crazy ass bipolar ex, she tried to off herself and or cut herself at least 5 time in the 3 years we were together (a cutter)and should have taken her meds but they keep trying to find one that works and some made shit worse so it can be very hard to get the right prescription. I think most people realize they are not quite right when they are really bad bipolar at some point in life. alcohol and weed can be very bad for bipolar people sometimes also i have seen some people get much worse from daily use.


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    #19401638 - 01/10/14 11:25 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

If I'm super manic and I get really drunk it can end very badly.  I've been arrested, ended up in the ER, and woke up in a random place several times when drinking during serious mania.  I had a really bad episode last week, was seriously considering suicide.  It sucks, but I still won't go on any medication.  They usually just make you feel like a shell of yourself and make you feel groggy all day.  Fuck that, I'd rather be crazy then medicated.


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    #19401640 - 01/10/14 11:26 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Doctor's with Phd's in neuroscience, neurochemistry, etc, can't tell you really or don't understand about how the brain works or why certain things happen in a person brains, but kids with high school degrees on a drug forum can tell you with certainty that bi-polar disorder is made up and doesn't exists.

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    #19401650 - 01/10/14 11:29 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I get the dart board thing. With my brother they kept trying "this new med" for yeard until they got it right with geodone and some other shit.


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Doctor's with Phd's in neuroscience, neurochemistry, etc, can't tell you really or don't understand about how the brain works or why certain things happen in a person brains, but kids with high school degrees on a drug forum can tell you with certainty that bi-polar disorder is made up and doesn't exists.

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You have the internet, post some definitive proof on how bi-polar "disease" works...  I don't need a college degree to read.


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Buncha nonsense. You'll find many scathing criticisms of the psychiatry industry.




I always thought you were a bit off but this here confirms it.  Mood disorders are a reality.  In some cases it's mild, in some cases it's severe, especially if you add drug abuse to the mix. 

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Doctor's with Phd's in neuroscience, neurochemistry, etc, can't tell you really or don't understand about how the brain works or why certain things happen in a person brains, but kids with high school degrees on a drug forum can tell you with certainty that bi-polar disorder is made up and doesn't exists.

:lolsy:




You have the internet, post some definitive proof on how bi-polar "disease" works...  I don't need a college degree to read.





Well, if you want to prove it doesn't, you do the research and test cases and show it doesn't.  I have no idea.  If a person who spends their life can't understand how the brain really works, I don't think I can.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Hobozen]
    #19401706 - 01/10/14 11:40 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Mental illnesses are simply labels for patterns of behavior.  They're man made.


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Buncha nonsense. You'll find many scathing criticisms of the psychiatry industry.




I always thought you were a bit off but this here confirms it.  Mood disorders are a reality.  In some cases it's mild, in some cases it's severe, especially if you add drug abuse to the mix. 

Fucking hipsters.




Everyone has problems, some people have much more severe problems than others.  Is it science though?  If your mom dies and you can't cope for a year is that mental illness or is it a problem with coping?  You should treat patients as people and try to deal with their problems individually instead of just trying to label them into a group.  There isn't science backing up most mental disorders so they should stop pretending that they know what or why the problem is the way it is.  Also, the whole way a select group of people select what goes into the DSM is BS.  Treat the patient, not the disorder.


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Mental illnesses are simply labels for patterns of behavior.  They're man made.





How do you know that?  What qualifies you to decide what is manmade in medical science? 

You see what I'm saying?  People here are not qualified to know what the science is or is not. 

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Doctor's with Phd's in neuroscience, neurochemistry, etc, can't tell you really or don't understand about how the brain works or why certain things happen in a person brains, but kids with high school degrees on a drug forum can tell you with certainty that bi-polar disorder is made up and doesn't exists.

:lolsy:




You have the internet, post some definitive proof on how bi-polar "disease" works...  I don't need a college degree to read.




When I was in the psych. ward, my nurse KNEW that I was on ecstasy.  She said she could sense it and swore to the other nurses that I was high as a kite. 

The thing is, I wasn't on ecstasy.  I was in a hypomanic state, which feels like being on ecstasy.  Along with it comes all that ecstasy offers - bliss, epiphanies, carelessness.  After the hypomanic state comes the crash. 

That is not how the brain normally functions.  Normally it would function with balance.


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Buncha nonsense. You'll find many scathing criticisms of the psychiatry industry.




I always thought you were a bit off but this here confirms it.  Mood disorders are a reality.  In some cases it's mild, in some cases it's severe, especially if you add drug abuse to the mix. 

Fucking hipsters.




Everyone has problems, some people have much more severe problems than others.  Is it science though?  If your mom dies and you can't cope for a year is that mental illness or is it a problem with coping?  You should treat patients as people and try to deal with their problems individually instead of just trying to label them into a group.  There isn't science backing up most mental disorders so they should stop pretending that they know what or why the problem is the way it is.  Also, the whole way a select group of people select what goes into the DSM is BS.  Treat the patient, not the disorder.




I don't agree with the way it's all set up, but that's not to say there isn't any science in what we've learned so far.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Hobozen]
    #19401754 - 01/10/14 11:50 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

What is normal?  Being hypomanic isn't all that rare.  It has its place in society, especially because its really easy to function when you are hypomanic unlike being manic.


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Mental illnesses are simply labels for patterns of behavior.  They're man made.





How do you know that?  What qualifies you to decide what is manmade in medical science? 

You see what I'm saying?  People here are not qualified to know what the science is or is not. 

They are only qualified ot have opinions.



They're names created by man to describe a concept, as all words are.

From my experience:

I once met a guy named Arthur.  He saw dead people.  Many people would claim they were figments of his imagination caused by a mental disease.  He has evidence that this is not the case.

He once saw a young girl at a park.  He looked her in the eyes and when he did so, she approached him as she knew he could see her.

She told Arthur that she was lost, Arthur asked where she lived and offered to take her there.

They both got in the car, the door opened as she entered.

Once arriving to her house, Arthur knocked on the door, her mom answered the door.  Arthur said "I don't mean any disrespect, but did you have a young daughter who had died?  Because if you do, she is with me."

The mother broke down into tears that he had brought her deceased daughter back home.  She offered to write him a $1000 check.  Arthur declined as his intentions were not financial, but just as a favor.


This indicates to me mental illness is a term for describing patterns of behavior or gifts that are perceived to be outside of 'normal' behavior.

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    #19401761 - 01/10/14 11:53 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

It's not easy to function when you're hypomanic.  It fucks with your identity and sense of self when one day you are somebody who is cheery as shit and the next day you're zero fucks Phil.


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    #19401772 - 01/10/14 11:56 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Its hard being depressed, its awesome being chipper though.  Whenever I'm hypomanic I talk to a ton of people, make lots of friends and try to make everyone laugh.  Being depressed is much harder to live with.


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    #19401816 - 01/11/14 12:15 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Hypomania can be hella embarrassing. 

All I know is that I found the solution to my problem.  That is to say there was a problem to begin with... a disorder.

I do think that many doctors are too short-sighted to recognize the root of the issue.  THAT is the problem.

But the reality is there... there is imbalance and so there are disorders... especially in a world like this. 

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Glad you found something that helps you, hopefully you never have to see what mania or psychosis ever are.  Hypomania is completely different.


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Mental illnesses are simply labels for patterns of behavior.  They're man made.





How do you know that?  What qualifies you to decide what is manmade in medical science? 

You see what I'm saying?  People here are not qualified to know what the science is or is not. 

They are only qualified ot have opinions.




Taht may be, but they form them just the same.. people in general are a bunch of apes.. what do you expect? I have seen a limited number of psyciatrists in my life, but more so.. I have never met anyone that I couldnt teach and correct in their own profession. I am not an educated psyciaatrist.


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yea it's nothing compared to psychosis, i've been there.. if i never had gone through that, the hypomania would probably be easier to deal with.  what were we arguing about again?  i gotta put down this k.


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yea it's nothing compared to psychosis, i've been there.. if i never had gone through that, the hypomania would probably be easier to deal with.  what were we arguing about again?  i gotta put down this k.




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Lamotrigine got me hypomanic for a couple years, it was like being high on a little bit of ecstasy, without side effects, and I could still do my things and sleep etc.



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Doctor's with Phd's in neuroscience, neurochemistry, etc, can't tell you really or don't understand about how the brain works or why certain things happen in a person brains, but kids with high school degrees on a drug forum can tell you with certainty that bi-polar disorder is made up and doesn't exists.

:lolsy:




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They're names created by man to describe a concept, as all words are.




Exactly. All words are created to describe a concept. Take, for example, the word murder. Murder is just a concept, as all words are. Words like war, famine, plague.

Just because schizophrenia is a noun, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. In fact, the reason that we have names for mental illnesses is because they exist.

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This indicates to me mental illness is a term for describing patterns of behavior or gifts that are perceived to be outside of 'normal' behavior.

But what is normal?




Normal has a statistical, mathematical definition. It's not just some stupid opinion from some ignorant asshole on the internet.



In this distribution, normal is anything that falls within one standard deviation from the mean.


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yea it's nothing compared to psychosis, i've been there.. if i never had gone through that, the hypomania would probably be easier to deal with.  what were we arguing about again?  i gotta put down this k.




Not arguing.  Was just saying that from my own experiences.  Hypomania for me was always easy to deal with, whether or not I embarrassed myself.  Mania on the other hand brings me to a place were I have no fucking clue what I am doing, and can lead me to make decisions that can change my life forever.  Same with psychosis, except with that I can't even go on what my mind is saying at all.


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They're names created by man to describe a concept, as all words are.




Exactly. All words are created to describe a concept. Take, for example, the word murder. Murder is just a concept, as all words are. Words like war, famine, plague.

Just because schizophrenia is a noun, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. In fact, the reason that we have names for mental illnesses is because they exist.

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This indicates to me mental illness is a term for describing patterns of behavior or gifts that are perceived to be outside of 'normal' behavior.

But what is normal?




Normal has a statistical, mathematical definition. It's not just some stupid opinion from some ignorant asshole on the internet.



In this distribution, normal is anything that falls within one standard deviation from the mean.



The norm in this society seems to be complacent support for those concepts like war and famine.  The norm is people consuming way more of the earth/life than needed.  The norm is that we are destroying our planet at an ever increasing rate.

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They're names created by man to describe a concept, as all words are.




Exactly. All words are created to describe a concept. Take, for example, the word murder. Murder is just a concept, as all words are. Words like war, famine, plague.

Just because schizophrenia is a noun, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. In fact, the reason that we have names for mental illnesses is because they exist.

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This indicates to me mental illness is a term for describing patterns of behavior or gifts that are perceived to be outside of 'normal' behavior.

But what is normal?




Normal has a statistical, mathematical definition. It's not just some stupid opinion from some ignorant asshole on the internet.



In this distribution, normal is anything that falls within one standard deviation from the mean.



The norm in this society seems to be complacent support for those concepts like war and famine.  The norm is people consuming way more of the earth/life than needed.  The norm is that we are destroying our planet at an ever increasing rate.

So is it good to be normal?




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    #19406784 - 01/12/14 03:34 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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Ok.  Can you give me a quick refresher on the propogation of electromagnetic fields when the medium isn't a perfect vaccuum.  Thanks.  :smirk:


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    #19407614 - 01/12/14 10:03 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Speaking from my own experience, the bi-polar disorder is a fabrication of what I call the "mental health industry" to make a buck. I was diagnosed with bipolar and before that major depression before I decided to take matters into my own hands and get to the root of the issue since the medication did little more than make me a zombie. It took years of hard work, but once I let go of the idea of 'bi-polar' and reprogrammed myself to be happier, appreciate more, and live a healthier lifestyle, I felt MUCH better than I did on the medication and in therapy. I feel that we place too much trust in people just because they have a degree. I feel we should each think for ourselves...many people who are supposedly depressed or bipolar are in fact being mistreated in subtle but very damaging ways by others, even on a spiritual level. Again, this is my own experience that I simply wanted to share. Best of luck to all of you.


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    #19407657 - 01/12/14 10:14 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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What I am witnessing is a society of zombies who are drugged to a flatlined state and that is considered to be living a “good life.” If the doctors get the medications balanced just right, the patient has no emotional experience whatsoever. They become an automaton that wakes up, gets dressed, goes about its day, and goes to bed. Over and over and over. There is no experiencing of life. There is no feeling. “Life” becomes a long train of grey day after grey day and even in the moments where there “should be” some sort of feeling, there is none. These magical cocktails of pharmaceuticals wipe away the sorrow and the joy; they neutralize the violent rage and the passionate drive of the creative mind; they take away the nightmares and the beautiful dreams.

When you control, dampen, or stop one emotion, the same is done for all emotions. And because we are human beings, here to FEEL, then, when you control, dampen, or stop one emotion, you are controlling, dampening, or stopping life…
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    #19408751 - 01/12/14 03:07 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Speaking from my own experience, the bi-polar disorder is a fabrication of what I call the "mental health industry" to make a buck. I was diagnosed with bipolar and before that major depression before I decided to take matters into my own hands and get to the root of the issue since the medication did little more than make me a zombie. It took years of hard work, but once I let go of the idea of 'bi-polar' and reprogrammed myself to be happier, appreciate more, and live a healthier lifestyle, I felt MUCH better than I did on the medication and in therapy. I feel that we place too much trust in people just because they have a degree. I feel we should each think for ourselves...many people who are supposedly depressed or bipolar are in fact being mistreated in subtle but very damaging ways by others, even on a spiritual level. Again, this is my own experience that I simply wanted to share. Best of luck to all of you.




This is the goal of psychiatric treatment for bipolar disorder. Some people need meds to get there, some don't. You will always be bipolar, but you spent years struggling to become the healthy person you are today. You have learned coping strategies and have grown beyond the control of your illness by changing your lifestyle. You have become well :thumbup:


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    #19409268 - 01/12/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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This is the goal of psychiatric treatment for bipolar disorder. Some people need meds to get there, some don't. You will always be bipolar, but you spent years struggling to become the healthy person you are today. You have learned coping strategies and have grown beyond the control of your illness by changing your lifestyle. You have become well :thumbup:




From your perspective, there is such a thing as bipolar. I used to believe in it too. Now I believe in existence beyond this world.

I don't believe in bipolar. To me, it's a symptom of a sick world. But I understand where you're coming from. I am far from perfect, but this is where my road has led me and I am far happier for it, in spite of many obstacles and difficulties that have nothing to do with "illness". I am not bipolar, I am the universe (as every other animal, plant, and stone are the universe) that happened to not fit in their square peg. In any case, thanks for reading and the well wishes! Likewise! :smile: <3


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    #19409279 - 01/12/14 05:21 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Now I believe in existence beyond this world.





Looks like you've got bigger issues than bi-polar disorder now.


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im on abilify for 1 day now, and i feel whack, i thought it was supposed to be a mood stabilizer, i am cranky :crankey:


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: hidenseek1]
    #19409415 - 01/12/14 05:50 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Abilify aint no mood stabilizer, just sayin.. I hope your mood stabilizes on something worth having.

Remember that with most drugs the majority of side effects diminishes considerably in the first month of use as the body adjusts to the drug.


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    #19409505 - 01/12/14 06:10 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Ive never dated a girl who didn't claim to be bi-polar, no joke.


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    #19409510 - 01/12/14 06:11 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

That makes post 10010


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    #19409530 - 01/12/14 06:17 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

is the earth bi polar?


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Asante]
    #19410000 - 01/12/14 08:23 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Abilify aint no mood stabilizer, just sayin.. I hope your mood stabilizes on something worth having.

Remember that with most drugs the majority of side effects diminishes considerably in the first month of use as the body adjusts to the drug.




Side effect?  What the is a side effect?  Drugs have effects, they aren't side effects.  Also, I disagree entirely with majority of the effects of a drug diminishing in the first month, that really depends on the drug and the person.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: something super extreme]
    #19410793 - 01/13/14 12:32 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Now I believe in existence beyond this world.





Looks like you've got bigger issues than bi-polar disorder now.




Such believes in a world rules by me, I would have you executed.

personally, I am capable of controlling my feelings and mindset through simple meditative focus.. making me rationalized and reasonable or maddening creative... guess I am bipolar then.. this ability, I have never looked upon as an illness. I am what I am, so to speak, and it is but an other part of my uniqueness to put an egosentric view on it.. I can chose to hallusinate at will... guess that makes me a scitzofrenic or something in that direction... never been a problem either..

. the naming of such diagnoses is but a mix of ignorance and bad behavior, resulting in mass-manipulation... or as some would say, simply mass-manipulation to serve someones greed, be it man or alien. Manipulation it would be yet the same.. ignorance by the practitioners too..

what about people who are frantic in dellusions? Their problem is being frantic about it. Fear is the true madness... the wizard of Oz so to speak... I would guess most dellusional people today are much more sane than that of the general population.. thats your insanity(yes, actual insanity) and madness.. anyone read the contest of wills for you tes-fans? It is supprisingly accurate..


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: fapjack]
    #19411190 - 01/13/14 04:19 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Side effects is the common term for effects of a drug that are unwanted or unneccesary in their medicinal utility. Its a rather common word.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: plektheplek]
    #19411315 - 01/13/14 05:50 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

I got IQ tested in psychiatry and when it ended up higher then their expectations I immediately received the Borderline diagnosis.

After asking them why I exactly was borderline they told me that everyone partially is.

:facepalm:

And thus my experience is narrowed down to a pathology.

They also prescribed me four different medications. I took them the first week and then flushed it every night. They were suprised how calm I was and shocked when I told them I didn't take them at all. Apparently it's an oddity nowadays that people don't need medication to remain their temper :lolsy:

:rolleyes: as much as I appreciate the effort of these people to combat mental illness everyone needs a different form of treatment and as with any job you do... after doing something for a long time you start to see patterns in your work.

I don't think that's a good thing when it comes to a persons health. Sometimes I felt the psychologists saw things that weren't really there, I gave them a chance for rational discussion but in the end it all got dumbed down over and over to the same borderline diagnosis.

Oh well, I discussed chemistry & pharmacology in brutal honesty with the doctor but he was an old man and I did notice he was suprised about what I knew but in the end I think he already made the assumption that i'm just another druggie, shame I felt he could learn me a lot :shrug:

I got so many philosophy papers from there :yesnod:

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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Asante]
    #19411517 - 01/13/14 07:54 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Side effects is the common term for effects of a drug that are unwanted or unneccesary in their medicinal utility. Its a rather common word.




They aren't side effects, they are effects.  People don't get to choose what effects of a chemical are the primary effects.


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    #19411522 - 01/13/14 07:56 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Now I believe in existence beyond this world.





Looks like you've got bigger issues than bi-polar disorder now.




Hmmm I'm getting attacked a lot for my post...I wonder why :wink: I'll just take your comment as a funny.

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