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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19400155 - 01/10/14 04:51 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Don't you think psychiatry completely disregards the very notion of a spirit world?


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19400254 - 01/10/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

No. Psychiatry is a field of medical science. It's not the theory itself. There are many different approaches & theories contained within it, including some with an emphasis on spirituality. Don't forget that psychiatry was the where psychedelics first made an impact on the western world. Many of the pioneers, such as Stanislav Grof for example, stressed the importance of spirituality in one's life.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19400503 - 01/10/14 06:11 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Spiritual entities even...??


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: FishOilTheKid] * 1
    #19401507 - 01/10/14 10:45 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

This thread got fucking stupid.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: healing] * 1
    #19401510 - 01/10/14 10:45 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Barely began any better.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19401530 - 01/10/14 10:50 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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No. Psychiatry is a field of medical science. It's not the theory itself. There are many different approaches & theories contained within it, including some with an emphasis on spirituality. Don't forget that psychiatry was the where psychedelics first made an impact on the western world. Many of the pioneers, such as Stanislav Grof for example, stressed the importance of spirituality in one's life.




You realize how ridiculous science of the mind sounds don't you?  I think a lot of good things come for psychology, but isn't a science.  I think neuropharmacology can help a lot too, but that's not the same as what psychiatry does.  Subjective science...


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: fapjack]
    #19401606 - 01/10/14 11:15 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I have lots of friends who are bipolar most are normal as far as i can tell. some use to have problems that got better after a year or 2 of the right drugs. But my crazy bat shit crazy ass bipolar ex, she tried to off herself and or cut herself at least 5 time in the 3 years we were together (a cutter)and should have taken her meds but they keep trying to find one that works and some made shit worse so it can be very hard to get the right prescription. I think most people realize they are not quite right when they are really bad bipolar at some point in life. alcohol and weed can be very bad for bipolar people sometimes also i have seen some people get much worse from daily use.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: lighthouse09]
    #19401638 - 01/10/14 11:25 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

If I'm super manic and I get really drunk it can end very badly.  I've been arrested, ended up in the ER, and woke up in a random place several times when drinking during serious mania.  I had a really bad episode last week, was seriously considering suicide.  It sucks, but I still won't go on any medication.  They usually just make you feel like a shell of yourself and make you feel groggy all day.  Fuck that, I'd rather be crazy then medicated.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: lighthouse09] * 1
    #19401640 - 01/10/14 11:26 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Doctor's with Phd's in neuroscience, neurochemistry, etc, can't tell you really or don't understand about how the brain works or why certain things happen in a person brains, but kids with high school degrees on a drug forum can tell you with certainty that bi-polar disorder is made up and doesn't exists.

:lolsy:


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19401650 - 01/10/14 11:29 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I get the dart board thing. With my brother they kept trying "this new med" for yeard until they got it right with geodone and some other shit.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19401678 - 01/10/14 11:34 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Doctor's with Phd's in neuroscience, neurochemistry, etc, can't tell you really or don't understand about how the brain works or why certain things happen in a person brains, but kids with high school degrees on a drug forum can tell you with certainty that bi-polar disorder is made up and doesn't exists.

:lolsy:




You have the internet, post some definitive proof on how bi-polar "disease" works...  I don't need a college degree to read.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: s240779]
    #19401682 - 01/10/14 11:35 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Buncha nonsense. You'll find many scathing criticisms of the psychiatry industry.




I always thought you were a bit off but this here confirms it.  Mood disorders are a reality.  In some cases it's mild, in some cases it's severe, especially if you add drug abuse to the mix. 

Fucking hipsters.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: fapjack] * 1
    #19401693 - 01/10/14 11:37 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Doctor's with Phd's in neuroscience, neurochemistry, etc, can't tell you really or don't understand about how the brain works or why certain things happen in a person brains, but kids with high school degrees on a drug forum can tell you with certainty that bi-polar disorder is made up and doesn't exists.

:lolsy:




You have the internet, post some definitive proof on how bi-polar "disease" works...  I don't need a college degree to read.





Well, if you want to prove it doesn't, you do the research and test cases and show it doesn't.  I have no idea.  If a person who spends their life can't understand how the brain really works, I don't think I can.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Hobozen]
    #19401706 - 01/10/14 11:40 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Mental illnesses are simply labels for patterns of behavior.  They're man made.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Hobozen]
    #19401714 - 01/10/14 11:42 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Buncha nonsense. You'll find many scathing criticisms of the psychiatry industry.




I always thought you were a bit off but this here confirms it.  Mood disorders are a reality.  In some cases it's mild, in some cases it's severe, especially if you add drug abuse to the mix. 

Fucking hipsters.




Everyone has problems, some people have much more severe problems than others.  Is it science though?  If your mom dies and you can't cope for a year is that mental illness or is it a problem with coping?  You should treat patients as people and try to deal with their problems individually instead of just trying to label them into a group.  There isn't science backing up most mental disorders so they should stop pretending that they know what or why the problem is the way it is.  Also, the whole way a select group of people select what goes into the DSM is BS.  Treat the patient, not the disorder.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: greenterror] * 1
    #19401718 - 01/10/14 11:43 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Mental illnesses are simply labels for patterns of behavior.  They're man made.





How do you know that?  What qualifies you to decide what is manmade in medical science? 

You see what I'm saying?  People here are not qualified to know what the science is or is not. 

They are only qualified ot have opinions.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: fapjack]
    #19401724 - 01/10/14 11:44 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Doctor's with Phd's in neuroscience, neurochemistry, etc, can't tell you really or don't understand about how the brain works or why certain things happen in a person brains, but kids with high school degrees on a drug forum can tell you with certainty that bi-polar disorder is made up and doesn't exists.

:lolsy:




You have the internet, post some definitive proof on how bi-polar "disease" works...  I don't need a college degree to read.




When I was in the psych. ward, my nurse KNEW that I was on ecstasy.  She said she could sense it and swore to the other nurses that I was high as a kite. 

The thing is, I wasn't on ecstasy.  I was in a hypomanic state, which feels like being on ecstasy.  Along with it comes all that ecstasy offers - bliss, epiphanies, carelessness.  After the hypomanic state comes the crash. 

That is not how the brain normally functions.  Normally it would function with balance.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: fapjack]
    #19401751 - 01/10/14 11:49 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Buncha nonsense. You'll find many scathing criticisms of the psychiatry industry.




I always thought you were a bit off but this here confirms it.  Mood disorders are a reality.  In some cases it's mild, in some cases it's severe, especially if you add drug abuse to the mix. 

Fucking hipsters.




Everyone has problems, some people have much more severe problems than others.  Is it science though?  If your mom dies and you can't cope for a year is that mental illness or is it a problem with coping?  You should treat patients as people and try to deal with their problems individually instead of just trying to label them into a group.  There isn't science backing up most mental disorders so they should stop pretending that they know what or why the problem is the way it is.  Also, the whole way a select group of people select what goes into the DSM is BS.  Treat the patient, not the disorder.




I don't agree with the way it's all set up, but that's not to say there isn't any science in what we've learned so far.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Hobozen]
    #19401754 - 01/10/14 11:50 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

What is normal?  Being hypomanic isn't all that rare.  It has its place in society, especially because its really easy to function when you are hypomanic unlike being manic.


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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19401758 - 01/10/14 11:52 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Mental illnesses are simply labels for patterns of behavior.  They're man made.





How do you know that?  What qualifies you to decide what is manmade in medical science? 

You see what I'm saying?  People here are not qualified to know what the science is or is not. 

They are only qualified ot have opinions.



They're names created by man to describe a concept, as all words are.

From my experience:

I once met a guy named Arthur.  He saw dead people.  Many people would claim they were figments of his imagination caused by a mental disease.  He has evidence that this is not the case.

He once saw a young girl at a park.  He looked her in the eyes and when he did so, she approached him as she knew he could see her.

She told Arthur that she was lost, Arthur asked where she lived and offered to take her there.

They both got in the car, the door opened as she entered.

Once arriving to her house, Arthur knocked on the door, her mom answered the door.  Arthur said "I don't mean any disrespect, but did you have a young daughter who had died?  Because if you do, she is with me."

The mother broke down into tears that he had brought her deceased daughter back home.  She offered to write him a $1000 check.  Arthur declined as his intentions were not financial, but just as a favor.


This indicates to me mental illness is a term for describing patterns of behavior or gifts that are perceived to be outside of 'normal' behavior.

But what is normal?


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