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FishOilTheKid
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: circastes]
#19397519 - 01/10/14 06:40 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I say just go to a good community clinic, trust them, get it out of the way. If you catch these illnesses early you can be quite lucky and live normally.
I've been on so many debilitating meds that I don't quite trust your advice anymore. I see a grand conspiracy or complete lack of understanding in what they are doing with the chemicals.
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Mescalean]
#19398157 - 01/10/14 09:59 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I don't know about you OP, but I know I am bi-polar. I'm just lucky enough to be able to control it with one little pill in the morning. Some need injections and shit.
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Patlal]
#19398162 - 01/10/14 10:00 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Do mind sharing what med you take?
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Patlal
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FishOilTheKid said: Do mind sharing what med you take?
Lamotrigine for the bi-polar part, and cipralex (lexapro) for the depression part.
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Point number one: psychiatry is not a science. Point number two: so called "mental disorders" as defined by the DSM are there to make people believe that psychiatry is a science. Point number three: you have to make people feel sick if you want to cure them.
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
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FishOilTheKid said: Do mind sharing what med you take?
Lamotrigine for the bi-polar part, and cipralex (lexapro) for the depression part.
Lexapro made me feel
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FishOilTheKid said: Do mind sharing what med you take?
Lamotrigine for the bi-polar part, and cipralex (lexapro) for the depression part.
Lexapro made me feel 
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Patlal]
#19398599 - 01/10/14 11:50 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Some drugs can help people, but psychiatrists treat a lot of mental disorders with a fucking tart board. You know who is the most critical and has least faith in psychiatry? Crazy people. The results you pay for, and the results you get from this pseudo-science are pathetic. Also, classifying m"ental illness" as disease is complete horse shit.
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: fapjack]
#19398671 - 01/10/14 12:02 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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When I was in rehab I was told that very few people are actually bi-polar. They found a new classification for most people who used to be that category, I can't remember exactly what it was. Some kind of personality disorder that most people fall under in one way or another.
Still diagnosed me with bi-polar though, I must be fucked up.
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Everyone has serious mental issues from time to time, only people with problems coping end up with classifications.
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: fapjack] 1
#19398789 - 01/10/14 12:27 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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No, it isn't a disease like diabetes. You can test someone for diabetes. Bipolar diagnosis is a subjective observation from 2nd hand observations. Whether bipolar is "disease" of the brain or of the mind isn't known yet.
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: fapjack]
#19399655 - 01/10/14 03:19 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I'd just say we have a wide arrange of emotions.
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: healing]
#19399694 - 01/10/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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healing said: Are those like your symptoms, OP. Do you lose touch with reality?
I tried to kill myself so they locked me in a mental institution and started feeding me pills
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Icyus]
#19399892 - 01/10/14 04:04 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Well if you catch schizophrenia early the brain can heal and my case worker/doc claims the medication prevents further progression of the illness. They usually put you on medication for at least a year and that's supposed to be long enough for the brain the heal the first time.
If you continually abuse drugs like my brother did for years and years it turns into a chronic situation. He was already psychotic and still smoked more pot. It might be pretty much over for him.
Even in the little booklets I read in the waiting room schizophrenia is said to be able to produce a couple of episodes then leave one symptom free if treated. A lot of people take Clozapine, the most effective antipsychotic, and my case worker has said he has seen some people take it and just return to normal. My 2nd brother who has schizophrenia was using Clozapine and doctors thought he was misdiagnosed and took him off it (only for symptoms to return).
Also why are these people so smart? They all impress me a little bit. Maybe you have bad doctors in US of A? Bad education system? Because the people that work with me are probably a lot smarter than any of us here. Cept me of course.
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: circastes]
#19399927 - 01/10/14 04:09 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I admit it. I have seen shit docs that seem like they don't know shit. A couple have even broken out their smart phones to look up dosage recommendations and shit.
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plektheplek said: It seems to me that just about everybody that goes into a mental hospital is told they are bi-polar and need to take certain meds for their disease. It seems like they are just slapping the same old label on everybody they treat even if there isn't a thing wrong with them, they just had a really bad fucking day and ended up getting thrown into a mental institution for various different reasons. They were irrational, they were too lively, they were a risk to themselves, etc
I just wonder how accurate these diagnosis really are and if there really is a disease that needs to be treated
Everybody is bipolar to one extent or another. We all have negative and positive emotions, we all have an ego and soul.
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Re: Are we really bi-polar? [Re: Icyus] 1
#19400073 - 01/10/14 04:37 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I personally disagree with many of the prevailing attitudes that have been espoused by psychiatry, but throwing the entire field under the bus would be a mistake. The fact is that the human mind is a mystery that we have not yet unraveled. Is big pharma pushing pills? Yup. However, it's not as simple as that. It's not a huge conspiracy to keep people medicated. There is no cure for these disorders. There's only management, and as far as medication goes, every one is different. People go through the whole gamut of psych meds, and some never find a balance with them. Same with other treatments. There is no blueprint, and I'm not sure that there ever will be. This doesn't mean that we should give up.
Seeing wannabe shamans saying that western medicine doesn't know anything simultaneously drives me up the wall & makes me laugh. I used to feel the same way though. In fact, I'm pretty sure that there are posts of mine here from the past saying the very same thing as the OP, and trashing doctors & whatnot. Then I grew up & laid off the drugs, and chose to pursue a career in the medical field. That gave me a whole new perspective on things. I've learned a whole lot, and I have a whole lot more to learn. One of the things that I've learned is that western medicine does know a lot. A hell of a lot more than some kid that ate mushrooms, listened to some Terence McKenna lectures & suddenly thinks they have all the answers. We keep learning more & more as well. There have been so many advancements in medical knowledge/technology over the past ten years, it's ridiculous...and we're just going to keep learning more.
I should also note that while my comments are highly disparaging to wannabe shamans & whatnot, I do have a lot of respect for genuine shamanic cultures, and I feel that we have a lot to learn from them. Pulling the best ideas, theories, treatments, etc from all different frameworks of medical practice & utilizing them in conjunction with each other is likely to be the most successful approach to medicine.
The field I'm in is well established aspect of western medicine, but we do take w holistic approach, treat the whole person; body, mind & spirit. I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't prescribe or dole out meds. My job is to assist patients suffering from a whole range of diseases, traumas, and disorders in regaining as much functional independence as possible, in order to increase their quality of life. I could be rehabbing a patient with a back injury that also happens to be bipolar. That affects the treatment, and I need to work in strategies to help the patient manage their bipolar disorder at the same time as I'm working on their back, otherwise the treatment will be unsuccessful. Having worked with patients that do suffer from mental illness, on top of everything else, I'm speaking from experience when I say that it's very real, and has very real & very devastating consequences on these individuals' lives.
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