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PsilocybeDemoneus
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Popcorn colonization question
#19395714 - 01/09/14 08:04 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Okay, so just 3-4 days ago i inoculated a 1/2 pint jar filled with popcorn with Psilocybe Cubensis (Penis Envy) spores that i had obtained, I saw no signs of mycelia...like no signs. So, with popcorn how long does it take for the spores to germinate? I also put a high concentration in the jars. Yes i am a noob and this is my first grow, and my first post so bear with me here. Thanks so much for your input!
Edited by PsilocybeDemoneus (01/09/14 08:59 PM)
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PsilocybeDemoneus
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i also re-inoculated the 4 jars i had with 7 cc's of hydrated spores from said syringe
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MushLoveMT
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4 days isn't really that long... whats the temperature where your jars are?
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PsilocybeDemoneus
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: MushLoveMT]
#19395767 - 01/09/14 08:14 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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About 71, now at 80 that i realized i needed to turn the heat up a bit. Placed in a box inside an incubator.
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PsilocybeDemoneus
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also put way to much verm at the top, so i took it out (using sterile measures of course) so i thought it was because of the O2 choke-off, and then reinoculated just incase
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AllegedCultivator
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It can take a while with syringes, be patient and wait a few more days.
Edited by AllegedCultivator (01/10/14 03:32 PM)
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Josh.0
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POPCORN!! !!
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PsilocybeDemoneus
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I'll resist my urges for five more days and then peep on them Tuesday
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oh p.s. Welcome to the shroomery!
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: Josh.0]
#19396243 - 01/09/14 10:21 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Josh.0 said:
POPCORN!! !! 
I use popcorn all the time if you get the moisture content rite it works great(not as good as WBS but a lot cleaner to work with)
OP you shouldn't put dry verm in with grains. use pollyfil, tyvek or sfds for a filter. also it can take a lot longer than a few days for spores to germinate. just let your jars be and have some patients. Also 71 is a great temp for colonization.
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: MushLoveMT]
#19396251 - 01/09/14 10:22 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Why didn't you go for classic BRF cakes? It is the easiest to get started... I am pretty much a noob to and it worked great for me 
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: MudaFuka]
#19396265 - 01/09/14 10:24 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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i couldnt get popcorn right
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MudaFuka
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I started with grains it was a bit rocky at first but its not that hard. It just sounds like you need to do a bit more reading. use the search bar at the top of the page. just look up random stuff see what you can learn. It worked for me.
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: tripdawg420]
#19396428 - 01/09/14 11:03 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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tripdawg420 said: i couldnt get popcorn right 
ME EITHER!
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: Josh.0]
#19396468 - 01/09/14 11:14 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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its not that hard, there is no soak. Just simmer them at medium to low heat until they are soft all the way threw and the outer skin starts to split slightly.
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: MudaFuka]
#19396476 - 01/09/14 11:15 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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ive tryed a few differant ways
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: tripdawg420]
#19396494 - 01/09/14 11:20 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Josh.0
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: tripdawg420]
#19396516 - 01/09/14 11:26 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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tripdawg420 said: ive tired a few differant ways 
 same here..i would wind up getting a rotten buttery smelling contam..that looked creamy.. weird stuff.. I think i may try popping it then using it havent tried that one yet.
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: Josh.0]
#19396542 - 01/09/14 11:34 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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i cant remember what happened but it wasnt good
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PsilocybeDemoneus
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: tripdawg420]
#19397730 - 01/10/14 07:51 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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No, my popcorn is on point in moisture I'm pretty sure it was because of the ridiculous amount of vermiculite at the top. I already took it out and re-inoculated the 4 jars with about 7ccs of Psilocybe Cubensis just to be safe, and put it in a warm dark place. Should see something Tuesday. I just need to learn some fucking patience.
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PsilocybeDemoneus
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: MushLoveMT]
#19397746 - 01/10/14 07:57 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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And thanks for the welcome. I recieve such words.
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spacechildo
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PsilocybeDemoneus said: No, my popcorn is on point in moisture I'm pretty sure it was because of the ridiculous amount of vermiculite at the top.
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PsilocybeDemoneus
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: spacechildo]
#19399132 - 01/10/14 01:33 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I'm saying that the ridiculously slow mycelial growth was probably due to both my impatience and the lack of O2 in the jars. So i removed the verm.... And learned some patience as well
Edited by PsilocybeDemoneus (01/10/14 01:34 PM)
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Kizzle
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I think the Wut is referring to adding vermiculite to a popcorn jar
Were you trying to use it as a contam barrier? It's only done with PF style jars. Need a filter for grains.
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: Josh.0]
#19399790 - 01/10/14 03:49 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Quote:
Josh.0 said:
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tripdawg420 said: ive tired a few differant ways 
 same here..i would wind up getting a rotten buttery smelling contam..that looked creamy.. weird stuff.. I think i may try popping it then using it havent tried that one yet.
Fantastic--self buttering popcorn! A guy could make a killing with that.
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PsilocybeDemoneus
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: Kizzle]
#19399837 - 01/10/14 03:57 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Oh. Well. It's out now. Checked them again today and saw white fuzzies of mycelia when I shook the kernels around at the top of the jar an now I'm gonna leave them alone till Saturday so the myc can really take hold. Would shaking affect them in any sort way affect EARLY growth. Though the resistance of mycelia is quite astounding, so I wouldn't think so. And yes I was trying to create a contam barrier.
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MudaFuka
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you should rely only shake once around 30% colonization and then let them be.
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spacechildo
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: Kizzle]
#19399991 - 01/10/14 04:21 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Kizzle said: I think the Wut is referring to adding vermiculite to a popcorn jar
Were you trying to use it as a contam barrier? It's only done with PF style jars. Need a filter for grains.
Well, the wut was because he knew the grains were properly hydrated because of the loads of verm in the jars. what does loads of verm in a jar tell about the moisture in the grains?
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: spacechildo]
#19400081 - 01/10/14 04:38 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I hope when you removed the verm you did it in front of a flower hood or in a still air box. Even then I would consider it a risky procedure.
Shaking can indeed negatively affect early growth after a mutlispore inoculation. Mushroom mycelium grows very slowly until it finds a compatible strain to combine with so you want all spores to germinate near each other to make this happen sooner.
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: Kizzle]
#19400147 - 01/10/14 04:50 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Opening those jars to take out verm is just asking for contams. I'd start batch 2 right away and not hope for too much from this batch. And this time after it's sterilized don't even think of opening the jars. Like they said spores can take a while to germinate on any substrate.
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: vikingsc]
#19400180 - 01/10/14 04:55 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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vikingsc said: Opening those jars to take out verm is just asking for contams. I'd start batch 2 right away and not hope for too much from this batch. And this time after it's sterilized don't even think of opening the jars. Like they said spores can take a while to germinate on any substrate. 
I meant to mention that. I'm surprised no one has up until now. very bad idea.
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Re: Popcorn colonization question [Re: Josh.0]
#19401091 - 01/10/14 08:46 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Quote:
Josh.0 said:
POPCORN!! !! 
i use popcorn all the time for my actives, and grain for my gourmet mushies. just so i can tell them apart visually i haven't had any problem with popcorn. i don't why people don't like it.
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