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Ayahuasca Retreats
    #19395348 - 01/09/14 06:57 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I am looking into attending a Ayahuasca healing retreat next year in Peru.Can somebody please recommend a few reputable shamans/retreats I should be looking for?.I want my experience to be held in a very traditional way,apposed to people that just want too make a quick buck and possibly cause you harm.
Any input is much appreciated


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Re: Ayahuasca Retreats [Re: FractalGlider]
    #19395484 - 01/09/14 07:21 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

take note, when there, very make use of the Coca leafs.  love those things


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Re: Ayahuasca Retreats [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #19397045 - 01/10/14 01:57 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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take note, when there, very make use of the Coca leafs.  love those things



Ohh don't worry,I plan on it


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Re: Ayahuasca Retreats [Re: FractalGlider]
    #19397208 - 01/10/14 03:33 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Aww man, wish I had the bucks to do the same. Not for the Aya alone (I can get that in Europe just fine, thanks to the Santo Daime) but for the specific Art Plant that the Shipibo use in addition to it.

Having seen some pretty incredible art that resulted from it, I for one would venture forth to an actual Shipibo settlement and spend some time there, doing it right. I spoke to the artist whose art impressed me so much, he said that if I go there he'd love to set me up with the right people.

May not be relevant to you if you're looking for other effects with the Aya, as opposed to art/creativity.

Are you staying for longer, or just an in-and-out touristy retreat thing? I ask as I imagine most proper curanderos or shamans won't have a Facebook page and online presence, so you'd have to look for them over there, not remotely, online. If they work with retreat centers that do have a presence, obviously you'll pay way more for the tourist-friendly package.


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Re: Ayahuasca Retreats [Re: Spacerific]
    #19397275 - 01/10/14 04:27 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Aww man, wish I had the bucks to do the same. Not for the Aya alone (I can get that in Europe just fine, thanks to the Santo Daime) but for the specific Art Plant that the Shipibo use in addition to it.

Having seen some pretty incredible art that resulted from it, I for one would venture forth to an actual Shipibo settlement and spend some time there, doing it right. I spoke to the artist whose art impressed me so much, he said that if I go there he'd love to set me up with the right people.

May not be relevant to you if you're looking for other effects with the Aya, as opposed to art/creativity.

Are you staying for longer, or just an in-and-out touristy retreat thing? I ask as I imagine most proper curanderos or shamans won't have a Facebook page and online presence, so you'd have to look for them over there, not remotely, online. If they work with retreat centers that do have a presence, obviously you'll pay way more for the tourist-friendly package.



Thanks for your reply.Ideally I would like to do with a whole tribe,like how Bruce Barry done it on his BBC documentary.I know that finding such a place is going too be a hard steal,hence why I am asking for input via the great interwebs :smile:.
I will probably be spending 3-4 weeks there


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Re: Ayahuasca Retreats [Re: FractalGlider]
    #19397845 - 01/10/14 08:32 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Ok, a bit more input from my end then. I've heard of Aya, resolved to try it, initially aiming for Peru. Way, way out of my budget. Some research later, I found that there's several ways to do it, because obviously by tribe, community and region, different traditions develop.

Two main ways stood out for me:

- The Peruvian way, usually a relatively small group, with some sort of shaman / curandero / ayahuasquero involved, maybe an assistant/apprentice as well. Sometimes it's just you and the shaman, so one on one context.

- The Brazilian method, aka Santo Daime. I think UDV also fits here or is reasonably close. Not overly familiar with them specifically, since they're not active in Europe. Santo Daime however, are active. This is how I found out that lo and behold, you can try Aya, in an actual ceremony, here in Europe. Much more realistic for me, budget-wise.

I had issues with this, namely a profound dislike for Portuguese (something just bugs me about the way it sounds) and also, the Santo Daime are partly Christian.

Long story short, I showed up (Netherlands, where SD became officially recognized as an OK religion, so they're now legal). Tried it, went awesome (well, mostly :lol:). And I thought all my Aya needs are over, I'll just come to NL and blast out on the local Aya, done deal. Which I did, I'm for the 6th time here, probably showing up at the SD church in The Hague again, this January. Lovely people.

Anyway, after my first Aya ceremony here, I went to Boom 2012, and saw the work of 3 Aya painters. One of them (actually the youngest) blew me to kingdom come with his art, and then gave a lecture. In his lecture he presented the way his people use Aya, and a certain other plant, as said before, The Art Plant. Taken 5 days before an Aya ceremony, it is non-psychoactive by itself, but it "tunes" the subsequent Aya trip in a way that connects the user specifically with his artistic / creative side.

So Peru was on my map again, because I can't get that plant in Europe, and it needs to be taken fresh. Still out of my budget for now :shrug:

Last weekend I had my first ceremony that closer resembles the Peruvian method. 4 people, one house, chimney, fire, altar, incense, a lot of sitting, laying down, listening to wind, fire, maybe one guy singing icaros, or all 4 of us chanting, etc. My impression is that the ceremony part of Santo Daime (50 -200 people, all singing, 6-7 instruments plus at least a dozen maracas shaken in unison from all directions, for 7+ hours) is by far more effective. Specifically, my feeling was that the music actually imprints itself in your body/mind, and you take not only the visions with you, but also that rhythm. I highly suspect it's like a reset for your natural rhythms (sleep/awake, stress/calm, hunger/movement, that kinda thing). Months after a ceremony, sometimes I have amazing flashback with the music, find myself pleasantly dancing and following a nice complex percussion rhythm, like the ones I've heard. 

I asked the Peruvian artist about doing Aya over there, he said that if I come around and he's also in Peru (he travels a lot for psy festivals) he'd love to share the know-how and contacts.

One of the guys in last weekend's ceremony, he went to South America and worked with a shaman, taking Aya twice a week for some tome, also dieting as prescribed. When in NL he tried the Santo Daime ceremony and didn't like it, thought it was too impersonal, like he didn't fit in. For me, I find it awesome. I found the one with 4 people to be quite boring by comparison (trip report to come) but the Aya we brewed might have been the issue as well. So can't tell in advance which style you'll like most, IMO it's good to try both and see for yourself.

PM if you need some info on the artist mentioned, but bear in mind he only speaks Spanish.

If you're in the US, there might be some UDV people around, or reasonably close. I think it's much better to find a reliable way to do it, that's repeatable (say once a year and takes a weekend or a week tops) than some expensive retreat you can only do once, and takes a month, and then 5-10 years you don't do another.

Hope you find your way, if you put in the work to show up, IMO the Aya will reward you royally :biggrin:


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