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these wbs jars look... Decent?
    #19395058 - 01/09/14 06:10 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

i think they may be alil more moisture in the jar than needed?
Should I just inoc. Or ....? There been sitting since 6am

info needed, thanks :laugh:


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19395327 - 01/09/14 06:53 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I'd start over those look too wet.

Better safe then sorry...

growing bacteria isn't very exciting :frown:


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #19395508 - 01/09/14 07:26 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Damnnnnn..
Start with new ones or with these?
And I need a detailed tek


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19395515 - 01/09/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

do they roll around easily like bbs?


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: twistedty]
    #19395522 - 01/09/14 07:29 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Yea but they also sometimes stick to the glass till I hit it alil harder


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19395525 - 01/09/14 07:30 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Yea but they also sometimes stick to the glass till I hit it alil harder





did they just come out of the pc?

did you steam dry?


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: twistedty]
    #19395547 - 01/09/14 07:35 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

They came out of steam sterilization around 6am, its 930 pm now,
And the tek i used said to rinse in cold water to stop cooking process
Only the tiny seed stick to the glass but when i abuse it , most if it falls back down


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19395558 - 01/09/14 07:37 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Steam sterilizing grains = fail


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19395567 - 01/09/14 07:40 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

It worked with brf+verm, my PC got stolen lmao


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19395570 - 01/09/14 07:40 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

PM cronicr if u did a steam thing with those grains.  he may be able to let u kno if thats what his look like or not, and if there is a difference with pc'd jars in appearance.

if my jars look a bit wet out of PC (some moisture on glass, 15 or so scattered wet grains) i will shake and put them aside for a few days, and they look fine after that.  dunno if thats all in my head or what tho?


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19395580 - 01/09/14 07:42 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I'm going to inoc anyway and make up some more jarrs if these fail :/ wish I had more jars lol.

Also I need some good full of detail (steam sterilized) tel if possible


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19395588 - 01/09/14 07:42 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Steam sterilizing grains = fail



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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19395589 - 01/09/14 07:43 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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It worked with brf+verm, my PC got stolen lmao





did you steam them all day?  ive heard it working if you do it for 8 hours


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: twistedty]
    #19395595 - 01/09/14 07:44 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

No I did it for alil more than 2 hours, with the wbs as well.

Its always worked for me.
Never had contains in jars
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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19395607 - 01/09/14 07:46 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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No I did it for alil more than 2 hours, with the wbs as well.

Its always worked for me.
Never had contains in jars
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you have steamed quart jars of wbs for two hours and not got contams?


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: twistedty]
    #19395645 - 01/09/14 07:53 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Made a mistake
I've done 6-8 1/2pints
And 2 1pints for 2 or so hours without any contams .
Only contams ive had were in my tub and tray. Which were little spot of blue fuzz trich i believe and cobweb in the tray, go to my journal or posts to see.

I did these wbs jars for 2ish hours this morning
Waiting to either inoc
Owait couple days for them to dry alil? Then noc


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19395662 - 01/09/14 07:56 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

hmm 2 hours not long for steaming grains, maybe u could get away with it for 1/2 pints of wbs if it was soaked, but i'd still up it a lot for qt jars.  cronicr does 8 hours i believe


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19395682 - 01/09/14 08:00 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Yea I've read that.. Shoulda but I only have a 2-3hour window to do it.
They were soaking in a bucket for 20-22hours then rinsed again .
Water came to a boil. Turned the heat OFF. Then poured it in put lid on and stird every 3mins for around 10-15 min.
Took out. Drained. Put out to dry in my growing closet for around 35-45 min then put into jars..
But the paper towels I had under neath the wbs when drying was pretty damn damp lol.
I prolly should put more paper towels and let dry again but too late.


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19395689 - 01/09/14 08:01 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I am a newb myself but I have read alot about steam sterilizing grains doesn't generally work because they host contaminants that are stronger than ones generally in your brf/verm sub and they will not be killed off by just steam sterilization for a couple hours and you really need a PC to sterilize grains in a reasonable amount of time. Someone correct me if im way off though


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19395699 - 01/09/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

You can steam sterilize with brf & verm for the pf tek, but with grains you should definetly PC, and I believe even more so with wbs.

I haven't looked into it myself, but I've seen people on here talk about using brf for bulk type grows on here, I would say look into that until you get a PC. I think how it works is you take some cakes, break them up with a cheese grater, and mix them with a substrate . I don't know really, I've just seen this stuff while skimming.

Kind of an old thread but I did a quick search and found this. Maybe it will help?

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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19395708 - 01/09/14 08:03 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Made a mistake
I've done 6-8 1/2pints
And 2 1pints for 2 or so hours without any contams .
Only contams ive had were in my tub and tray. Which were little spot of blue fuzz trich i believe and cobweb in the tray, go to my journal or posts to see.

I did these wbs jars for 2ish hours this morning
Waiting to either inoc
Owait couple days for them to dry alil? Then noc



There is a huge difference between PF tek cakes and grain jars. Id expect contamination by day 3.


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: fractaldill]
    #19395842 - 01/09/14 08:30 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

That's what I did with my first tub


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: twistedty]
    #19396424 - 01/09/14 11:03 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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It worked with brf+verm, my PC got stolen lmao





did you steam them all day?  ive heard it working if you do it for 8 hours



:whathesaid: iv seen cronicr mention 8 hour steams for grains a couple of times.


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19396437 - 01/09/14 11:06 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

them jars look normal for grains out the pc in a few days there dry up


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: tripdawg420]
    #19397124 - 01/10/14 02:42 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I went ahead an nocced em up with Cambodians, and made up 6-8 1/2pint jars with brf.
And made a syringe of pink buffalo... How long should I wait for them to rehydrate or should I just use it when its time around(2 pm tom)


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19397253 - 01/10/14 04:11 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

When you do your grains again, what I do it soak for about 24h, bring to a boil, turn off the heat, strain them & leave in strainer for 60-90 minutes while they continue to cool down and "steam dry".

You need to leave the lid off whatever you have them in while you stir, so the hot steam can evaporate off the grains BEFORE you PC them. This will bring your grains to be perfect..if they seem a little too wet do a toilet paper test, put a spoonful of your wbs on a square of tp for 10 seconds and if it is wet at all, keep drying!

If your grains still aren't dry enough take out a hair dryer and finish them off! Better to dry than wet when it comes to grains, all the moisture your myc needs is inside the grain!


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: KnownPown]
    #19398610 - 01/10/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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When you do your grains again, what I do it soak for about 24h, bring to a boil, turn off the heat, strain them & leave in strainer for 60-90 minutes while they continue to cool down and "steam dry".






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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: twistedty]
    #19399352 - 01/10/14 02:09 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

So just leave em out to dry in the containor  or after that do I lay em on paper towels to dry ?


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    #19399434 - 01/10/14 02:30 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

You can leave them in the pot ifu want, just keep the lid off so the steam can get out, and stir every 10-15 mins for 90 mins. Usually the bottom half of grains is still kinda damp for me so I'll load half into jars and then blow dry the rest til its perfect, and load that into the rest of my jars :thumbup:


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: KnownPown]
    #19399989 - 01/10/14 04:21 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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You can leave them in the pot ifu want, just keep the lid off so the steam can get out, and stir every 10-15 mins for 90 mins. Usually the bottom half of grains is still kinda damp for me so I'll load half into jars and then blow dry the rest til its perfect, and load that into the rest of my jars :thumbup:




a collander to drain off the water and then stir occasionally a few times while in the collander then wait and hour or two until they are cooled off


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: twistedty]
    #19469516 - 01/24/14 08:54 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

I'm not an old hand at this and this is not advice, just what I have experienced.  I've been doing a lot of experimenting lately and have had results as follows:

Grains Tested: WBS, Popcorn & Green Lentils; Steam sterilized:
WBS & Popcorn, same method - Soaked in tap water for 10-12hrs. Strained and rinsed 4-6 times, rapid boil for 10-15min (stirring frequently), immediately scoop 'boiling hot' grains into jars using slotted spoon, cap jar and immediately place in boiling water (steam) for 1.5hrs.
*Various inoculations with: MS Solution, LC & Spores scraped from print.
All went well colonization was 12-15days, spawned roughly 1:2 to 9:1 HPoo/Hay 48hrs ago, already seeing myc surface in spots.

Thoughts:
#1 - Soaking for 10-12hrs is a safe-ish medium, allowing as much time as possible for endospores to hydrate/germinate yet not long enough to allow popcorn to ferment or WBS to germinate/sprout. (I start the initial soak with very hot tap water to speed up hydration and discourage germination of WBS.)
#2 - Transfering 'boiling hot' grains to the hot jar, directly into the boiling water for sterilizing, keeps the grain at high temps consistantly longer, killing off more (hopefully germinated) contam spores. I shake the jars very briefly 2-3 times during sterilization.

#3 - Hydration hasn't been an issue as of yet. Scooping/straining with a slotted spoon adds a little liquid to the mix (aprx 1/8 inch on bottom of jar) ;however it seems to be absorbed as the steam-sterilization heats and swells the grain a little more.

Now the Green Lentils are very interesting. Short 2hr soak, strained/dried very well, mixed 3:1 w/ Peat Moss, Steam-Sterilized 2hrs, 'noc'ed w/spores scraped from print. 95% colonized in 12-14 days. Spawned to 9:1 HPoo/Hay 48hrs ago, looking pretty good thus far, considering.

Thoughts:
#1 - Lentils turn to stringy slime if the skin breaks before covered w/myc.
#2 - Peat moss (to add fluff) is dark, hard to see if contams have set in.
#3 - Fun experiment, looks like I may get fruit but won't be using lentils or peat again.

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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: sinkingstone]
    #19469720 - 01/24/14 09:55 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Yea i opened these up a while ago and they were stinky!


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19469814 - 01/24/14 10:28 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

I know Fractional sterilization is not popular, but I did it on my first Bulk with WBS and had 100% success. Then I got a PC ha, didn't wanna take any chances. But it DID work for me, the one time I tried it.


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: MaJiK_420]
    #19470526 - 01/25/14 02:46 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

My newest batch is sprouting ... What to do


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19470531 - 01/25/14 02:48 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

toss it, it's useless at that point, try starting your soak with near boiling water


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: cronicr]
    #19470536 - 01/25/14 02:50 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

That's what I did the first time and didn't do this time.. Gooddamnit.

This the 2nd time it hasn't worked for me :confused:


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19470546 - 01/25/14 02:53 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

i soak 20 lbs at a time and start filling my pc after four hours, how long are you soaking for


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: cronicr]
    #19471176 - 01/25/14 09:38 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

12-18hours


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19471214 - 01/25/14 09:54 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

I've used that, and another one I think. Still not working..


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19471218 - 01/25/14 09:54 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

I just really need a PC but won't have one for a long while


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: udntsay]
    #19471266 - 01/25/14 10:06 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Just go buy one for like 39$ or 20$ used off of craigslist. Or is that an impossibility


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Re: these wbs jars look... Decent? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19471355 - 01/25/14 10:28 AM (10 years, 6 days ago)

just make sure your starting with steeping hot water and anything after 12 hours i like to dry my grains before i pc, some get away with out completely drying the outside but i play it safe


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