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Advice for a first time trip
    #19394612 - 01/09/14 04:57 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Hi!

I've been interested in psychedelics for quite some time now. I have read through a lot of the topics of this subforum and other websites on this topic. Recently I read some chapters of Terrence McKenna's "Food of the gods" and Stanislav Grof's "The holotropic mind", so I can somehow imagine what a psychedelic experience could offer, although I'm aware I will never really know until I try. The problem is, I'm afraid of not being able to understand what happens while under the influence and therefore drifting into a panic attack or having trouble to readjust to everyday life after the experience. I'm probably just overthinking it as I really want to explore the world of psychedelics but I can't help worrying about this kind of things, especially because I consider myself a person who tends to overanalyse things.

¿Do you think it would be better for me to start slow or is it better to take a moderate dose in order to get fully inmersed in this new state of consciousness and forget about trying to understand what's happening?

I'm mostly concerned about the fact that the mindfuck could become too overwhelming and lead me to a state of total confusion.

Shrooms are probably going to be the first psychedelic I get to try as they are easier to get ahold of, but I've read that they tend to be more overwhelming than other psychedelics such as LSD and mescaline, so maybe it's not the best choice...

I'm looking forward for any advice you could give me :smile:

Peace. :grin:


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #19394675 - 01/09/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I would suggest starting low. For me, the higher the dose, the greater the mind fuck :P Also, some people are more easily effected by psychs than others, so until you know how you react, its best to play it safe.

That being said, my first time doing mushrooms I ate my entire 1/8th and I never regretted it :smile: Just make sure you have a good set/setting.


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: Tripsahoy420]
    #19394781 - 01/09/14 05:29 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Here comes a massive mindfuck! :mushroom2:

If you question everything, you gonna have fun with psychedelics :smile: The mind goes crazy, but if you are in good mood with good vibes, you will enjoy the ride to the max!

As Trips above said, start with a safer dose, like 2-3 grams of shrooms if you feel more comfortable that way. Enjoy the ride!


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #19395004 - 01/09/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Suggest testing the water at a lower dose
I think you will be fine...

Don't have expectations... While reading up on psychedelics is a good idea, everyone's experiences are different... So the key is to just let it happen... Go with it... Don't right it, don't try to control it... Just be with it

I also suggest listening to your inner voice... Don't force yourself to trip... If you trip, when you are really ready for the experience... It can be amazing. Forcing yourself is not a great way to start.

Set and setting... More you put into those, the better the experience in my opinion

Just my 2 cents

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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: Tripsahoy420]
    #19395014 - 01/09/14 06:02 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Thanks for your advice!

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AkashicExplorer said:
Here comes a massive mindfuck! :mushroom2:

If you question everything, you gonna have fun with psychedelics :smile: The mind goes crazy, but if you are in good mood with good vibes, you will enjoy the ride to the max!

As Trips above said, start with a safer dose, like 2-3 grams of shrooms if you feel more comfortable that way. Enjoy the ride!




Haha I thought above 2g was already a moderate dose for someone who hasn't tripped yet (in fact I was thinking about starting with max. 2g).
I don't want to get "trapped" in between both states of consciousness if that makes sense, so I think a moderate dose could be a better choice than a low dose. The visuals and other distortions/hallucinations are not the main thing I'm looking for. I'm more interested in the self-exploration aspect and the shut down of perception filters. I'm also curious about the ego-death/dissolution, although I don't think I'm prepared for that yet lol, but I would like to know if fear (i.e to be scared of becoming insane) exists when you reach that level.

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I would suggest starting low. For me, the higher the dose, the greater the mind fuck :P Also, some people are more easily effected by psychs than others, so until you know how you react, its best to play it safe.

That being said, my first time doing mushrooms I ate my entire 1/8th and I never regretted it :smile: Just make sure you have a good set/setting.




That makes a lot of sense to me, but I've heard a lot of people saying that it is easier to let go on medium-high doses, which also makes sense, so I'm a bit confused lol. I think I'm going to start low but not too low (maybe 2g as I said above :grin:).

As for the setting I will choose some very close friends who have some experience in tripping to trip with and maybe ask another sober friend or two to take care of us if things start to get out of control (in a bad sense :grin:).
¿Do you think it will be uncomfortable to be on shrooms around one or two friends who are sober (well, probably stoned, not really sober lol)? When I'm very high on weed, being around sober people usually makes me very self-centered and moderately anxious but I don't think that's going to be a big problem as in this case it will be open-minded and very close friends who will know I'm tripping.

Thanks again!
Good vibes!


Edited by Psychoneironaut (01/09/14 06:06 PM)


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: HarryL]
    #19395070 - 01/09/14 06:12 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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HarryL said:
Suggest testing the water at a lower dose
I think you will be fine...

Don't have expectations... While reading up on psychedelics is a good idea, everyone's experiences are different... So the key is to just let it happen... Go with it... Don't right it, don't try to control it... Just be with it

I also suggest listening to your inner voice... Don't force yourself to trip... If you trip, when you are really ready for the experience... It can be amazing. Forcing yourself is not a great way to start.

Set and setting... More you put into those, the better the experience in my opinion

Just my 2 cents

Peace




Thank you for your advice.

The only problem is that most days my inner voice tells me I'm prepared to take the ride but there is always the fear of the unknown that makes me think twice if I'm really prepared... I guess there is no way to be 100% sure if you're ready or not, but I won't force myself if I don't feel it, that's for sure :wink:


Edited by Psychoneironaut (01/09/14 06:12 PM)


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #19395566 - 01/09/14 07:39 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I think you are well prepared to jump into it but here is some perspective. Start with a one gram trip. It will mostly be a body buzz and will get you use to the low dose effects of the drug. If you freak out on that it won't be that bad and you will have your answers but if you don't it will give you the confidence and experience to go further next time. Shrooms are a journey and there it's a harsh road when you try to run down it no prepared. It also might do nothing and guess what you have a high tolerance and will need a 3 gram trip to start. Good luck and I hope this helps.


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: Danner16]
    #19397245 - 01/10/14 04:06 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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I think you are well prepared to jump into it but here is some perspective. Start with a one gram trip. It will mostly be a body buzz and will get you use to the low dose effects of the drug. If you freak out on that it won't be that bad and you will have your answers but if you don't it will give you the confidence and experience to go further next time. Shrooms are a journey and there it's a harsh road when you try to run down it no prepared. It also might do nothing and guess what you have a high tolerance and will need a 3 gram trip to start. Good luck and I hope this helps.




¿Would 1g be enough to feel anything else than the body buzz? As I said I don't want to go too low with the dose to avoid getting stuck in a state where the trip starts building up but never really does. But then again I don't know how sensitive I am to psylocibin, so 1g could maybe be enough...

Thanks for your wishes :smile:


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #19397377 - 01/10/14 05:24 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Where are you/what shrooms can you acquire?


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19397385 - 01/10/14 05:29 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Also, give this a read:

http://www.shroomery.org/6256/The-Psychedelic-Experience-FAQ

I think it's genuinely the best thing to read to get an idea of exactly what's gonna happen (in some aspects).


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19397398 - 01/10/14 05:36 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I ate an 1/8th first time I done them but I had already had experience with acid at that point quite a few times.. Never really had a super visual trip on shrooms and even on a couple few grams at times in your trip you may have thoughts that you're kinda out of place crazy insane gonna die etc but you just have to let go of your fears and know you'll be back to youin a matter of hours and just to enjoy the feeling for what it is. Avoid mirrors your first trip and I recommen you go in a dark room with mellow music not rap or crap but something chill or maybe techno not sure what you like normally. Friends are okay but even good friends have made small betrayals to you at times and thoughts of these may be exposed through your ego so I recommend one very close friend thats sober and experienced.


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19397399 - 01/10/14 05:37 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Also, give this a read:

http://www.shroomery.org/6256/The-Psychedelic-Experience-FAQ

I think it's genuinely the best thing to read to get an idea of exactly what's gonna happen (in some aspects).




I forgot to mention that haha, I read that too a while ago, it was very helpful :laugh:

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Where are you/what shrooms can you acquire?




I would probably grow my own or ask any friend who grows it's own. I prefer to be sure about what I'm ingesting :wink:


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: Happy Littletree]
    #19397427 - 01/10/14 05:49 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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I ate an 1/8th first time I done them but I had already had experience with acid at that point quite a few times.. Never really had a super visual trip on shrooms and even on a couple few grams at times in your trip you may have thoughts that you're kinda out of place crazy insane gonna die etc but you just have to let go of your fears and know you'll be back to youin a matter of hours and just to enjoy the feeling for what it is. Avoid mirrors your first trip and I recommen you go in a dark room with mellow music not rap or crap but something chill or maybe techno not sure what you like normally. Friends are okay but even good friends have made small betrayals to you at times and thoughts of these may be exposed through your ego so I recommend one very close friend thats sober and experienced.




That seems like very good advice to me, thanks!

¿But couldn't it be possible to get convinced (during the trip), that what you're seeing/experiencing isn't actually something delusional but something you're missing in your sober state of consciousness? I can imagine those kind of thoughts making it difficult to convince myself I'm going to be 100% back to normal after the effects fade away.

I will definitely listen to some psychedelic rock (Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd) and jazz/jazz-fusion.

I kind of feel it would be more comfortable to trip around people (or maybe just one friend as you said) who are tripping too (maybe one who is sober, just in case things start going wrong and one or two friends who are tripping too).

The small betrayals you're talking about could possibly add some bad vibe, but then again it's almost impossible to find a close friend who you haven't had any conflict with. I think it could even be positive that these thoughts come to the surface, in order to solve this little things that get stuck deep within your psyche.


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #19397471 - 01/10/14 06:17 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Dosage is dependent also on the type of shroom itself. E.g liberty caps (my local wild shroom) are like 1.5-2.5x stronger than cubes I believe...

Although at this time of year it's most likely i'd get hold of cubensis if anything.

Happy shrooming friend.


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: teenagehippie]
    #19398717 - 01/10/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Dosage is dependent also on the type of shroom itself. E.g liberty caps (my local wild shroom) are like 1.5-2.5x stronger than cubes I believe...

Although at this time of year it's most likely i'd get hold of cubensis if anything.

Happy shrooming friend.




It's going to be cubes almost for sure :wink:


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #19398784 - 01/10/14 12:25 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

John Hopkins University did a study using varying doses of psilocybin from 5 mg to 30 mg orally administered. At 30 mg, 1/3 of participants experienced extreme fear or anxiety, and had to gently be guided through the experience. This lasted anywhere from a couple of hours to the whole session. These people still found immense benefit from the experience.

At 20 mg, only 1 out of 18 had this experience, and at 10 and 5 mg no one had this reaction. The more mystical experiences will be at higher doses. Psilocybin it was found actually reduces blood flow to the brain. The higher the dose, the more blood flow is reduced. I don't know if they studied the effects of psilocybin on the body overall, but I am interested to know where the blood is going if not the brain.

I believe a dry gram of mushrooms averages between 6 and 12 mg of psilocybin on average.


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: happygolucky]
    #19399331 - 01/10/14 02:05 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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John Hopkins University did a study using varying doses of psilocybin from 5 mg to 30 mg orally administered. At 30 mg, 1/3 of participants experienced extreme fear or anxiety, and had to gently be guided through the experience. This lasted anywhere from a couple of hours to the whole session. These people still found immense benefit from the experience.

At 20 mg, only 1 out of 18 had this experience, and at 10 and 5 mg no one had this reaction. The more mystical experiences will be at higher doses. Psilocybin it was found actually reduces blood flow to the brain. The higher the dose, the more blood flow is reduced. I don't know if they studied the effects of psilocybin on the body overall, but I am interested to know where the blood is going if not the brain.

I believe a dry gram of mushrooms averages between 6 and 12 mg of psilocybin on average.




Very interesting info, ¿could you post the link to the complete study?

I guess I should start somewhere in between 1-2g then, but I'm sure the emotional response (i.e fear or anxiety) depends on a lot of other factors, not only the dose.


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Re: Advice for a first time trip [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #19399467 - 01/10/14 02:39 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Be your own scientist/explorer.
Go with low dose and work your way up to know how you can handle it.
You will learn it, it just takes time and courage.


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