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LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison
#19394396 - 01/09/14 04:08 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Not sure if this has been posted here, but I'll do it anyway.
"Taking LSD might keep criminals out of prison.
A big study of more than 25,000 people under community corrections supervision shows the use of psychedelic drugs like LSD or so-called magic mushrooms leads to reduced recidivism and may help criminals stay out of prison.
This is the first research in 40 years to take a look at whether mind-altering drugs can help reform bad guys.
The researchers at the University of Alabama and Johns Hopkins say this runs counter to the way drugs are legally classified as well as the way they're perceived in society, and that there should be more study into hallucinogenics as treatment."
Read more: http://www.kfiam640.com/articles/local-news-465708/lsd-may-keep-criminals-out-of-11959927/#ixzz2pwgETWh3
Sadly this is more brief than I had expected, & cites the University of Alabama and Johns Hopkins, so I'm sure alot of you know about this already. No additional links in the article either. Feel free to take this down if the full study is up elsewhere 
EDIT: Abstract here; http://jop.sagepub.com/content/28/1/62.abstract?rss=1 Thanks Maito
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Echro]
#19394448 - 01/09/14 04:21 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Interesting and not surprising
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Repertoire89]
#19394459 - 01/09/14 04:24 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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they conducted a study on 25,000 inmates!?! is this real because i feel like this would have gotten a lot more attention and this is my first time hearing of it. i'd like to see some link to the study if anyone has them
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Jesus Christ]
#19394534 - 01/09/14 04:40 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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http://jop.sagepub.com/content/28/1/62.abstract?rss=1
Here's the abstract. I can't find the full study for free,
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Maito]
#19394561 - 01/09/14 04:46 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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wow thanks this should probably be getting a lot of attention soon
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Echro]
#19394565 - 01/09/14 04:46 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison
But does it keep innocent citizens out of prison?
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Synthe]
#19394579 - 01/09/14 04:49 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Synthe said:
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LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison
But does it keep innocent citizens out of prison?
Not if they make or distribute it or carry too much of it
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: GoldenEye]
#19394736 - 01/09/14 05:20 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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This is a really great study. I want to tell everyone this when mushrooms or acid comes up in the conversation.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Echro] 1
#19394972 - 01/09/14 05:57 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I have so many problems with this article and the assumptions it draws from that I won't even begin to voice my opinion over this telephone.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: stzacrack]
#19395095 - 01/09/14 06:15 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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stzacrack said: I have so many problems with this article and the assumptions it draws from that I won't even begin to voice my opinion over this telephone.
. . . but you just did
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Echro]
#19395483 - 01/09/14 07:21 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I'm sorry, but am I the only one that has a problem with the thought of our government administering LSD to "criminals"? The CIA already showed the kind of results we should expect with Project MKULTRA and the like, and this whole concept brings the story of A Clockwork Orange to mind.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: SoundScape] 1
#19395529 - 01/09/14 07:31 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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i think leary and crew performed a study on inmates and besides the fact that it wasn't that strict it did show a significant drop in recidivism. and i dont think MKULTRA was performed on criminals (at least not only criminals) and that was an entirely different and downright evil research project. and this isn't the government performing this study but universities. im not sure on the legitimacy of this study though
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: SoundScape] 1
#19395572 - 01/09/14 07:40 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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SoundScape said: I'm sorry, but am I the only one that has a problem with the thought of our government administering LSD to "criminals"? The CIA already showed the kind of results we should expect with Project MKULTRA and the like, and this whole concept brings the story of A Clockwork Orange to mind.
If the criminals opted for the treatment and the purpose of the test was indeed for the reformation of criminals then I don't see much of a problem with this test. We can't let fear because of past government failings keep us from further testing of psychedelics. The government already knows that using the drug for brainwashing was a bust. This kind of research is the only way we will come any closer to acceptance of the benefits these drugs can have for people.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Echro]
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: s240779]
#19395748 - 01/09/14 08:11 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I guess I'm more worried with the idea of altering peoples minds on such a mass scale in the name of cutting down crime. I don't believe using psychedelics on people will cause latent criminal tendencies to decrease by much for one, but mostly I just think psychedelics can't be controlled in such a way to generate a specific outcome in that way. Even if acid makes criminals stable, I have to wonder if it wouldn't come with it's own set of problems just by fucking with so many peoples neurochemistry.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19395762 - 01/09/14 08:13 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I should have said I won't list all of my apprehensions on this phone.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Echro]
#19396134 - 01/09/14 09:50 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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This is really cool news, and it confirms the studies they did of this in the 60s. Timothy Leary was the guy who first studied this and reported results like these.
What I really want to know is why? Why and how do psychedelics reduce recidivism?
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: nooneman] 1
#19396187 - 01/09/14 10:07 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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nooneman said: What I really want to know is why? Why and how do psychedelics reduce recidivism?
Increased appreciation for freedom and better judgement as a result of that.
Tis guy who appeared in the recent docuemntary 'The Stoned Ages' who spoke about mushrooms put it nicely: they help you come to decisions about ultimate matters of life.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: s240779]
#19396253 - 01/09/14 10:23 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Legalize LSD
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: nooneman]
#19396287 - 01/09/14 10:30 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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nooneman said:
What I really want to know is why? Why and how do psychedelics reduce recidivism?
I've always felt like everyday was valuable and should be milked for what its worth, psychedelics have furthered that feeling.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Repertoire89]
#19396723 - 01/10/14 12:07 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I posted in the publication request thread and will link the full article in here when someone with access responds, should be within 1/2 a day.
I am 99% sure they did NOT administer hallucinogens to 25,000 criminals/inmates. I am guessing it was purely a research survey of 25k people about their own use of hallucinogens by choice. I don't see the government approving actual administration of the drugs without a much larger discussion on the issue and I imagine someone like MAPS would have to put all their resources into getting it approved.
With the exception of Ibogaine I don't know if any hallucinogens that actually alter your mindset enough on their own to change behavior. I imagine what would actually come into play and may be the focus of future studies related to this would be to include psychedelics in prison or post release therapy for inmates. The ability of hallucinogens to allow a person to open up and get into some deep self analyzation could very well be put toward helping criminals really look at why they are choosing to make the decisions they are making and to understand that there may be other options.
A lot of habitual criminals and heavy drug users that resort to crime to feed their habits basically think that their lives are shitty and the rush they get from committing the crimes helps them to escape that shitty life. I imagine many have extreme trouble opening up during any type of therapy they go through and that makes it impossible for them to get to the root of their problems. Adding hallucinogens to therapy sessions could get past that barrier and help them to understand that their lives may not be as bad as they think and more importantly get them to understand that if they are willing to work at it they can improve their situations and mental well being.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Smushroom]
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Very great article. its refreshing. how ever
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Caddilac] 1
#19397137 - 01/10/14 02:52 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I think an end to prohibition would be 100X more effective.
A lot of theft occurs because of the high price of addictive substances.
A lot of armed robbery occurs because of narcotics.
A lot of violence occurs around the trade of narcotics.
The marijuana legalization is a good first step, but not if they regulate supply and drive up price's like they are doing now.
Legalize all narcotic's, allow an open market so prices hit a normalized level, and invest sales tax revenue into minimizing the negatives of people not being able to moderate themselves.
I'm sure hallucinogens could help, but ending prohibition would help more.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: nooneman]
#19397259 - 01/10/14 04:14 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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nooneman said: This is really cool news, and it confirms the studies they did of this in the 60s. Timothy Leary was the guy who first studied this and reported results like these.
He also skewed the data to suit his agenda so it's not an accurate study and should be discredited.
Edited by EastBayRay (01/10/14 04:19 AM)
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: EastBayRay]
#19397326 - 01/10/14 04:58 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Interesting study.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: SoundScape]
#19397522 - 01/10/14 06:42 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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SoundScape said: I guess I'm more worried with the idea of altering peoples minds on such a mass scale in the name of cutting down crime. I don't believe using psychedelics on people will cause latent criminal tendencies to decrease by much for one, but mostly I just think psychedelics can't be controlled in such a way to generate a specific outcome in that way. Even if acid makes criminals stable, I have to wonder if it wouldn't come with it's own set of problems just by fucking with so many peoples neurochemistry.
I´d agree with that: Maybe there´s quite a high percentage of criminals who may think over their lives, and who decide to make a change, to try to control their agressions and all that stuff, in order to become good and righteous citizens. And then there might also be the occasional strange guy who already had a certain kind of damage all his life before, who was in prison because he did some weird stuff because he never fitted in anywhere in society and had been in distress for this reason all his life. What would LSD do to such a person? That could result in anything. Im somehow thinking of Manson-Family-like outcast communities who become stranger and weirder with every trip they take. Or desparate lonely people who have lost too much time and social connections to integrate tehmselves back into society and who start to indulge into a spaced out freak life, behaving in ways that normal people will find more and more disturbing.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Echro]
#19398177 - 01/10/14 10:03 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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i'll have to check out this study once i get home tonight
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Sheekle]
#19398611 - 01/10/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Too bad 80 percent of prison inmates are not in a demographic that use Shrooms or LSD. If you know what I mean.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: my3rdeye]
#19399630 - 01/10/14 03:14 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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my3rdeye said: Too bad 80 percent of prison inmates are not in a demographic that use Shrooms or LSD. If you know what I mean.
Yeah I bet for a lot of those guys it would make things too "real". That is why we need to put it in their food . . .
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: Ritual]
#19400803 - 01/10/14 07:36 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Ritual said: I think an end to prohibition would be 100X more effective.
A lot of theft occurs because of the high price of addictive substances.
A lot of armed robbery occurs because of narcotics.
A lot of violence occurs around the trade of narcotics.
The marijuana legalization is a good first step, but not if they regulate supply and drive up price's like they are doing now.
Legalize all narcotic's, allow an open market so prices hit a normalized level, and invest sales tax revenue into minimizing the negatives of people not being able to moderate themselves.
I'm sure hallucinogens could help, but ending prohibition would help more.
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SoundScape said: I guess I'm more worried with the idea of altering peoples minds on such a mass scale in the name of cutting down crime. I don't believe using psychedelics on people will cause latent criminal tendencies to decrease by much for one, but mostly I just think psychedelics can't be controlled in such a way to generate a specific outcome in that way. Even if acid makes criminals stable, I have to wonder if it wouldn't come with it's own set of problems just by fucking with so many peoples neurochemistry.
I´d agree with that: Maybe there´s quite a high percentage of criminals who may think over their lives, and who decide to make a change, to try to control their agressions and all that stuff, in order to become good and righteous citizens. And then there might also be the occasional strange guy who already had a certain kind of damage all his life before, who was in prison because he did some weird stuff because he never fitted in anywhere in society and had been in distress for this reason all his life. What would LSD do to such a person? That could result in anything. Im somehow thinking of Manson-Family-like outcast communities who become stranger and weirder with every trip they take. Or desparate lonely people who have lost too much time and social connections to integrate tehmselves back into society and who start to indulge into a spaced out freak life, behaving in ways that normal people will find more and more disturbing.
On top of this, I also think about how I would react if I was in the prison system for any siginificant period of time and then taking a good trip. I'd see myself becoming much more disgusted with the environment I'm subjected to and grow more irritated with the government and criminal justice system; essentially I think I'd become more of a criminal in the situation out of spite and self-awareness.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19484950 - 01/28/14 06:31 AM (10 years, 3 days ago) |
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my3rdeye said: Too bad 80 percent of prison inmates are not in a demographic that use Shrooms or LSD. If you know what I mean.
Yeah I bet for a lot of those guys it would make things too "real". That is why we need to put it in their food . . .
I take offense to what you are implying with that statement.
Those guys? What separates you from them?
You're a criminal all the same as hose guys.
I can't believe you people are so blinded by your subjective experience that you believe this to be acceptable.
Did none of you read the artidle posted here stating the percentile of Americans incarcerated/arrested before he .age f 25?
Jeez you people are dense.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: stzacrack]
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my3rdeye said: Too bad 80 percent of prison inmates are not in a demographic that use Shrooms or LSD. If you know what I mean.
Yeah I bet for a lot of those guys it would make things too "real". That is why we need to put it in their food . . .
I take offense to what you are implying with that statement.
Those guys? What separates you from them?
You're a criminal all the same as hose guys.
I can't believe you people are so blinded by your subjective experience that you believe this to be acceptable.
Did none of you read the artidle posted here stating the percentile of Americans incarcerated/arrested before he .age f 25?
Jeez you people are dense.
I cannot believe you would take offense to something that was satire. Jeez you are dense
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: LiquidGlass]
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Jeez I am dense.
I sincerely apologize, my strong feelings on the subject got in the way.
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Re: LSD May Keep Criminals Out Of Prison [Re: stzacrack]
#19485041 - 01/28/14 07:20 AM (10 years, 3 days ago) |
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I think its equally likely that the type of person that uses hallucinogens includes, younger, white males that are generally wealthier (e.g, the typical suburban youth). This group as whole probably has reduced rates of recidivism relative to the others.
There is little data to suggest this is a causal association.
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