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Mites and Mealy Bug
    #19394028 - 01/09/14 02:48 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Hey guys... So, my backyard has been neglected for a while due to other plant-life duties and my Mealy Bug problem has gotten out of control.

It seems that the Mites are gone, for now, since we've been having a decent amount of rain for SoCal this year. Most species of mite hate humidity so that drives them off a bit.

I've sprayed with:

-Azamax (active ingredient: Azadirectin, an extract from Neem Oil)
-Bayer  (active ingredient: imidacloprid. I'm aware it should be used on anything edible and don't plan on eating any of my Lophs any time soon, or at all. I was desperate, seemed to definitely help for the mites)
-Safer 3-in-1 (active ingredient: Sulfur)

The main problem now is the Mealy Bug. I can't get rid of the fuckers. I've heard several members, including nicechrisman talk about how once you seem them in an area, it's very rare to get rid of them entirely.

I do realize I'm probably going to have to do some sort of soil drenching as I've read in the past that Mealy is soil born. Am I going to have to repot every single cactus and inspect the roots of all of them? My collection is pretty massive and I usually repot every other year because it's just too much work. I did it last year so this year I wasn't planning on it.

At this point I don't even care if I have to use something really nasty, even if I suffer minor losses because of it. As long as the fuckers DIE!! I really mate Mealy Bug, they creep me the fuck out.

Thoughts, ideas EGers?


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: theMallacht]
    #19394069 - 01/09/14 02:57 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Please share if you discover a way to eradicate the fuckers.  I have had relative success using isopropl alcohol, but it mostly keeps them under control rather than eradicating them (probably because the hide out in the soil).


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: theMallacht]
    #19394093 - 01/09/14 03:03 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I successfully got rid of a mealy infestation that I inadvertently picked up from some wild opuntias in Austin, TX.  I had to repot most of my collection but it was worth it to make sure they were gone for good.  I bought a few bottles of some organic spray designed to kill mites and mealies on contact and hosed everything down thoroughly before repotting in fresh soil and they have not returned since.  Good luck man, getting infestations like that suck. :thumbdown:


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: SuperD]
    #19394102 - 01/09/14 03:04 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Test 13:
Get some Spiders or Mites?  :sundevil::peyote:

They are much more efficient at finding them, and killing them than I am.

For Christ's sake they have 8 eyes AND 8 legs :confused2:
Humbly, I only have 2 of each.
Not to mention a voracious appetite.



Wholesale use of pesticides kills other life in my garden.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: hookahhead]
    #19394119 - 01/09/14 03:09 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Phytoseiulus persimilis :thumbup:


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: hookahhead]
    #19394160 - 01/09/14 03:17 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I wouldn't mind inviting these into my garden as a preventative measure.  I'm guessing there are places to order them online?  I haven't looked into that yet.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: SuperD]
    #19394202 - 01/09/14 03:23 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Copied from wiki...

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Phytoseiulus is a genus of mites in the Phytoseiidae family.[1] A predatory mite this is the most frequently used mite predator to control two-spotted spider mites in greenhouses and outdoor crops grown in mild environments. Adult females are approximately 0.5 mm long, reddish in color, pear shaped and active at room temperature, Immatures & males are smaller and lighter in color. Eggs are oblong. About 80% are females. At optimum temperatures Phytoseiidae can develop from egg to adult in 7 days and live for up to 1 month. A well-fed female will lay about 50 eggs in her lifetime. Prey consumption is up to 7 adult spider mites or 20 eggs per day.[2] The ecological impact of introducing a foreign organism into a naive biosphere remains untested.




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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: hookahhead]
    #19394219 - 01/09/14 03:26 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I'm not proud of having to resort to pesticides, even organic ones.  But desperate times called for desperate measures.  I had already lost well over $1,000 worth of cacti to the infestation so I had to act fast. :thumbdown: It managed to mangle several of my really nice/expensive specimens.  I'd honestly much rather toss out an infested section of my collection than have to resort to that again.


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I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin. :lol:

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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: SuperD]
    #19394222 - 01/09/14 03:27 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

In my country are lots of companies selling predatory bugs, probably they are best way if infestation are big, but your predators dies fast if they have no enough food..

For me it feel nature have best way to take care of these fuckers..:thumbup:

Also in my climate, if I build greenhouse or use it.. Spiders are first what comes living to greenhouse because hot and moist.. arctic native spiders are spreading like wildfire in greenhouses there.. for my luck there are not even single species of spiders what can even bite a human but every fall I take my cacti away from greenhouse, seems pest have been long gone and best is when I have plants back indoors, they're crawling spiders but they vanish fast when food supply(bugs) end.

About mealies, you can control them, small amount of them doesn't make any harm as long as you don't let them spread like wildfire.. I have seen one big old echinopsis rotten because of mealies..

They are nasty and hard, afaik there are some like to spent time sucking the roots and some above the soil, doesn't know are these same species or not but anyway, if you fight against mealies, probably systemic pesticides are best.

Take your every cacti out of pot. Shake excess soil away. Let plants be 1-2weeks and dry.
After that spray pesticides to every plant dry roots, maybe inspect before that and pick bigger mealybug nests away.

Also change your all soil.. they lay eggs to soil..

I know it's big job but probably necessary to keep mealies in control or vanish them.

One pesticide, one hit wonder I know for mealies are dimethoat but it's highly toxic even for humans, hard to obtain without commercial greenhouse licence, depends on country tho.. I have that pesticide, one watering with it and it lasts weeks and kill all even young new mealies, but two times watering with dimethoat will kill every bug.. Bad side from that poison is, it' so toxic I never suggest to used it outdoors or in greenhouse, it kill bees and even small mammals. but for fuck sake not spider mites, they have became immune to dimethoat for some reason.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: intelligentlife] * 1
    #19394237 - 01/09/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

XLSCG provides a place for predatory mites to survive, maintain, and flourish!  It won't even cause cosmetic damage to your prized specimen.  You see Population Dynamics dictates that communities will rise or fall, depending on the amount of available resources.  All I seek is shelter and a light meal, it's an easy way of life. Are there still disbelievers among us?  I am starting to feel like I am repeating myself a lot, now that were are IN THE NEW AGE.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: hookahhead]
    #19394289 - 01/09/14 03:42 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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hookahhead said:
XLSCG provides a place for predatory mites to survive, maintain, and flourish!  It won't even cause cosmetic damage to your prized specimen.  Are there still disbelievers among us?  I am starting to feel like I am repeating myself a lot, now that were are IN THE NEW AGE.




Mr. Cactus.. Sir.. Sorry to bother.. :cookiemonster:

Ain't that new age thing you say are millions of years old way in nature to keep balance of predators and pray bugs?:sun:

....but you use it in the new age? ..clever!:headbang:


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19394302 - 01/09/14 03:45 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

My cover is blown
:heart: Only here to help :thumbup:
Grow on :vineclimb:


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: hookahhead]
    #19394414 - 01/09/14 04:13 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

:lol: Sometimes the best approach also happens to be the oldest approach. :thumbup:  I understand trying new experiments but there's no need to change what already has worked best for incomprehensible spans of time.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: hookahhead]
    #19395895 - 01/09/14 08:46 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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hookahhead said:
we are IN THE NEW AGE.




:lol: We are indeed sir, we are indeed..

Any pesticide(s) anyone has found to be particularly effective against these bastards? I would think that a good soil flush with the heaviest soil flush amount of Azamax would get 'em but I'm gonna have to mix probably around 5 gals of it and that stuff is expensive.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: theMallacht]
    #19396603 - 01/09/14 11:45 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethoate

This wipe out mealybugs..

However, it's not only "on contact" ..dimethoate are very effective trough watering and work as systemic also and makes your cactus toxic to bugs and small mammals for 3-6weeks. It works by spraying it on the skin of water or if mealies are in the roots, you can water cactus with water few drops of dimethoat poison, it will work, kill every mealies in roots etc.

Bad side is, it will kill bees, spiders, predators, even mammals and fishes and humans have nasty effects from it... I have experienced wrong way use of dimethoate.. It should be used in places where are no humans and use something to protect your eyes and hands, this shit goes trough skin also and I think I have got nasty effects from that when poisoning plants when my hands got water from leaking spray bottle.. I was sick whole day later.. Now I use very cautious this and only indoors when it's winter and I make sure I don't kill any other bugs.

It's widely used at food cultivation, so if you want to use it for san pedro going to be consumed.. Makes sure there is 2months time without this pesticide because it will break up in the plant system.

I can't mention what products have this because these products are not available from shroomery sponsors.

Also I would avoid to use as far as possible.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: theMallacht]
    #19396624 - 01/09/14 11:48 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Imidacloprid should work for the mealies, I use this stuff all the time on ornamental plants and used malathion twice on a few cactus. It's what they generally use commercially and if you're not eating them then I don't see the worry.

A lime sulphur mix will knock the mite population down, it's used on roses for this purpose. Test a few plants first and do it early morning or late in the afternoon to avoid sunburn. Then frequent(2-3 times a week) hosing downs should control over the peak infestation period.

Wait a few weeks for the systemic to work then you can re pot into fresh mix. In the meantime look for something to mix up with the imidacloprid so you don't get a resistant population.

Nice to see you around the garden again.:sun:


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: karode13]
    #19396671 - 01/09/14 11:57 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Imidacloprid sounds it's one compound I have in "dimethoate" poison.

It's blue liquid, smell very bad, only 3-5 drop/Liter works to wipe out lots of bugs.

I think the poison I have are combination of many insectisides. Bottle doesn't tell much, I don't know the language of it.:lol:

But I have got the poison from commercial grower, send it to me.. Advice same time to use it careful. It's friend of mine.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19396676 - 01/09/14 11:58 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethoate




Wow from your own experience, that sounds like some very dangerous and nasty stuff to be playing with.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: SuperD]
    #19396714 - 01/10/14 12:05 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Imidacloprid sounds it's one compound I have in "dimethoate" poison.







No. Dimethoate is the name of the chemical inside your poison. Imidacloprid is another chemical. They're never mixed together.

Post a picture of your label if you want me to try and figure out what you have, then you can read about it. I work with plant poisons/chemicals daily.




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SuperD said:
Wow from your own experience, that sounds like some very dangerous and nasty stuff to be playing with.





They've recently banned it down here. It isn't good for you.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: karode13]
    #19396818 - 01/10/14 12:31 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Quote:

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Imidacloprid sounds it's one compound I have in "dimethoate" poison.







No. Dimethoate is the name of the chemical inside your poison. Imidacloprid is another chemical. They're never mixed together.

Post a picture of your label if you want me to try and figure out what you have, then you can read about it. I work with plant poisons/chemicals daily.


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Wow from your own experience, that sounds like some very dangerous and nasty stuff to be playing with.





They've recently banned it down here. It isn't good for you.




I know it's banned, it's so effective and nasty it will wipe all bugs, only spider mites are immune to it.

I know dimethoate is compound single chemical.. I mean't I have maybe combination pesticide bottle.

Sorry I write bad English. You understand wrong, I'm sure I know chemicals good. English isn't just my native language, so I wrote you understand my words wrong.

I can show picture from pesticide I have with dimethoat.. It's blue color, smell VERY BAD, fumes cause bad effects to human etc.

Air circulation have to be good and after sprayed of pesticide need to be get out of the room.

As I said, I have obtain dimethoate with good advice from guy who have very big peyote nursery. It's effective, problem is it cannot be used without proper knowledge of the poison.

I have reduced to use dimethoate lots.. Only when I use it if I buy new plant, find it have mealies, I put them to closed room, spray them with dimethoate and don't go there because of fumes.. Also I use rubber gloves and eye protection to make sure it doesn't go in to my system trough skin or eyes.

How strong poison I dimethoate I have I can tell this: 1mL of liquid are enough for 10-20m2(square meter) greenhouse to kill bugs and I basically use it without license. But it's last radical way to use and only my last opinion or if I buy new infected plants, I will isolate them from my garden and "purifty" the isolated new plants with dimethoate.

Soon I stop using it because never move plants with dimethoate in them to greenhouse. It's nasty stuff.

And sorry I mix about, my product doesn't have Imidacloprid at all, Only dimethoat. Imidacloprid is another insectiside I have been used.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: karode13]
    #19396827 - 01/10/14 12:32 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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I work with plant poisons/chemicals daily.






Look friends!  Smart people you know and love are being put at risk daily.  I would hate to lose karode13 to unnecessary death or disease.  Brought on by something that POISONS LIFE (not as fun to say as LEXICON, which is kinda the opposite)  Change your ways, change OUR world.  karode13 I :heart: YOU!


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If someone doesn't want your LIGHT, shine it some where else.  Everyday there are people who LOVE, ACCEPT, and LOOK FORWARD to making CONTACT with you.  YOU are capable of GREAT THINGS even if you feel neglected or mistreated in OUR current SPACE.  Change your ways, change our WORLD, there is SAFTEY in NUMBERS.  Welcome to the PRESENT. ~ 144,000 Anonymous Voices

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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: karode13]
    #19396898 - 01/10/14 12:50 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Imidacloprid should work for the mealies, I use this stuff all the time on ornamental plants and used malathion twice on a few cactus. It's what they generally use commercially and if you're not eating them then I don't see the worry.

A lime sulphur mix will knock the mite population down, it's used on roses for this purpose. Test a few plants first and do it early morning or late in the afternoon to avoid sunburn. Then frequent(2-3 times a week) hosing downs should control over the peak infestation period.

Wait a few weeks for the systemic to work then you can re pot into fresh mix. In the meantime look for something to mix up with the imidacloprid so you don't get a resistant population.




Good advice, thanks karode. Yeah, I figured that Imidacloprid would do it too... I probably just wasn't consistent enough with it. Gotta kill off all the lifecycles and all that. I'm going to use that and probably make a light soil drenching of Azamax, as I know it is pretty effective on soil born stuff. I used it to get rid of Thrips one time, I had the soil born kind and they kept coming back in flushes like crazy. Two good flushings with Azamax and I've never seen them back again, good stuff.

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Nice to see you around the garden again.:sun:




Thanks man. It's good having the time to post again, instead of working my ass off all the time.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: hookahhead]
    #19396914 - 01/10/14 12:53 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

:lol:

Don't worry. I only use what I need to and am always looking at more eco friendly and less toxic chemicals to use. I'm a constant pain in my employers arse when it comes to the chemicals we use.


@intelligentlife: I was just making sure you knew what you had so you are safe.:smile:


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: theMallacht]
    #19396933 - 01/10/14 12:58 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

For the record, and to save my self from looking like more of a fool,  :courtjester:
Hookah is not entirely against synthetic, but prefer that if you are going to use them that you are educated in their use. 
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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: hookahhead]
    #19396951 - 01/10/14 01:04 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Well yeah, as far as insecticides go if it's organic it usually means it doesn't work very well, or work at all. Azamax is sort of organic, it's made from an extract of the Neem plant, but Imida definitely is synthetic. Super effective though, that's what I typically use on anything I'm not going to eat, roses and other ornamental plants.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: theMallacht]
    #19396963 - 01/10/14 01:09 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Good advice, thanks karode. Yeah, I figured that Imidacloprid would do it too... I probably just wasn't consistent enough with it. Gotta kill off all the lifecycles and all that. I'm going to use that and probably make a light soil drenching of Azamax, as I know it is pretty effective on soil born stuff. I used it to get rid of Thrips one time, I had the soil born kind and they kept coming back in flushes like crazy. Two good flushings with Azamax and I've never seen them back again, good stuff.



Thanks man. It's good having the time to post again, instead of working my ass off all the time.





I work too much as well so understand. My posting suffers for it as I don't have the time to study like I used to. Or too much drama when I'm too tired for it.:rolleyes:  :lophcrankey:  :cactusrage:  :bongload::thumbup:  :sun:


Would probably pay to use the systemic for the growing season duration. Re apply as directed. The active in Azamax is great, it's sold down here under the trade name Vertimec and I got hold of some to trial on buxus hedges for Two spotted mites. Works so well and has made my life easier. Got some for the cactus but haven't needed it yet.






@hookah: I'm not a fan either but when an established collection/crop is at critical risk of dying because of mass infestation you need to pull out the bigger guns first. To prevent this you need to intergrate a pest management program to suit your garden and your wants, ie: synthetic vs. organic, little bit of damage vs. no damage etc...

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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: karode13]
    #19396974 - 01/10/14 01:17 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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@intelligentlife: I was just making sure you knew what you had so you are safe.:smile:




I have got advice from person who have grown cacti in nursery from 70's how to use dimethoate.

Just said I made mistake one time and therefor now I protect my self good when I use this poison.

Also my family are farmers, grow food for cows need to feed 9months in years with crop they have from fields. They use also pesticides even I am not big fan of this.. They have to do it because we are so north.. only 3months time to grow 9months worth of hay stacks for cows what produce milk to grocery stores.

I have seen lots of agriculture chemicals and fertilizers at big scale to keep agriculture running year around.. 9months indoors, 3months outdoors.

There cow's eat only natural grass.. When they're out, they eat grass and plants from field.. They are not feed with any other shit like elsewhere.. But fertilizing the big fields, and make sure short summer harvest are success, chemicals are need obviously, it's fking expensive if harvest of hay stacks goes wrong and animals can't be fed over 9months..

Winter's are here very long, dark and hard.. But I know these animals doesn't eat anything else than they naturally eat.. No corn or excess antibiotics etc.. Half organic way or milk production.. And yes, these cows are very healthy and fine.. :thumbup: What I have seen big commercial animal growing factories, it makes me sad... My family goes all way organic and feed cows only with hay and summer time they eat grass at field what is not fertilized, they fertilize the fields on their own poop for next year.. But food fields are fertilized with chemicals and used pesticides what break away when it's harvest time after 3months.

But my family doesn't use dimetoate in agriculture.

Only I use it for ornament plants and very randomly.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19396987 - 01/10/14 01:24 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Carry on then.:thumbup: Personally I would find a less toxic chemical.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: karode13]
    #19397051 - 01/10/14 02:01 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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A lime sulphur mix will knock the mite population down, it's used on roses for this purpose. Test a few plants first and do it early morning or late in the afternoon to avoid sunburn. Then frequent(2-3 times a week) hosing downs should control over the peak infestation period.





Could you please elaborate on this? I'm always on the lookout for safer ways of dealing with RSM.

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used malathion twice on a few cactus.




Can you still get this down under? It's been banned for ages on Europe, worked like a charm but turned your collection into a sort of fallout zone...
Well, since you work in the industry maybe you have access that the general public doesn't have.

I've been using dimethoate (Bayer's Perfekthion, if you want to know), it deals with RSM and I haven't seen a mealie in ages.

One thing that may be important to know is that citrus trees are an excellent source of mealies and oleander bushes / trees provide ample supplies of RSM as well.


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    #19397561 - 01/10/14 06:57 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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A lime sulphur mix will knock the mite population down, it's used on roses for this purpose. Test a few plants first and do it early morning or late in the afternoon to avoid sunburn. Then frequent(2-3 times a week) hosing downs should control over the peak infestation period.





Could you please elaborate on this? I'm always on the lookout for safer ways of dealing with RSM.

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used malathion twice on a few cactus.




Can you still get this down under? It's been banned for ages on Europe, worked like a charm but turned your collection into a sort of fallout zone...
Well, since you work in the industry maybe you have access that the general public doesn't have.

I've been using dimethoate (Bayer's Perfekthion, if you want to know), it deals with RSM and I haven't seen a mealie in ages.

One thing that may be important to know is that citrus trees are an excellent source of mealies and oleander bushes / trees provide ample supplies of RSM as well.




How your Dimethoat kill RSM?

My product also obtained from europe contains dimethoat doesn't seems to work to RSM.. Every other bug it will kill as one shot wonder..

What kind of dosages you use? I have pure 30mL bottle of pure blue liquid, only few drops are enough to spray my collection..

If dimethoate kill RSM, what amounts you have been used? Or do I have RSM population immune to dimethoate?

One way I try to keep RSM in control, because they come always indoors at winter.. I start spraying foliage plants at fall, also I cut most foliage away from rose plants and everything what "collects" RSM lots. Seems this winter RSM attack have been very small because I have been kept chili plants alive and cut every big foliage away and also every other plant aswell. And still I spray them daily with water, sometimes with few drops of dimethoat but I should stop using it soon because they go to greenhouse and I don't want to kill spiders. I have now 5months time before I can move plants to greenhouse.. If weather are good and I find the good way to heat my greenhouse, maybe I can move my plants to greenhouse in 4-4,5 months.

Last winter I notice chili and every foliage plants "collect" RSM and they spread to cacti very fast, now I have things more under control, also I keep foliage plants away from cacti but this winter I have not seen RSM in foliage plants nor cacti, only few cacti have some scarring.

OR do your product contains something else with dimethoate?

Interesting since I have find out dimethoate isn't working so much to RMS and also I have informed some RMS populations are immune to dimethoate.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19397605 - 01/10/14 07:09 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I use Bayer Perfekthion at a dosage of (if I can recall correctly) 0.7ml / l. This Australian (the first I could find on Google in english language) leaflet says it all.



I hope that when you say "a few drops" it's just a figure of speech. You should really use this kind of things according to the instructions, or else you will be immunizing the little fu****s.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: LSoares]
    #19397685 - 01/10/14 07:38 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Neem makes short work of RSM I find. I haven't resorted to other chemicals for mites in a while now. Nice and safe, and no immunity/resistance issues to contend with further down the line.
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    #19397714 - 01/10/14 07:46 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Neem makes short work of RSM I find.




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    #19397843 - 01/10/14 08:32 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I have find neem also very good but I have hard time to use it directly to lophophora..

Other species can tolerate more neem contact.. Because I have there over growing season 24hours of light, seems neem just ruin lophophora skin.. Only way is probably move them to dark and use it..

I have used neem as systemic and seems there is some results, but however pure water and humidity increase seems to work good for me.. Now I have big RSM infection in any plant, maybe few peyote have them but not too much I can't control them..

As maybe someone have seen picture how bad damage I have caused to peyote with neem and light, more worse than RSM scarring.. :lol::lol:


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19397936 - 01/10/14 09:06 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

How about synthetic pesticides at a diluted rate? I mean if synthetics are soooo bad, but they are way more effective than organic methods, whats to say we couldnt dilute a synthetic pesticide to make a little more safe? I dont know im high as fuck.  Thank you very much mallacht.:stoned:


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19398026 - 01/10/14 09:29 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Has anyone here considered Weak Nicotine Solutions?  I know seeds are EASY and FREE to come by...  I personally don't care for that plant, but still respect it.  Many early SYNTHETIC pesticides were ANALOGUES of nicotine.

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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: hookahhead]
    #19398029 - 01/10/14 09:30 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Has anyone here considered Weak Nicotine Solutions?  I know seeds are EASY and FREE to come by...  I personally don't care for that plant, but still respect it.  Many early SYNTHETIC pesticides were ANALOGUES of nicotine.

Or there is this method.  :pedropussy:




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    #19398068 - 01/10/14 09:39 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

And garlic!  Who would have THOUGHT, concentrated plant extracts might contain NATURAL PESTICIDES..

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    #19398074 - 01/10/14 09:40 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

or send this guy over to your house to scare them off:laugh2:



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    #19398087 - 01/10/14 09:43 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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    #19398109 - 01/10/14 09:47 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I'm sorry,I just could not resist!I'm so bad:hehehe:


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: LSoares]
    #19400466 - 01/10/14 06:01 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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A lime sulphur mix will knock the mite population down, it's used on roses for this purpose. Test a few plants first and do it early morning or late in the afternoon to avoid sunburn. Then frequent(2-3 times a week) hosing downs should control over the peak infestation period.





Could you please elaborate on this? I'm always on the lookout for safer ways of dealing with RSM.





Like I said it's used on roses mostly as a way to control fungal issues and to control pests when you prune, or you spray in Winter to clean up any pests. It's usually sold as a concentration in most garden centres down here, I'd imagine if they grow roses where you are then it would be available. It does stink though, think rotten eggs.

Wettable sulfur by itself will do the trick. Sulfur is a natural miticide.

I would test your plants before going nuts with it. It can burn new foliage on roses.

Googling Lime sulfur for roses will tell you a lot more.

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used malathion twice on a few cactus.




Can you still get this down under? It's been banned for ages on Europe, worked like a charm but turned your collection into a sort of fallout zone...
Well, since you work in the industry maybe you have access that the general public doesn't have.

I've been using dimethoate (Bayer's Perfekthion, if you want to know), it deals with RSM and I haven't seen a mealie in ages.

One thing that may be important to know is that citrus trees are an excellent source of mealies and oleander bushes / trees provide ample supplies of RSM as well.





Yes, certain plants attract spider mites and other pests like whitefly. Good to have a few indicator plants around so you know when the real bad pests are active. My indicator plants are Salvia and Brugmansia, guaranteed to get attacked by mites and whitefly.

As for access to agrichemicals, I'm licensed but I do stock up/horde chemicals when I hear they're withdrawing them. Always smart to have a few old tricks up the sleeve.


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    #19400664 - 01/10/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

  
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pests, they are scale-like insect coated with a powdery mealy waxy secretion; that feed on plant juices and are destructive especially for greenhouse ornamentals, succulents and fruit trees.   Mealy bugs (or woolly aphid) are certainly the worst and more common insect that attack cactus and succulents, They can live on the plant or on the roots in the soil and are capable of very rapidly killing large specimens. Mealy bugs belongs - like other scale insect - to the Coccoidea superfamily and reproduce very rapidly laying their eggs underneath a cotton-like elliptical covering so they can consequently attain large numbers and also quickly acquire resistance to pesticides. They are small (about 1-3mm) and have a characteristic loose, hairy and waxy cover used to build their nests (depending on the species) and retain well-developed legs and thus remain mobile, even as adults, unlike most other scale insects. 
This means that they can easily spread and infect neighbor plants! 
They return over and over again. In addition many different species are found on cacti  (mostly the citrus mealy bug = Pseudococcus (Planococcus) citri) Mealy bugs are polyphagous and are known to inject toxins into the epidermis and spread pathogens and viruses. Plants like Asclepiads are known to be easily infested with root mealybug and by the time you have noticed the infestation it is too late. Root mealybug attack the roots just below the level of the soil, especially where the root and the stem meet.
 :No parts are of the plant are immune to their attack. The infested plant appears covered with small insects, distinguished by a grey/white cotton-wool type spot or covering, and so difficult to see among the spines of cacti, mostly hidden at the base of the plant at soil level, or accumulate to feed on the tender tissues at or near the growing point.Nests appear like a tuft of small waxy filaments (fluff like).Plant surface are covered with sticky colourless drops, better known as honeydewFrequently a  sooty Mould (black mould) forms onhoneydew secretion on the plant surfaces.Infested plants will stop growing, take on a sickly appearance with distorted stem and grow point deformation and start to shrivel.A crushed mealy bug leaves a characteristic red stain.Leaves are reduced in size, discoloured, wilted and easily drop prematurely.Regular visit of ants. Ants breed and protect  mealy bugs for their honeydew secretions and may help to spread them through the collection, so to discourage any invading ants even though they are not harmful to the plants.Weakened plants often succumb to fungi and rot.A particular species of mealy bug attacks the roots of cacti. This form will be seen as white patches on the roots when repotting a plant. If a plant is unaccountably sick and not growing, take it out of its pot and examine the roots. Sometimes also hidden at the outer side of the pots, at the underside of the border.
 

 

Some people manage to control and get rid of them but in other collections they seem to last forever. In fact their waxy and woolly covering make difficult for contact insecticides to penetrate to the insect. They seems also able to lay dormant on inert material for considerable periods of time breaking out when conditions become favourable.


An infested plant of Agave

Black Sooty Mould  forms onhoneydew secretion.

Ants "farm"  mealy bugs for their honeydew secretions


It is easier to keep mealy bugs out of a collection of cacti and succulents than to control them once they are in so it is a very good idea to quarantine new plants to see that they are not introducing pests. As always, examine new plants before adding them to the existing collection. Mealy bugs are visible without any additional help. Root mealy bugs also seem to prefer peat-based mixtures to soil-based composts, although not exclusively.


When infestation is not severe it is possible to patiently picking mealy bugs off with tweezers. If there are not that many it is possible picking them off or spraying them off with a jet of warm water otherwise chemical control is unavoidable. Prune or cut the parts where infestation is severe. Pruning is a job which should be executed at sufficient distance from the collection if possible. Watch the wind direction, eggs and first generation nymphs can cover great distances when catched by a breeze!

 
Before applying insecticides/pesticides, manual removal of the fluffy nests and most insects is advisable. It greatly increases the chance on complete elimination of the bugs.

 - It is essential that the mealy bug is killed promptly but the cotton-wool cover can repel any insecticide sprayed onto it, so often a wetting agent in the insecticide spray is required. The normal way of attacking the mealy bug is to use a contact insecticide  such as malathion (not for Crassulaceae) or systemic insecticide  usually based on a organophosphorus compound ( dimethoate is often recommended) While these can be quite effective many strains of mealy bug have built up some resistance to these and it may be necessary to try more than one type for effective control! Some insecticide such as one containing Malathion can be painted on with a fine brush, kept especially for this purpose. For large or widespread infestations, use regular applications (weekly for several weeks) A single application will often not be sufficient to eliminate all the insects and their young. Before spraying be sure that plant has been well watered a day prior to treating. This will decrease the risk of chemically burning your cactus. Good hygiene is important as mealy bugs love to hide under dead leaves or flowers or other places where you and your insecticide spray cannot reach. In a bad case, total immersion of the plant in a bucket of insecticide will get the majority of the mealy bugs including root mealy bugs. - Remove all soil and destroy it. Wash the roots thoroughly and treat (eventually immerging the whole plant) with the above mentioned insecticide, letting the roots dry after treatment and before replanting in completely fresh, sterilized soil. Always cleanse and sterilize frames and all other items used when replanting. Regular applications (weekly for several weeks) of insecticide watered into the soil are also effective, it's also possible to immerse the plant pot up to the top of the soil in a bucket of insecticide.

  Some fumigant smoke are effective against mealy bugs, and have the advantage of being a dry treatment, but require repeated use to be really effective.  Fumigation are particularly useful  the Spring and Autumn when it is too cold to spray or water the plants with systemic insecticide. As a preventative measure, moth balls (paradichlorobenzene) added to the potting mix seem to discourage infestation by root mealy bug, and probably discourages other insects. However, the chemicals in the moth balls can cause damage to plastic plant pots and are best used with clay pots. 




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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19401912 - 01/11/14 12:37 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

How about yellow sulphur powder obtained from pharmacy.. I asked it for greenhouse use but rarely used it because I dare to damage my plants with sulphur, also it's very hard to spread around cactus.

Can I mix it to water and spray? How many milligram or gram sulphur I need in to 1Liter of water?

Afaik there is different sulphur powders around, I have something yellow buy'd from pharmacy. It was cheap 1,05€/5grams of it.


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Re: Mites and Mealy Bug [Re: karode13]
    #19402360 - 01/11/14 04:39 AM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Like I said it's used on roses mostly as a way to control fungal issues and to control pests when you prune, or you spray in Winter to clean up any pests. It's usually sold as a concentration in most garden centres down here, I'd imagine if they grow roses where you are then it would be available. It does stink though, think rotten eggs.

Wettable sulfur by itself will do the trick. Sulfur is a natural miticide.

I would test your plants before going nuts with it. It can burn new foliage on roses.

Googling Lime sulfur for roses will tell you a lot more.

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used malathion twice on a few cactus.




Can you still get this down under? It's been banned for ages on Europe, worked like a charm but turned your collection into a sort of fallout zone...
Well, since you work in the industry maybe you have access that the general public doesn't have.

I've been using dimethoate (Bayer's Perfekthion, if you want to know), it deals with RSM and I haven't seen a mealie in ages.

One thing that may be important to know is that citrus trees are an excellent source of mealies and oleander bushes / trees provide ample supplies of RSM as well.





Yes, certain plants attract spider mites and other pests like whitefly. Good to have a few indicator plants around so you know when the real bad pests are active. My indicator plants are Salvia and Brugmansia, guaranteed to get attacked by mites and whitefly.

As for access to agrichemicals, I'm licensed but I do stock up/horde chemicals when I hear they're withdrawing them. Always smart to have a few old tricks up the sleeve.




Thanks, mate. :thumbup:


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