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Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes
    #19392576 - 01/09/14 07:52 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes

One man's body was literally smoking as he staggered down a residential street after an explosion in his illicit home lab

The New Year started with a bang—and burned flesh—for two Seattle-area potheads.

Roommates Robby Meiser and Bruce Mark were using butane to turn a stash of marijuana into hash oil when the gas ignited in their Kirkland, Washington, apartment. The subsequent explosion destroyed two homes and left both men hospitalized with scorched upper bodies.

The pair are actually among the lucky ones. In the week since the Jan. 1 blast, mishaps while making the heady goo have left a Hawaii man dead, a dude in Fresno, Calif., with second- and third-degree burns over 80 percent of his body, and an apartment complex in San Diego with $1.2 million in damage.

Hash oil’s potent trail of seared skin and annihilated homes shows no signs of slowing down in 2014, giving the mayhem long associated with meth labs a run for its money. Dozens of dope-smoking enthusiasts are paying a steep price trying to sap a better high from weed. And the carnage underscores an unintended consequence that’s accompanied the loosening of marijuana laws for medical and recreational use.

“We’ve been very fortunate that nobody has been killed,” said Jeff Satur, a police commander in Longmont, Colorado. The town, about 15 miles north of Boulder, dealt with its first hash oil explosion in 2012 when a man tried to smoke a cigarette while using butane to extract THC from pot. He nearly blew himself to smithereens.

Last month, Longmont police responded to reports of a man whose body was literally smoking as he staggered down a residential street, Satur said. It turned out that the victim, Benjamin Callahan, and a buddy had detonated a nearby garage that they converted into an illicit lab. Callahan was trying to bolt from the smoldering scene when cops found him. After two days in a burn unit, he fled the state to avoid arson and reckless endangerment charges. There’s now a warrant for his arrest.

Others have been far less fortunate. Two 23-year-olds in Livermore, California, faced murder charges in 2012 after a man inside their apartment blew himself up while cooking hash oil. Evan Aviles and Lexie Hutson, who were also severely burned in the accident, later pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter and to being an accessory, respectively. Aviles is serving a three-year stretch in state prison. Hutson would not return multiple requests for comment.

“We took this case extremely seriously,” said Teresa Drenick, a prosecutor for the Alameda County District Attorney’s Office. “Not only did they put their lives in danger, but of those living in adjacent homes.”

In nearly all cases, the explosion victims used butane, a flammable solvent, to extract hash oil from marijuana. Typically, people fill a canister with pot and use butane to strip away the psychotropic plant oils. They then cook off the solvent by boiling the oil in a hot-water bath. Unfortunately, many folks produce the oil indoors where poor ventilation can cause explosions. The problem has become so persistent that the U.S. Fire Administration—a division of FEMA—published a brief memo on hash oil explosions last year.

Despite the dangers, cooking hash oil continues to surge in popularity. Dozes of DIY and how-to videos dot the Internet. States like Oregon, Washington and Colorado, which allow medical or recreational marijuana use, either permit or do not explicitly prohibit users from converting pot into the sticky substance. Perhaps most importantly, hash oil gets you fucking stoned. Containing 15 to 30 percent THC, a few drops can get you as ripped as a joint.

“Basically, it’s a whole lot stronger than normal weed,” said one Oregon man who lost his best friend, his fingers, half his flesh and the use of his right hand in a hash oil explosion. “I’m not scientist, but that’s why I did it.”

The man (who spoke candidly with Vocativ on the condition that his name be withheld) had extracted oil from pot plants several times prior to the blast that rocked his neighborhood outside of Portland, Oregon, last May.

One minute, he was in his garage and clutching a butane torch while the friend assisted him with the cook. The next, a powerful explosion triggered by a furnace pilot light hurled him through the garage door. Covered from head to toe in flames, the man began rolling around in his front yard. Then he realized his friend was still inside the garage.

“And the whole entire thing was a fireball,” he said. Still, he ran back into the garage and dragged his friend out of the burning rubble. The friend died in a hospital 18 days later.

As for the man, he spent six weeks in a medically induced coma while doctors performed a dozen operations on his charred body. He then spent another six weeks at the Rehabilitation Institute of Oregon.

Today, grafted skin covers his entire body from the waist up, he said. He lost his sweat glands and the use of his right hand. He and his girlfriend lost everything in their home from the explosion. His medical bills are $1.3 million.

The man said he has zero interest in ever making hash oil again.

“I hate to call myself a fucking idiot, but I guess I learned the hard way,” he said.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19392758 - 01/09/14 09:13 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Actually did this myself. Hot water bath wasn't working outside because our source of heat wasn't strong enough in the winter. We brought a pan of butane in and did it on the stove. The butane gasses pool by the ground (even though we had doors and windows open) and when the compressor on the fridge turned on, it produced a spark and ignited the fumes. It created a  temporary vacuum which sealed the door to the room.

I grabbed the pan off the stove, poured liquid flaming butane all over the front of my body and moved it several stems towards the door. Then my friends burst through the door and another friend grabbed the pan and carried it the rest of the way out.

We lost our eyebrows/eyelashes and had fairly severe burns up our arms/hands and neck but didn't need skin grafts.

At the hospital they gave us pain killers, pulled off the skin, and covered us in a cold soothing lotion called flamosine. I had to go back daily and submerge my arms in a saline water bath whirl pool which gracefully and painlessly pulled most of the "crap" and scab and flakey skin on my arms and then reapplied flamosine and rapped me up.

Fairly minor harm to the house - just needed to be painted. Had a very understanding friends mother upstairs...

We were really really lucky, considering the amount of butane we had and material we were processing.

I was shamefully ignorant and inconsiderate as a young man.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: PDU]
    #19392778 - 01/09/14 09:20 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

:eek:


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19392873 - 01/09/14 09:50 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I have done lots of hash oil with butane or acetone.. Never happened anything bad.

I have done also more harder extractions but however, this kind of accidents have been happened in my country also in there Europe.

One explosion was so big whole concrete wall of apartment have been moved 10inches outside caused by explosion of butane. But for some reason no one have been injured in that apartment.

I don't know why some people doesn't just understand how dangerous this can be.. OR doesn't research enough about these solvents.

One friend of mine got acetone exploded in tray when he used too much heat and therefor acetone exploded and apartment kitchen catch fire.

This tek to extract hash oil is basically simple but dangerous if "cook" doesn't understand what they're doing with solvent and what's temperature can ignite the solvent to fire.:sad:

Sad stories.. I have myself big burn injuries but not because of any illegal lab explosion tho.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: intelligentlife] * 2
    #19392943 - 01/09/14 10:07 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

There should be a universal hash oil blasting safety hand book or something.. This type of stuff is what gives us a bad name. When the world hears about some retard smoking a cigarette while blasting solvents INDOORS, they assume we are all like that, and that we are all idiots. People who are doing things unsafely are giving us dabbers, and oil makers a horrible reputation to the general public who has no knowledge of hash oil making. All of a sudden they hear " some fucking retard killed himself making weed into better weed " That is just going to turn the close minded marijuana haters into even more of one. Please for the love of god if your gunna make oil do it right..


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: intelligentlife] * 3
    #19392947 - 01/09/14 10:08 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Anybody that does this fucking deserves it. Go outside you retards! All this negative publicity is not helping people's views on cannabis.

Better yet, buy some fucking bubble bags and an ice maker! Water and ice aren't flammable!


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: FungiJB]
    #19392953 - 01/09/14 10:09 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Just smoke weed or make hash or edibles. Or get a CO2 extraction machine. Shit.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: happygolucky] * 1
    #19393012 - 01/09/14 10:25 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Since it is legal in CO and WA why not just have industrial hash oil making facilities? Industry can work safely, or fairly safely, with flammable and dangerous chemicals. I am sure a method can be devised to do it all with automated equipment. How many people get hurt during rocket fuel processing? Shit is blowing up because you can't follow basic safety procedures in a kitchen or garage.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: my3rdeye] * 2
    #19393083 - 01/09/14 10:47 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Keep in mind that the illegality of it, drives the process behind closed doors.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: PDU] * 1
    #19393100 - 01/09/14 10:52 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Keep in mind that the illegality of it, drives the process behind closed doors.




The only point that I have to make is that any danger associated with making hash oil is solely the fault of prohibition. Shit should be done on an industrial grade in controlled environments

Glad I'm not the first or second person to point this out


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #19393341 - 01/09/14 11:42 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Anyone who doesn't have basic lab safety skills doesn't need to be doing this kind of thing. Especially since most people use butane, which is damn near as bad as ether.

All hash oil making TEKs I've seen stress safety. If you're not smart enough, or don't have a place, to at least evap in front of a window with a fan, you should just smoke pot. I've been making oil for over a decade now and I've never had a fire, because I take precautions and listen to the safety warnings.

This is one reason I use acetone. It's very slightly safer.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #19393594 - 01/09/14 12:45 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Perhaps most importantly, hash oil gets you fucking stoned. Containing 15 to 30 percent THC, a few drops can get you as ripped as a joint.

“Basically, it’s a whole lot stronger than normal weed,” said one Oregon man who lost his best friend, his fingers, half his flesh and the use of his right hand in a hash oil explosion. “I’m not scientist, but that’s why I did it.”
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15-30 percent? That's some SHITTY oil the author is  dabbing. I doubt oil that weak even exists.  Nobody would smoke oil that bad.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: SeascapeShroomerGT] * 1
    #19393730 - 01/09/14 01:31 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Perhaps most importantly, hash oil gets you fucking stoned. Containing 15 to 30 percent THC, a few drops can get you as ripped as a joint.

“Basically, it’s a whole lot stronger than normal weed,” said one Oregon man who lost his best friend, his fingers, half his flesh and the use of his right hand in a hash oil explosion. “I’m not scientist, but that’s why I did it.”
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15-30 percent? That's some SHITTY oil the author is  dabbing. I doubt oil that weak even exists.  Nobody would smoke oil that bad.



:lol:

Good bud is 15-30% THC.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: SeascapeShroomerGT]
    #19393735 - 01/09/14 01:33 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

What's the difference between hash oil & wax dabs? Semantic slang? Cause I know wax is processed with butane.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Echro]
    #19393789 - 01/09/14 01:48 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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What's the difference between hash oil & wax dabs? Semantic slang? Cause I know wax is processed with butane.



It's all different terms for BHO (butane hash oil), which is the "official" name. "Wax", "Crumble", "Oil", "Shatter" depict the consistency of the product which can range from solid (shatter) to oily (oil) or other various consistencies.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Synthe]
    #19394051 - 01/09/14 02:53 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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There should be a universal hash oil blasting safety hand book or something





That does not mean people will listen to it. You should not do it inside no matter what. And someone with an apartment usually does not have a backyard so they try to improvise some way to do it inside



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If you're not smart enough, or don't have a place, to at least evap in front of a window with a fan, you should just smoke pot




Not the smartest idea. And while I am a glassblower and a have a very extensive exhaust system set up and have done it twice inside at the bench, I would probably never do it again. Fans are electric devices perfectly capable of creating a spark needed to ignite. Just because you did it safely countless times, it only takes one spark to fuck your shit up. Even static electricity from your body . . .


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Synthe]
    #19394083 - 01/09/14 03:00 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I do truly feel bad for people hurting themselves in stories like this but cmon, I for one have made oil for years, I think the first time I ran tubes I was around 15 or so. Not one accident. Hell I have less cautious friends who also have been fine, even running indoors and shit.(Tards)People doing stuff like this should know what their doing and know what not to do.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: my3rdeye] * 1
    #19394213 - 01/09/14 03:26 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Since it is legal in CO and WA why not just have industrial hash oil making facilities? Industry can work safely, or fairly safely, with flammable and dangerous chemicals. I am sure a method can be devised to do it all with automated equipment. How many people get hurt during rocket fuel processing? Shit is blowing up because you can't follow basic safety procedures in a kitchen or garage.




As far as I know you can do the same extraction with super-critical C02. In an industrial environment it would make a lot more sense to do that.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Heffy]
    #19394344 - 01/09/14 03:52 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Since it is legal in CO and WA why not just have industrial hash oil making facilities? Industry can work safely, or fairly safely, with flammable and dangerous chemicals. I am sure a method can be devised to do it all with automated equipment. How many people get hurt during rocket fuel processing? Shit is blowing up because you can't follow basic safety procedures in a kitchen or garage.




As far as I know you can do the same extraction with super-critical C02. In an industrial environment it would make a lot more sense to do that.




Yeah with a machine that costs tens of thousands of $$$

Not very practical . . .


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19394365 - 01/09/14 03:58 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Not to mention you can get machines somewhat like that for recycling butane. Then you can buy gallons of research grade liquid butane and recycle it as you make bho. But not very many people have the money for stuff like that.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19394476 - 01/09/14 04:27 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Heffy said:
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my3rdeye said:
Since it is legal in CO and WA why not just have industrial hash oil making facilities? Industry can work safely, or fairly safely, with flammable and dangerous chemicals. I am sure a method can be devised to do it all with automated equipment. How many people get hurt during rocket fuel processing? Shit is blowing up because you can't follow basic safety procedures in a kitchen or garage.




As far as I know you can do the same extraction with super-critical C02. In an industrial environment it would make a lot more sense to do that.




Yeah with a machine that costs tens of thousands of $$$

Not very practical . . .




If we're talking about an industrial environment than whatever produces the highest yield will be the most profitable / practical. Hence the industrial revolution

I'm not making any claims concerning that extraction method, but considering that the comment was about industrial use and whole sale equipment tends to be expensive anyways...


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19394879 - 01/09/14 05:45 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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If you're not smart enough, or don't have a place, to at least evap in front of a window with a fan, you should just smoke pot




Not the smartest idea. And while I am a glassblower and a have a very extensive exhaust system set up and have done it twice inside at the bench, I would probably never do it again. Fans are electric devices perfectly capable of creating a spark needed to ignite. Just because you did it safely countless times, it only takes one spark to fuck your shit up. Even static electricity from your body . . .




Then how would you propose to evaporate a solvent? Most of us can't do it outdoors. The fan only sparks once, and you can actually get sparkless fans nowadays. So turn it on before you put your pan down and you're fine. Besides, the fan blows the fumes directly out the window. Fan then Pyrex dish then the open window. Smart kitchen chemists have been doing this for years with things worse than butane.


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19394964 - 01/09/14 05:56 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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If you're not smart enough, or don't have a place, to at least evap in front of a window with a fan, you should just smoke pot




Not the smartest idea. And while I am a glassblower and a have a very extensive exhaust system set up and have done it twice inside at the bench, I would probably never do it again. Fans are electric devices perfectly capable of creating a spark needed to ignite. Just because you did it safely countless times, it only takes one spark to fuck your shit up. Even static electricity from your body . . .




Then how would you propose to evaporate a solvent? Most of us can't do it outdoors. The fan only sparks once, and you can actually get sparkless fans nowadays. So turn it on before you put your pan down and you're fine. Besides, the fan blows the fumes directly out the window. Fan then Pyrex dish then the open window. Smart kitchen chemists have been doing this for years with things worse than butane.




I would propose you find a back yard or outside open space and if you cannot then do not do it. And as I said just because it has been done countless times does not mean it is one hundred percent foolproof. There has been countless more cases of people blowing up than just this article. I personally know 2 people that have blown themselves up and luckily not seriously injured but still burned pretty badly.


Yes a fan only sparks once. What if there was a power outage or a power surge? What if the power went out for a brief moment, alowwing fumes to build, and then came back on and the fan sparked? It does not take very much fumes to explode. Have you ever lit butane on fire? I have as a test in a controlled experiment and that shit is FLAMMABLE AS FUCK!

If you feel comfortable doing it inside this way, all I can say is I really hope we do not end up reading about you on the news.

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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19395319 - 01/09/14 06:52 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Since it is legal in CO and WA why not just have industrial hash oil making facilities? Industry can work safely, or fairly safely, with flammable and dangerous chemicals. I am sure a method can be devised to do it all with automated equipment. How many people get hurt during rocket fuel processing? Shit is blowing up because you can't follow basic safety procedures in a kitchen or garage.




As far as I know you can do the same extraction with super-critical C02. In an industrial environment it would make a lot more sense to do that.




Yeah with a machine that costs tens of thousands of $$$

Not very practical . . .




What makes you think pressing supercritical C02 through a column packed with weed would cost tens of thousands of dollars?

What makes you think an investment of tens of thousands of dollars is impractical for a small industrial business?

What do you think the cost of blowing up your small business would be?


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Heffy]
    #19395422 - 01/09/14 07:10 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

My god people are dumb. I have made a metric fuckload of oil using butane and never even singed my eyebrows. The saddest part is that its the one retard in 10000 that makes the news. . .

Fucking idiot deserves to be removed from the gene pool.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19395503 - 01/09/14 07:26 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

:rofl: At the people blowing them selves up from BHO extractions :lol:

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    #19395530 - 01/09/14 07:31 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Rule #1 when making BHO...

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    #19395636 - 01/09/14 07:51 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

:rofl: wooooow.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: KT-BC]
    #19396386 - 01/09/14 10:54 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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What makes you think pressing supercritical C02 through a column packed with weed would cost tens of thousands of dollars?

What makes you think an investment of tens of thousands of dollars is impractical for a small industrial business?

What do you think the cost of blowing up your small business would be?




Because that is how much it costs for a real co2 extraction system

And who said anything about small industrial businesses? We are talking about stoners in their garages and apartments here. So no, it is not practical


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19396567 - 01/09/14 11:39 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Only way is to do practical in kitchen is just make very small amounts and know what you're doing.

Good ventilation, choose right solvent for your purposes, don't fuck up and know every step of extraction and don't do smoke a bowl when you're doing extraction..

There are so much people, they really don't know these solvents are flammable and dangerous and ignite without spark if temperatures rise enough.

I have ok way to extract with butane, it needs some equipment to build pressure chamber to allow butane stay in liquid form, when liquid comes out it will boil at room temperature or even at +10C

Anyway, I have done usually small amounts and over the years, never happened anything with acetone, butane, ether, etc..

Before I start, I find out what kind of solvent I'm using and what kind of environment I need, good ventilated kitchen works if amounts are very small. But I don't suggest to extract anything in kitchen nor garage..


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19397270 - 01/10/14 04:21 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

All this could be avoided with proper education and safety practices being utilized.  That being said, it's just another reason why bubble hash is superior.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19397359 - 01/10/14 05:15 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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What makes you think pressing supercritical C02 through a column packed with weed would cost tens of thousands of dollars?

What makes you think an investment of tens of thousands of dollars is impractical for a small industrial business?

What do you think the cost of blowing up your small business would be?




Because that is how much it costs for a real co2 extraction system

And who said anything about small industrial businesses? We are talking about stoners in their garages and apartments here. So no, it is not practical



Actually (as you can clearly see) we were discussing commercial production of hash in states where Cannabis is now legal.

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Since it is legal in CO and WA why not just have industrial hash oil making facilities? Industry can work safely, or fairly safely, with flammable and dangerous chemicals. I am sure a method can be devised to do it all with automated equipment. How many people get hurt during rocket fuel processing? Shit is blowing up because you can't follow basic safety procedures in a kitchen or garage.




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As far as I know you can do the same extraction with super-critical C02. In an industrial environment it would make a lot more sense to do that.



Why would I need to "buy a real C02 extraction system"? It's a very simple extraction. Any decent engineer could probably design one relatively cheaply.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: EastBayRay]
    #19397361 - 01/10/14 05:15 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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All this could be avoided with proper education and safety practices being utilized.  That being said, it's just another reason why bubble hash is superior.



That's just not true though. BHO is MUCH purer than bubble hash.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Heffy]
    #19397940 - 01/10/14 09:07 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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All this could be avoided with proper education and safety practices being utilized.  That being said, it's just another reason why bubble hash is superior.



That's just not true though. BHO is MUCH purer than bubble hash.




Enjoy your petroleum byproducts and carcinogenic impurities.  Your standard kitchen chemistry techniques cannot make it clean, sorry.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: EastBayRay]
    #19398211 - 01/10/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Heffy said:
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EastBayRay said:
All this could be avoided with proper education and safety practices being utilized.  That being said, it's just another reason why bubble hash is superior.



That's just not true though. BHO is MUCH purer than bubble hash.




Enjoy your petroleum byproducts and carcinogenic impurities.  Your standard kitchen chemistry techniques cannot make it clean, sorry.




Vac chambers can make oil up to 90% pure THC and ever more. If you use good quality butane that isnt made in korea or wherever most of its made, like new port, or N butane. The amount of impurities is so small, i bet it will have 0 effect on anybody.

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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Heffy]
    #19398571 - 01/10/14 11:43 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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All this could be avoided with proper education and safety practices being utilized.  That being said, it's just another reason why bubble hash is superior.



That's just not true though. BHO is MUCH purer than bubble hash.





The impurities in bubble hash are organic matter. The argument is the impurities in oil are chemicals.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19399432 - 01/10/14 02:29 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Marinol injection into a black n mild is better then shatter :lol:


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: EastBayRay]
    #19399477 - 01/10/14 02:40 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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EastBayRay said:
All this could be avoided with proper education and safety practices being utilized.  That being said, it's just another reason why bubble hash is superior.



That's just not true though. BHO is MUCH purer than bubble hash.




Enjoy your petroleum byproducts and carcinogenic impurities.  Your standard kitchen chemistry techniques cannot make it clean, sorry.



Most bubble hash contains mold caused by poor curing techniques.
Butane is not toxic to breathe.
The combustion by-products of butane are not toxic to breathe.

It's a clean burning fuel!

Nice try.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19399484 - 01/10/14 02:42 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Heffy said:
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All this could be avoided with proper education and safety practices being utilized.  That being said, it's just another reason why bubble hash is superior.



That's just not true though. BHO is MUCH purer than bubble hash.





The impurities in bubble hash are organic matter. The argument is the impurities in oil are chemicals.




I bet ALL organic matter is safe to smoke right? :wink:
Seriously though, you have me all freaked out that I might be ingesting scary chemicals like C02 and H20 from my BHO.


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    #19399510 - 01/10/14 02:46 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

Look for the LD50 of those substances (toxicology on them) the amount being ingested/inhaled is not an issue.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Heffy]
    #19399523 - 01/10/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Actually (as you can clearly see) we were discussing commercial production of hash in states where Cannabis is now legal.




Actually, as you can clearly see, the article in the OP is about amateurs blowing themselves up in their apartments. "we" are not talking about business. You may be but, not "we". I am referring to the article which actually started this thread


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Why would I need to "buy a real C02 extraction system"? It's a very simple extraction. Any decent engineer could probably design one relatively cheaply.





You have clearly done no research into making actual co2 hash. Sure anyone could throw some dry ice and trim in a bubble bag, shake it up and call it co2 hash but, for a "real" yes real co2 extraction machine you WILL spend tens of thousands. I know a group of people who actually have the setup . . .


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19399574 - 01/10/14 02:59 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

I made oil this way as a dumbass kid 15 years old. It's fucking sad that as a kid I was smart enough to know that it's explosive and needs to be done outdoors. Every time I read a story of someone getting burned it boggles my mind. WTF.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19399862 - 01/10/14 04:00 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

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Actually, as you can clearly see, the article in the OP is about amateurs blowing themselves up in their apartments. "we" are not talking about business. You may be but, not "we". I am referring to the article which actually started this thread




Me and the two other people who were discussing industrial hash production, were talking about industrial hash production. Your inability to take my post in the context of the discussion is your own problem.

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You have clearly done no research into making actual co2 hash. Sure anyone could throw some dry ice and trim in a bubble bag, shake it up and call it co2 hash but, for a "real" yes real co2 extraction machine you WILL spend tens of thousands. I know a group of people who actually have the setup . . .





What research would I have to do? Are you telling me the extraction does not involve pressing the supercritical C02 through a column filled with weed? If you buy a pre-fab system like the ones that Eden Labs makes, then it would definitely cost tens of thousands of dollars. However as I've already stated, the extraction itself is not a complicated procedure. Are you telling me that an engineer with access to tanks and fittings which withstand the pressure of super-critical C02, couldn't design their own (much cheaper) system? I would have to disagree.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Heffy]
    #19400600 - 01/10/14 06:37 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

People just don't seem to understand what they are messing with. You are blasting a very flammable solvent into the air around you. Especially indoors, it is a bad idea. Anything as much as static electricity from your feet can set a spark off. It's best to get the butane out of the mix quickly, but even if cold outside a hot water bath is enough to get all the liquid butane out.

I'd do it once-twice with hot water outdoors, get it as thin as possible to avoid large amounts of butane staying. After that you can purge with hotplate, vac/oven, etc. Only time I've had anything go off on me outdoors was with a hotplate, and that is why I now water-bath it no matter what until all the liquid butane is off the plate.

Really it's a matter of a little bit of chemistry, and a LOT of common sense. These incidents are really just people who lack common sense. Pressurized gas + spark = explosion. Blast your BHO indoors and you're making your house a bomb in which you are standing in.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Godfather1376]
    #19403536 - 01/11/14 12:10 PM (10 years, 20 days ago)

If you're worried about impurities in your solvent, distill it yourself. Much cheaper than a vacuum purging machine.

But Heffy got it pretty much right. Buy some good, clean solvent to begin with and there's just not much concern.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20539893 - 09/08/14 07:38 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

My guy says the wax in dab is bad.  Burned some stuff to show me the wax and now i get it.  Wax is a contamination of good dab.

When you do a dab, is there liquid left that doesnt burn?  That is wax.  Does your dab burn clean all way way without excessive heating?  That is top shelf.


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    #20545373 - 09/09/14 10:18 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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My guy says the wax in dab is bad.  Burned some stuff to show me the wax and now i get it.  Wax is a contamination of good dab.

When you do a dab, is there liquid left that doesnt burn?  That is wax.  Does your dab burn clean all way way without excessive heating?  That is top shelf.




Well kind of. Any residuals from the oil (properly made/purged oil) are going to be plant lipids and such that get through. A lot of commercial BHO makers are now "winterizing" oil to further remove these fats. Some people also contribute the fats to the "lung lock" like effect from non-winterized oil.

Non-winterized oil can still be very bomb, full of terpines and THC and with nothing harmful introduced, but that extra step gets everything just that bit purer.


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Re: Hash Oil’s Trail of Seared Skin and Annihilated Homes [Re: Godfather1376]
    #20546214 - 09/10/14 02:48 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Actually the waxes come from impurities in the butane, not from the plant. That is why it all that much more important to de-wax it with dry ice, getting the butane cold enough that these waxes fall out and can then be filtered. As far as the lung lock I am not sure exactly what causes that but it is probably many factors, one huge factor is how hot you are getting your nail. If it is orange when you dab that is waaaaaaaaaay too hot


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    #20546716 - 09/10/14 06:52 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

It might help somewhat for impurities in the butane, but the fats/waxes are lipids (scientific name for fats) in the actual plant material that still get through the filtering process. Oil-makers can freeze their oil while in the liquid butane (or through frozen alcohol filtration) to freeze these fats and impurities while the THC, other cannabinoids, and terpenes can stay in the solvent. Plenty of these BHO makers are using research-grade 99.5-8% pure n-butane, with some other solvents like propane and others as extras; meaning that the fats are from the plant, not the butane.

You cannot freeze propane or any other solvent very easily. Think of freezing something as volatile as propane in butane?The temperature would have to be -305.8 °F to freeze the propane in a solid form. Unless you're freezing mercaptins and other hydrocarbons (which with research-grade butane, there is none) all those impurities come from plant matter.

When winterizing first became a popular procedure, tons of people were under the misconception that the lipids and fats were what gave "wax" and honeycomb their texture, claiming that shatter had fewer of these fats. Through the last couple years though, it's evident that they have nothing to do with the texture of the final product.


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