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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19333173 - 12/27/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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^^Ask him what he doesn't like about them, they're the best hook you can use for bait fishing IMO. I use them on everything from Whiting to Marlin with fantastic results. If you guys do like to leave the rods until you notice a fish is on it then circle hooks would be PERFECT. Just try them once and you guys will be convinced on how good they are.
It's funny how there is always that one fish that makes us keep going back for more. We fish 50lb tackle for Marlin usually but we got spanked by a HUGE Blue Marlin earlier this year, easily 700lb. We were completely out-gunned and the fish won it's freedom. It's not like I needed a reason to keep gamefishing, but that is a fish that will fuel my passion for many more years.
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: FuzzyShark]
#19333186 - 12/27/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FuzzyShark said:Fish have such a high pain tolerance they don't even fill it.
I'm not sure if there's any evidence to support that. I have however seen studies that claim fish like trout have more nerve endings in their mouth when compared to say a stingray.
Don't get me wrong I am not saying they don't feel an ounce of pain but they have an incredible high tolerance for it. And unlike humans fish do not possess a neocortex, which is the first indicator of doubt regarding the pain awareness of fish. Sharks and Rays, show a complete lack of these fibres and all bony fish, such as carp and trout they very rarely have them. In this case, the physiological prerequisites for a conscious experience of pain are hardly developed in fish.
Fish in Australia like Barramundi and Murray Cod are an example of this. Quite often when you catch them you will see holes in the sinew around their mouth. This is due to the spikes of their prey piercing it and causing damage. It obviously doesn't bother them because fisherman wouldn't catch them and see the damage if it affected their feeding
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
#19341399 - 12/29/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree with the OP to an extent. I used to fish strictly catch and release, but after putting some good thought into it decided that it was a cruel action. Same goes for catch and keep but shit, humans need to eat. I think that it's best to keep what you can and eat it, don't waste anything. If it's to small or sick or then that seems to be the only time that someone should release.
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Cactilove]
#19345274 - 12/30/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shouldnt be a big deal unless were talking net fishing. Thats just cheating in my opinion.
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Cactilove]
#19345461 - 12/30/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cactilove said: I agree with the OP to an extent. I used to fish strictly catch and release, but after putting some good thought into it decided that it was a cruel action. Same goes for catch and keep but shit, humans need to eat. I think that it's best to keep what you can and eat it, don't waste anything. If it's to small or sick or then that seems to be the only time that someone should release. 
So killing a fish and eating it is better than throwing it back into their habitat where most of the time they make a full recovery?
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Pureless]
#19347232 - 12/30/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jordy has given me a lot of cool info about fishing i would have never known otherwise
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: elax420]
#19349156 - 12/30/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Glad you've learnt something elax420!! I've been fishing for longer than I've been playing bass and martial arts and those are 2 things I am also very passionate about. I just take fishing to a whole new level when it comes to a hobby, to the point where work is really just killing time in between fishing trips!! hahaha
Although I do have a confession to make guys. Went up to Sydney over the weekend to try and help put an old friend onto his first Marlin. He offered to pay for the fuel and all other costs for the day if we let him keep his first Marlin (he knows our T/R only policy for billfish). We agreed on the proviso that no fish over 150lb is killed and that the fish is to be cleaned immediately at sea, no hanging it up on the scales to stroke ego. He agreed, he was on within 2 hours of fishing and we were home by lunch time after having taken home our second billfish in ten years and first intentional kill in that time. Not a bad day on the water at all, even if the fish didn't swim away. Enjoy some footage guys
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
#19349261 - 12/30/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dang that thing is a monster. Looks like fun.
"that the fish is to be cleaned immediately at sea, no hanging it up on the scales to stroke ego.”
I don’t really get what you mean by this. Do trophy fisherman keep the fish alive till they get to shore or something to weigh it or what is the reasoning behind this?
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: elax420]
#19352318 - 12/31/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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elax420 said: Dang that thing is a monster. Looks like fun.
"that the fish is to be cleaned immediately at sea, no hanging it up on the scales to stroke ego.”
I don’t really get what you mean by this. Do trophy fisherman keep the fish alive till they get to shore or something to weigh it or what is the reasoning behind this?
What most 'trophy fisherman' are wanting is an official weight by a gamefishing club weighstation, a bunch of photos and recognition. To do this, you need to kill the fish to get it back to shore and the whole weighing process usually causes a lot of commotion (especially with AR groups).
We choose to have no part of this culture as we are primarily tag and release fisherman when it comes to Marlin, whether it's in competition or just social fishing. Whilst we respect the right of the angler on our boat to take a fish, we won't allow the fish to be paraded back on dry land in order for someone's ego to inflate.
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
#19368135 - 01/04/14 01:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is what I was referring to in my last post, although this fish died during the fight. It can happen sometimes but we have been good enough to not have it happen for over ten years on our boat (again, due to an improvement in tackle and techniques).
When guys intentionally kill fish for this kind of thing, it makes my blood boil as it is not necessary and does nothing but harm in so many areas of the fishing world.
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
#19371469 - 01/05/14 05:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not really the hook does not hurt the fish. After you catch it If your not keeping them put it back in the water..
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
#19375205 - 01/05/14 10:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jordy you guys do any Flyfishing for billfish that Black would be perfect size for a 12/13 wt and 16/20lb tippet.?
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: r00tuuu123]
#19375727 - 01/06/14 03:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's on the bucket list, not something I would do exclusively though. There's been plenty of those little Blacks around recently which would be perfect for fly, but I am concentrating on getting my new boat setup to go chase billfish on 20-30lb tackle.
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Pureless]
#19377154 - 01/06/14 12:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes.
Though, there has been claims that hooking a fish doesn't hurt it. I'm a little bit skeptical about that. Then again I'm not an expert. I'm not going to call out people who catch and release fish as inhumane cocksuckers or anything. It's just not for me unless it's for a food source.
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Cactilove]
#19380208 - 01/06/14 11:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cactilove said: Yes.
Though, there has been claims that hooking a fish doesn't hurt it. I'm a little bit skeptical about that. Then again I'm not an expert. I'm not going to call out people who catch and release fish as inhumane cocksuckers or anything. It's just not for me unless it's for a food source.
And that's fair enough. You can still fish for food and enjoy it, no need to feel bad about it.
Most fish don't eat the same way that other animals eat their food. Most fish swallow their prey whole, so evolution has caused them to have less sensation to oral pain than most other animals, if any at all. They also lack an evolved neo cortex, meaning their sense of pain isn't what mammals feel.
My opinion of the fight of a lip-hooked fish is that it's in relation to the resistance, not pain.
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
#19382069 - 01/07/14 11:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is very likely the case. I remember a story about a bass in a private pond that the owner would throw out a lure and if the bass would take it and get caught then released food would follow. It worked. He trained that bass to hit that surface lure almost every time.
Now I would however question the experience of the gut hooked fish that slowly dies or the gill hooked fish who dies from lack of oxygen. Some suffering is likely there.
Bottom line however is suffering is normal in nature. Got a problem with that? Take it up with mother nature.
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Icelander]
#19387924 - 01/08/14 12:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander, we get similar things happen in gamefishing where tagged and released gamefish are re-caught. I've caught a couple tagged fish and I have heard of one guy who even re-caught a fish he had tagged a few months earlier!!
Also, we don't risk gut hooked or gill hooked fish as we use circle hooks. If they don't hook up in the corner of the jaw then they don't hook up at all.
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: Jordy]
#19391383 - 01/09/14 12:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander gut hooked fish are likely to survive just fine ( I have caught trout for eating with any number of odd things in their bellies from chunks of glass to old beer can pull tabs. it is the gill hooked ones that die. The scene in jaws where they pull a license plate outa the tiger shark is pretty much correct. Unless gill hooked the fish will either digest the hook over time or it will "keyhole" out. in the case of a lost fish.
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: r00tuuu123]
#19391798 - 01/09/14 02:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Back when I was about 12 or 13, I pulled shark jaws, mutton birds, dolphin parts, trim tabs (from flybridge boats), a piece of wood and 2 buoys from 3 x 800lb tiger shark's stomachs in the one day. There used to be a picture floating around the internet of me covered in blood with all the stomach contents of the shark's stomachs whilst holding up a fist of cash that I got paid to get the jaws off the fish. Most people didn't believe all that stuff was in the shark stomachs, it's amazing what some fish will eat.
Then there was the time we were picking at a whole roasted chicken and throwing bones overboard. Caught a Snapper not long after and when we cleaned it we found a chicken bone in it's stomach. Also pulled hooks out of snapper stomachs that weren't mine (obviously I use circles and get all my hooks back). Even gear and techniques that aren't fish friendly and hook up in bad areas don't always hurt the fish.
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Re: Fishing is a cruel sport/hobby, [Re: r00tuuu123]
#19391849 - 01/09/14 02:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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r00tuuu123 said: Icelander gut hooked fish are likely to survive just fine ( I have caught trout for eating with any number of odd things in their bellies from chunks of glass to old beer can pull tabs. it is the gill hooked ones that die. The scene in jaws where they pull a license plate outa the tiger shark is pretty much correct. Unless gill hooked the fish will either digest the hook over time or it will "keyhole" out. in the case of a lost fish.
Better come up with some stats quick. I fished my whole life and I've seen uncounted numbers of fish circling and floating belly up after being cut loose from fishing line. A delicate trout is very different than a shark. I have also caught trout with a hook in them but that hardly means the majority survive gut hooking.
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