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How to overthrow the American govt.
    #19391483 - 01/09/14 12:38 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

What would it take? Obviously a few protests won't get the job done.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Legend] * 2
    #19391495 - 01/09/14 12:41 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

:paranoid:

Maybe you could just ask really nice?


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: andrewmurray86]
    #19391596 - 01/09/14 01:19 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Yeah. I'm going to post in THIS thread. :rolleyes:

Oh shit :frown:


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: koods]
    #19391599 - 01/09/14 01:20 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I dare them to fucking do something.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Legend] * 3
    #19391603 - 01/09/14 01:21 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Fucking earn your name!


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Legend]
    #19391617 - 01/09/14 01:26 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Legend said:
I dare them to fucking do something.



They can't do much because they need slaves to control they can't kill us all lol unless they replace us with drones or some crazy shit.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Legend] * 1
    #19391624 - 01/09/14 01:28 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Get everyone pissed off enough


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Shroomism]
    #19391630 - 01/09/14 01:30 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

yeah, well whats going to piss them off?


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Legend]
    #19391639 - 01/09/14 01:31 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

the truth


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Legend]
    #19391642 - 01/09/14 01:32 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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yeah, well whats going to piss them off?




Free healthcare


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: koods]
    #19391657 - 01/09/14 01:37 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

minorities taking over


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: mr sniffles]
    #19391692 - 01/09/14 01:50 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I'm thinking something for the greater good


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: mr sniffles]
    #19391696 - 01/09/14 01:51 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

The U.S. Government will never be overthrown. They keep the majority of the population in fear through media and other sources. These people will never wake up and realize that they are merely slaves for this corrupt system. A military revolution would never work either as this is the biggest military industrial complex in the world.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: ganjasmuggler]
    #19391984 - 01/09/14 03:36 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Soldiers realizing they have been abused by a system that cares nothing about them or their struggles, all in the name of Holy Profit for a select few individuals.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: mr sniffles] * 2
    #19392018 - 01/09/14 03:50 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

Legend said:
yeah, well whats going to piss them off?




Free healthcare



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mr sniffles said:
minorities taking over




You guys would love the UK haha


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Legend] * 1
    #19392028 - 01/09/14 03:56 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

With a legion of mentally impaired shoomerites, obviously.  This is your time to shine OP/Leader.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: MorphinTime] * 2
    #19392053 - 01/09/14 04:08 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Pfft, if the shroomery could unite we would win. We got, like, 7 Jesuses and 9 Jim Morrisons alone.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Turtletotem]
    #19392057 - 01/09/14 04:09 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

How could that not be advantageous?




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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: MorphinTime]
    #19392133 - 01/09/14 04:39 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Americans are too busy spending time on social media to care about politics.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19392145 - 01/09/14 04:43 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

i think americans have just came to terms with how broken the system is..

i dont believe social media has anything to do with it.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19392147 - 01/09/14 04:43 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Omg #revolution2014 #downwithobama #fuckdaman
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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Legend]
    #19392157 - 01/09/14 04:48 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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What would it take? Obviously a few protests won't get the job done.



It would take millions of deaths in wars with the US govt

also it is virtually impossible.

our military exceeds the rest of the world by an astronomical amount


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: something super extreme]
    #19392335 - 01/09/14 05:54 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: rackem]
    #19392345 - 01/09/14 05:56 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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i think americans have just came to terms with how broken the system is..

i dont believe social media has anything to do with it.




It all went to a downward spiral after Vietnam.

But with social media, what I mean is, any time anybody wants to start a politically conscious topic by bringing awareness to something, ever notice that all they ever do is post on Facebook about it? They're not out there writing letters to senators, or raising funding for whatever cause it is they're fighting for, they're simply blogging about it and complaining about it online. In this sense social media has really impeded political activity, by making it inherently apolitical.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19392384 - 01/09/14 06:08 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Get america to start alcohol prohibition again and have a cartel already set up, have the government crack down on weed in medical and legal and decriminalized states, use your powerful alcohol cartel to wrestle control of all drug market, destroy the US from the inside.

Edit: The ground will be soaked in the blood and ashes of our enemies.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19392416 - 01/09/14 06:26 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Here a few ideas:

If hundreds of thousands americans stopped paying taxes the government wouldn't get their dirty mmoney and therefore would have no military, because the military is funded by us as tax payers. That woould allow a well regulated militia to shift the balance of power quite a bit.

Flood the market with billions of dollars in counterfeit money.

Basically anything that takes money from the government because that's honestly all they live for.

The assassination of multiple high standing government officials.

Yknow.. the good, juicy, television stuff.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Krat0s]
    #19392691 - 01/09/14 08:50 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

The most radical idea of them all: How many of you are registered to VOTE ?


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: obaku] * 2
    #19392712 - 01/09/14 09:00 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Overthrowing the government is impossible.

Several million people would have to take the streets and walk to Washington (with guns to kill the guards) and take the White House and Congress.

Not gonna happen because:

- everybody is addicted to their paychecks and cannot afford to take time off to protest.
- Most people don't have the cash to travel to DC
- Most people don't want to risk their lives for their cause anymore
- Even if successful, you know they will simply hide the president until it's over and reclaim power.
- Even if successful, the elections will be declared and you'll be stuck voting for the same two parties

America is the perfect storm. The poor are too poor to have a voice. The rich are too comfortable to do anything. Plus the army and law enforcement is simply too strong to overcome (unless the revolution start from within and people risk getting shot)


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: obaku]
    #19392716 - 01/09/14 09:01 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Why in the hell would I want to do that? Roads are fucking awesome.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Patlal]
    #19392728 - 01/09/14 09:04 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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The most radical idea of them all: How many of you are registered to VOTE ?



:curbyourenthusiasm:

i show up only to void my ballot


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Krat0s] * 1
    #19392729 - 01/09/14 09:04 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Krat0s said:
Here a few ideas:

If hundreds of thousands americans stopped paying taxes the government wouldn't get their dirty mmoney and therefore would have no military, because the military is funded by us as tax payers. That woould allow a well regulated militia to shift the balance of power quite a bit.

Flood the market with billions of dollars in counterfeit money.

Basically anything that takes money from the government because that's honestly all they live for.

The assassination of multiple high standing government officials.

Yknow.. the good, juicy, television stuff.




The point is to overthrow the government, not to destroy the economy and plunge the US in a deep recession that would result in becoming a third world country


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Patlal]
    #19392730 - 01/09/14 09:05 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Mine would work the best.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: NotTheDevil] * 2
    #19392753 - 01/09/14 09:12 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Hillary's nudes being leaked


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Patlal]
    #19392755 - 01/09/14 09:12 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

revolutions are messy affairs--you're thinking of a coup--requires military efficiency to topple a government but leave the shell of it's economy standing

really though, that is the most likely way for the american government to be overthrown--the military troops shoot their officers and side with the people--unlikely, but not impossible


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19392763 - 01/09/14 09:14 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I just had an epiphany.

People don't want to overthrow the government because the only example of it they see is the middle east. Nobody wants to be like the middle east, so they keep quiet.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #19392770 - 01/09/14 09:15 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

What's the plan after it's overthrown?


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Beanhead] * 2
    #19392773 - 01/09/14 09:17 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

The plan is:

Now once more, with feeling!


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19392780 - 01/09/14 09:21 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Mexico is a crap hole and has been 'democratic' for awhile now


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Patlal]
    #19392792 - 01/09/14 09:27 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
I just had an epiphany.

People don't want to overthrow the government because the only example of it they see is the middle east. Nobody wants to be like the middle east, so they keep quiet.



That, and life's just fine for most of us.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Beanhead]
    #19392794 - 01/09/14 09:27 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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What's the plan after it's overthrown?



Be realistic, demand the impossible.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Legend]
    #19392851 - 01/09/14 09:45 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

A big protest that is violently suppressed, leading to bigger outrage and mass protesting all over the country...

YOU get off your ass and into the street, and protest, riot and post pics and random footage to the internet from the barricades for the world to see.

The state of emergency is declared but protests are beyond critical mass

The media reporting cops, national guard and soldiers crossing over to side with the protesters, first singlew ones, then whole platoons, armoured cars..

Mutiny in the armed forces, naval vessels and forts choosing sides and siding with the people..

The chain of command finds ityself opposed by the majority of its armed forces and new elections are called. 





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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Asante]
    #19392854 - 01/09/14 09:46 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Occupy Wall Street was perhaps the biggest protest in recent history. What came of it? Absolutely nothing...


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Patlal]
    #19392877 - 01/09/14 09:52 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

If you have a protest,
the minute demands are unclear and or contradictory
it is an absolutely worthless, waste of time protest.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19392888 - 01/09/14 09:53 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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If you have a protest,
the minute demands are unclear and or contradictory
it is an absolutely worthless, waste of time protest.




Which is why a leader needs to be appointed. He has to be smart and aware of the demands.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19392892 - 01/09/14 09:55 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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If you have a protest,
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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Patlal]
    #19392909 - 01/09/14 09:58 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

Apollyphelion said:
If you have a protest,
the minute demands are unclear and or contradictory
it is an absolutely worthless, waste of time protest.




Which is why a leader needs to be appointed. He has to be smart and aware of the demands.





I agree.
A figure head must represent waves of unsatisfied people.
They must speak clearly, concisely, and have few points
which are made over and over.

The minute the Leader disappears then you have Anarchy
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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19392914 - 01/09/14 09:59 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19392918 - 01/09/14 10:00 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

China and Russia will take care of that.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: koods] * 1
    #19392933 - 01/09/14 10:04 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

Legend said:
yeah, well whats going to piss them off?




Free healthcare that isn't actually free and while nominally designed to aid a small minority it fucked a ridiculously large amount of people with higher costs, lower quality care, increased deductibles, lost policies, different doctors and a heaping spoonful of lies from the Messiah.




Fixed that for you.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Bubbles85]
    #19392937 - 01/09/14 10:05 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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yeah, well whats going to piss them off?




Free healthcare



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minorities taking over




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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Patlal]
    #19392939 - 01/09/14 10:05 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Occupy Wall Street was perhaps the biggest protest in recent history. What came of it? Absolutely nothing...




ask yourself why that happened.

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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: k00laid]
    #19392944 - 01/09/14 10:07 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Occupy Wall Street was perhaps the biggest protest in recent history. What came of it? Absolutely nothing...




ask yourself why that happened.

and then go forth and research.

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To understand how the world works, people must understand Communism vs. Zionism. The OWS website shows clearly the clenched fist, which is a Communist symbol. OWS is controlled opposition.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: happygolucky]
    #19392949 - 01/09/14 10:08 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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OWS is controlled opposition.




at the beginning it wasn't


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: obaku] * 1
    #19392951 - 01/09/14 10:09 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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The most radical idea of them all: How many of you are registered to VOTE ?




I can't believe you were the only person to mention that. If you don't like your government vote in a different one. Run for office yourself. Revolutions are for 3rd world shitholes not democracies. The day after revolution America would become a 3rd world shithole, and since I live in Canada and our economy depends on yours, we too would become a third world shithole too.
Before talking about revolution how about talking seriously about a third party? None of the other civilised nations have a 2 party system. I think the system needs repair not destruction.
And anyway you overthrow government and what then? Anarchy? I don't feel living under some warlord or militia rule. You want a revolution, but then what? I don't see very many post revolution scenarios that are better than life now.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19392959 - 01/09/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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I think the system needs repair not destruction..




that's impossible.

its ok though, you might not know about the ballot rigging and shisty politics that go on in america.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19392969 - 01/09/14 10:14 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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The most radical idea of them all: How many of you are registered to VOTE ?




I can't believe you were the only person to mention that. If you don't like your government vote in a different one. Run for office yourself. Revolutions are for 3rd world shitholes not democracies. The day after revolution America would become a 3rd world shithole, and since I live in Canada and our economy depends on yours, we too would become a third world shithole too.
Before talking about revolution how about talking seriously about a third party? None of the other civilised nations have a 2 party system. I think the system needs repair not destruction.
And anyway you overthrow government and what then? Anarchy? I don't feel living under some warlord or militia rule. You want a revolution, but then what? I don't see very many post revolution scenarios that are better than life now.



Thats because this was a thread about overthrowing the government, not about changing its policies.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19392997 - 01/09/14 10:21 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

lack of clear demands wasn't the failings of occupy--it was an unwillingness on the part of most to take a militant approach--pacifism only got them so far, and then when the camps got raids people chose to go home--have a leader wouldn't have changed this, unless she managed to get everyone riled up and willing to fight--which i don't think most of the folks participating in occupy were really willing to do



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The minute the Leader disappears then you have Anarchy
the stupidest form of humanity!


Why does living a life without a leader scare you so?

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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19393000 - 01/09/14 10:22 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

this is the NSA

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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: k00laid]
    #19393007 - 01/09/14 10:24 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

:franklinpuppet:  Its hilarious that people in this thread think that voting is gonna do anything.  Democrat/Republican are 2 sides of the same show.  Its almost like professional wrestling, it just makes people feel like they're not enslaved. 
The U.S. wont change unless there is a huge grass roots movement ousting the current "2-party" system.  If the American people went out and everybody voted strictly independent ticket it may send a message, but ultimately I think it would be trivial.  The powers that be would lobby and bribe newly elected officials into the same horseshit that is happening now.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: NWlight] * 1
    #19393011 - 01/09/14 10:24 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
    #19393118 - 01/09/14 10:57 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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lack of clear demands wasn't the failings of occupy--it was an unwillingness on the part of most to take a militant approach--pacifism only got them so far, and then when the camps got raids people chose to go home--have a leader wouldn't have changed this, unless she managed to get everyone riled up and willing to fight--which i don't think most of the folks participating in occupy were really willing to do



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The minute the Leader disappears then you have Anarchy
the stupidest form of humanity!


Why does living a life without a leader scare you so?

"I heartily accept the motto, "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe — "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have."




Id rather have a government that creates a general sense of homogenous well being,
as opposed to tons of gangs, little fiefdoms, and slavers walking around like it is the wild west, or some areas in Africa (which is DAMN close to Anarchy, if not full blown)
A government is also important because it allows me to pay taxes to a military so I do not personally have to defend myself---leaving me to create art, travel, write, etc.

I'm not trying to argue that govment is perfect, or how little or how much it should be involved in our lives,
but I think no government at all will quickly degrade into everything terrible about humanity.

And with that said, because I think America is overall a pretty good country, anyone trying to violently overthrow it, instead of peaceful demonstration, voting, and public pressure,
should be mowed down with guns.

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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19393133 - 01/09/14 11:02 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion] * 1
    #19393137 - 01/09/14 11:03 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Apollyphelion is right, hippies. He is right and you are wrong and that is the way of things.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Synthe]
    #19393179 - 01/09/14 11:13 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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this is the NSA

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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19393180 - 01/09/14 11:13 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Id rather have a government that creates a general sense of homogenous well being,
as opposed to tons of gangs, little fiefdoms, and slavers walking around like it is the wild west, or some areas in Africa (which is DAMN close to Anarchy, if not full blown)



Lack of official government isn't what makes an anarchy--lack of hierarchy, and the existence of individual autonomy makes an anarchy--you describe something closer to autocracy or anocracy--the idea of anarchy implying chaos and disorder is a product of old government propaghanda



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I live by the motto ''Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others''



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    #19393184 - 01/09/14 11:14 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: mudbutt]
    #19393202 - 01/09/14 11:16 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

We're going to need help....from up there

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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19393244 - 01/09/14 11:24 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Id rather have a government that creates a general sense of homogenous well being,
as opposed to tons of gangs, little fiefdoms, and slavers walking around like it is the wild west, or some areas in Africa (which is DAMN close to Anarchy, if not full blown)



Lack of official government isn't what makes an anarchy--lack of hierarchy, and the existence of individual autonomy makes an anarchy--you describe something closer to autocracy or anocracy--the idea of anarchy implying chaos and disorder is a product of old government propaghanda



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I live by the motto ''Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others''



and I by the motto "The lesser of two evils is still an evil."




No one has ever convinced me how order would be maintained without government, and with out a threat of punishment. If there is a threat of punishment, I would like to have a say or vote on how it is dealt out and by whom. I would WANT to elect a leader. Like I said before, I have no problem with democratically electing people under a system that gives us a chance to hold them accountable.

No hierarchy is another word for No one is on the King of the Hill. There is ALWAYS a King of the Hill, no matter how large or small the hill. Sometimes it is taken by force, or taken by other means. No central government or homogenous standards is the biggest invitation for slavery, civil war, and other forms of human wicked ness. Anarchy offers no reasonable way to maintain peace, other than a gentlemens agreement with humanity.

I'm fine with living with a lesser evil. No evil is not only unrealistic imo, but terribly terribly boring.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19393384 - 01/09/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

2 weeks of food insecurity ought to do it.

Obviously were past getting angry about fascism, maybe once we start starving to death someone will stop and go "wait. ok this sucks."


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19393396 - 01/09/14 11:54 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Not if we creat a sustainable and peaceful society like perma culture or something similar it can be done I mean if people believe humans created the pyramids we do anything together.

You act like you paying your tax dollar does anything at all to protect your from so called terrorists that don't even exist I would understand your argument if we actually have caught terrorists and extremists by we have not we are the TERRORISTS straight up were the ones raiding other countires and killing woamn and children with drone strikes and trying to spy and govern the entire world while also making Africa and other countries this way because America is selfish and doesn't want to spend all our bullshit money we have to help anyone but themselves its total US AND THEM.

So I think if we could run some sort of sustainable resource type of economy instead of leaching other countries for things we could do it and be independent on our owns without the need to pay taxes because you contribute by farming and other means? Just a possibility...


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19393412 - 01/09/14 12:00 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
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Apollyphelion said:
Id rather have a government that creates a general sense of homogenous well being,
as opposed to tons of gangs, little fiefdoms, and slavers walking around like it is the wild west, or some areas in Africa (which is DAMN close to Anarchy, if not full blown)



Lack of official government isn't what makes an anarchy--lack of hierarchy, and the existence of individual autonomy makes an anarchy--you describe something closer to autocracy or anocracy--the idea of anarchy implying chaos and disorder is a product of old government propaghanda



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I live by the motto ''Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others''



and I by the motto "The lesser of two evils is still an evil."




No one has ever convinced me how order would be maintained without government, and with out a threat of punishment. If there is a threat of punishment, I would like to have a say or vote on how it is dealt out and by whom. I would WANT to elect a leader. Like I said before, I have no problem with democratically electing people under a system that gives us a chance to hold them accountable.

No hierarchy is another word for No one is on the King of the Hill. There is ALWAYS a King of the Hill, no matter how large or small the hill. Sometimes it is taken by force, or taken by other means. No central government or homogenous standards is the biggest invitation for slavery, civil war, and other forms of human wicked ness. Anarchy offers no reasonable way to maintain peace, other than a gentlemens agreement with humanity.

I'm fine with living with a lesser evil. No evil is not only unrealistic imo, but terribly terribly boring.



The best option is a minimal archy which actually just protects and helps its people.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: NotTheDevil]
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shivas.wisdom said:
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Apollyphelion said:
Id rather have a government that creates a general sense of homogenous well being,
as opposed to tons of gangs, little fiefdoms, and slavers walking around like it is the wild west, or some areas in Africa (which is DAMN close to Anarchy, if not full blown)



Lack of official government isn't what makes an anarchy--lack of hierarchy, and the existence of individual autonomy makes an anarchy--you describe something closer to autocracy or anocracy--the idea of anarchy implying chaos and disorder is a product of old government propaghanda



Quote:

I live by the motto ''Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others''



and I by the motto "The lesser of two evils is still an evil."




No one has ever convinced me how order would be maintained without government, and with out a threat of punishment. If there is a threat of punishment, I would like to have a say or vote on how it is dealt out and by whom. I would WANT to elect a leader. Like I said before, I have no problem with democratically electing people under a system that gives us a chance to hold them accountable.

No hierarchy is another word for No one is on the King of the Hill. There is ALWAYS a King of the Hill, no matter how large or small the hill. Sometimes it is taken by force, or taken by other means. No central government or homogenous standards is the biggest invitation for slavery, civil war, and other forms of human wicked ness. Anarchy offers no reasonable way to maintain peace, other than a gentlemens agreement with humanity.

I'm fine with living with a lesser evil. No evil is not only unrealistic imo, but terribly terribly boring.



The best option is a minimal archy which actually just protects and helps its people.




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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: PsychedelicScience]
    #19393456 - 01/09/14 12:13 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I bet if we overthrew the government, we would get invaded by another country during the chaos and then would be under another, probably more extreme regime. That rhymes, extreme regime :lol:


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: ganjasmuggler]
    #19393465 - 01/09/14 12:16 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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What would it take? Obviously a few protests won't get the job done.






The people would have to want it to happen.  Currently that is not the case, a lot would need to change to get the people pissed off enough to consider starting the government over again.

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yeah, well whats going to piss them off?





I think that locking up millions of people in FEMA camps would do it.  Yet another reason that FEMA camps do not exist.

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The U.S. Government will never be overthrown. They keep the majority of the population in fear through media and other sources.





The US citizens are not in fear, it's that they are very comfortable.  They have what they need to survive and be happy, and the US government is much less evil/corrupt than many other governments out there.


If we did overthrow the government, what would we replace it with?  Probably something extremely similar to what we have now...So what's the point?


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19393484 - 01/09/14 12:20 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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What would it take? Obviously a few protests won't get the job done.






The people would have to want it to happen.  Currently that is not the case, a lot would need to change to get the people pissed off enough to consider starting the government over again.

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yeah, well whats going to piss them off?





I think that locking up millions of people in FEMA camps would do it.  Yet another reason that FEMA camps do not exist.

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The U.S. Government will never be overthrown. They keep the majority of the population in fear through media and other sources.





The US citizens are not in fear, it's that they are very comfortable.  They have what they need to survive and be happy, and the US government is much less evil/corrupt than many other governments out there.


If we did overthrow the government, what would we replace it with?  Probably something extremely similar to what we have now...So what's the point?




I'm shocked that a Rockefeller would argue against revolution. :rolleyes:

Joking... Do people get on you about your last name? Seems like one of those names that Alex Jones throws around a lot.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19393492 - 01/09/14 12:21 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

I don't see anarchies existing on the level of countries, or planetwide--it would be possible, if all of humanity decided to cooperate together--but that is too utopian for me to hold my breathe for right now--thus the quote "when men are prepared for it"

instead, my vision for a practicable anarchy is this day and age see small egalitarian communities--small issues are solved by consensus of parties involved, consensus/vote (depending on how they want to run things) of entire community for greater issues--kinda like in the way a family solves it's own problems internally, which is why it relies on the community being of a size small enough that each member is able to personally relate, at least to some extent, with every other member

you wouldn't need a leader because you would have a say in any issue that would directly effect you, and there would be not bureaucratic system to wade through to get your voice heard--perhaps there would be daily/weekly meetings, or a way to summon people for a meeting by the tolling of a bell, etc.--if a person was required to take the roll of moderator, it could easily be made to be a temporary role given to all community members of age, on a random or rotational basis

punishment could exist within an anarchy--though, i would imagine that most folks who would self-identify as anarchist today, would also be against prison and the modern day justice system--so punishment won't arrive in the form we commonly see--punishment could range from reparations for your crime, ostracization from the community, up to executions (though probably shouldn't pull those off if living under the umbrella of a country with it's own justice system)--and once again, the decision would fall to affected parties for minor issues (fights, theft, harassment), and to the entire community for serious issues (murder, rape, torture)

an why would it be impossible for an anarchistic community to arm and train itself in self-defence? why would they all need be pacifist to the extreme, and just hope that nothing ever fucks with their way of life--anarchists seek to avoid forcing other humans to act other than their own autonomy would dictate--which make the idea of an active military contradictory--but not the idea of self-defense

and i dunno man, i've lived in non-hierarchical communities before--they've generally been small--5 up to 25 or 30--but they've worked and didn't reveal any reason why they would stop being successful until the numbers got into the thousands--i'll be the first to admit i don't have a perfect proposal of how to make a model anarchy--if i did, i would have published that shit long ago--but i've tested my own theories and ideas in what ways i've good, and only held on to the ones that stood through them--and the only way i'll get any more answers is by continuing to live my own life as close to my 'ideal anarchy' as possible and seeing if it works--it's just when i see someone say anarchy is 'the stupidest form of humanity' i really have to step in--because it's the double whammy of over a hundred years of government anti-anarchist propaganda (before the commies and jihadis, before the unions and the environmentalists) which has been quite successful in turning the public minds concept of anarchy into the idea of a free-for-all where the murderers, liars, and thieves will rise to the top (kinda sounds like our current day government no?)--anarchy, at it's core, merely is an egalitarian society where all members are able to express autonomy--which really isn't that stupid sounding to me


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I'm fine with living with a lesser evil. No evil is not only unrealistic imo, but terribly terribly boring.



see, part of the reason i consider government an evil is because it seeks to make this world we live in a boring, controlled, sterile environment--and i ain't having none of that




i know it's a lot to ask someone to view a 10 minute video, but if you feel like dedicating the time it does a pretty good job at explaining why--even though i don't exactly know what an anarchy would entail, or how to pull it off, i still see it as a better alternative to any form of government--plus, it's got an alien:


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: koods] * 1
    #19393518 - 01/09/14 12:27 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Joking... Do people get on you about your last name? Seems like one of those names that Alex Jones throws around a lot.





Rarely.  They did it roughly ten times more when I had my Facebook employer set to Monsanto.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: ganjasmuggler]
    #19394417 - 01/09/14 04:13 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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The U.S. Government will never be overthrown. They keep the majority of the population in fear through media and other sources.




In America the government does not control the media.  The media controls the government


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19394439 - 01/09/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

when you don't control your own government, people want to kill you


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: koods]
    #19394458 - 01/09/14 04:24 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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I'm shocked that a Rockefeller would argue against revolution. :rolleyes:

Joking... Do people get on you about your last name? Seems like one of those names that Alex Jones throws around a lot.




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Stock-stealing, retirement fund fuckin'-with niggas
Fuck you little credit card-scamming, jewelry-stealing
Crack-selling, liquor store-robbing motherfuckers
Shout out to the homies Carnegie, OG Willy Randolph Hearst
Farouk, Rockefeller - the real Rockefeller
My main bitch Leona, pour out a little Louis the 13th
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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Synthe]
    #19394468 - 01/09/14 04:26 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

:lolwut:


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Legend]
    #19394474 - 01/09/14 04:27 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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A revolution



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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: Asante]
    #19396131 - 01/09/14 09:50 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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A big protest that is violently suppressed, leading to bigger outrage and mass protesting all over the country...

YOU get off your ass and into the street, and protest, riot and post pics and random footage to the internet from the barricades for the world to see.

The state of emergency is declared but protests are beyond critical mass

The media reporting cops, national guard and soldiers crossing over to side with the protesters, first singlew ones, then whole platoons, armoured cars..

Mutiny in the armed forces, naval vessels and forts choosing sides and siding with the people..

The chain of command finds ityself opposed by the majority of its armed forces and new elections are called. 




Hmmm...this sounds quite similar to how the civil war in Syria began...and that resulted in mass death and isn't ending anytime soon. Doesn't sound like a good idea.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: hockeyplyr1057]
    #19396202 - 01/09/14 10:11 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Pick a party other than Rep/Dem, they're cut from the same cloth; maybe some real change would occur then  :shrug:

Or.. if everybody just said fuck it and didn't vote, I'd like to see the outcome of that.


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Re: How to overthrow the American govt. [Re: hockeyplyr1057]
    #19396210 - 01/09/14 10:12 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Yeah that would end up in probably the ugliest civil war ever.  I really think the only way is for the majority of people to be educated on a humanist level.  People need to understand eachother and be prepared to trust in eachother's intentions.  It sounds ridiculous but it is the only way and something we should focus on just as much as climate change, war, and facebook. 

Just make a point to really know and understand people who are different, share yourself and what you know with others.  That is something the government obviously doesn't want us to do on our own terms, and not the sort of behavior the government engages in itself.  This is the way that sane and peaceful people must organize.  Just by being connected as brothers and sisters we have a strength that the government does not.

That is the only positive change I can envision.  More equality.  It seems impossible sometimes to believe that mass killings and wholesale exploitation will stop, even if the US government is toppled, but maybe it would slow down for a bit.  I can always dream.


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