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Possible Orellanine poisoning
    #19391277 - 01/08/14 11:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wasn't sure what thread I should have posted this in but I am deathly afraid I consumed the orellanine poison. I live in WA state and one night I decided to try some mushrooms for the first time. They were supposed to be cubensis. I consumed an 1/8th and nothing happened, I had no idea that these people had picked them outside!! I know it has been a while but two weeks later I experienced an onset of symptoms such as, severe kidney pain, nausea, chills. I went to the hospital and told them what I thought I had done and they checked my blood/urine for kidney function and all my tests came back normal. Nobody could figure out what was wrong and they sent me home with pain medication. The weird part was after two weeks of missing work the symptoms went away. I was able to continue working with no symptoms but an occasional kidney twinge maybe for a couple days and then it would subside. It has been almost two years since, I am 28 weeks pregnant and the SAME symptoms have hit me full blast. No chills though, no fever, EXCRUSHIATING flank/ kidney pain, nausea, vomiting in the morning but now I have nausea medication that has helped immensely. I get headaches, fatigue, the rest its hard to tell if its kidney symptoms or because of the pregnancy. I have been in the hospital for over a week and because im pregnant they cannot give me a cat scan, but my urine and blood keeps coming back normal! No sign of kidney failure, or infection and the doctors wont believe me. But I have never had any of these issues in my life until after I ate those mushrooms. The flank pain had started a little over a month ago and they thought I had kidney stones so they put a stint in me, then weeks later it came back full blast and now my other kidney seems to be catching the same pain. They took the stint out and the flank pain has yet to go away. It has been consistent for weeks and weeks and I don't know how much longer I can take it. All of my tests are normal, and that's the scariest part. So I guess what im asking is... Is it possible for orellanine poison to create symptoms, subside for a period of time, then have my pregnancy worsen the problem? Is it possible I could have lived for this long after consumption? I fear for my life and my daughters at this point... the pain is so bad I feel as if im dying.


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: lauren31456]
    #19391308 - 01/08/14 11:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm very sorry for the pain you're experiencing. I wish nothing but the best for you and your soon to be born daughter.

I do not think it is Orellanine. Far too much time has passed, as far as i know.
You're not actually experiencing renal failure, just pain in the kidneys?


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: Dr.Tooty]
    #19391318 - 01/09/14 12:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hope with all my heart you are right, I feel as if at this point nobody can help me, I feel so lost and frustrated. I can barely sleep at night  because the pain is so bad I have to sleep sitting up. My fear is that since its a slow acting poison it has caused some sort of nephritis in my kidneys and its just slowly progressing. but I wont know anything, or receive any treatment until after the pregnancy. But I cant go another two months like this!


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: lauren31456] * 1
    #19391350 - 01/09/14 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh dear...Well in that case i'll play web MD for a moment. Also, wait around and check back often, we have people with "trusted identifier badges" they are very knowledgeable and should be able to quell any doubts you may have about Orellanine poisoning.

Anyways...Kidney pains, or any pain on the lower back can be a sign of kidney stones. do you drink a lot of soda or particularly hard water?

Also, have you looked into gestational diabetes? that would explain some of the other symptoms and is pretty common.


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: Dr.Tooty]
    #19391352 - 01/09/14 12:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It does not sound like orellanine poisoning.  But even if it was, so much time has passed that you couldn't do anything about it.

The percentage of mushrooms in Washington state that contain orellanine is far less than one percent.  It's extremely unlikely that someone found some and gave them to you.  Since you did not trip or get sick immediately, the mushrooms you ate were probably inactive and nontoxic.  Something like Agrocybe or Tubaria.

I do not think your health issues were caused by the mushrooms, as the issues you describe don't have much overlap with the symptoms of various mushroom toxins.

I have no idea what is causing you pain, but I do think that a correctly worded google search would return relevant results.


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: Dr.Tooty]
    #19391382 - 01/09/14 12:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't drink anything but water, and ive been on google nonstop torturing myself, but I cant ever find a straight answer as to how long its possible to live with it without treatment, or how slow the process could be if I did not consume a lot. I just know that orellanine is the most complicated to diagnose and takes the longest or onset of symptoms to occur and that orellanine can cause nephritis and diabetes because of the decreasing function of the kidneys.


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: lauren31456]
    #19391429 - 01/09/14 12:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Did you save any of the mushrooms you ate, or is there any way you can get more of them?


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19391445 - 01/09/14 12:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No I tried to at first but they had tossed them because they were useless. He thought they were defective because he let them dry next to a fire, and that maybe the heat was to much. And it has been so long ago I barely remember what they looked like at all.


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19391514 - 01/09/14 12:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

and you said very little percentage, does this include the cortinarius species??


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: lauren31456]
    #19391609 - 01/09/14 01:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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and you said very little percentage, does this include the cortinarius species??





I am not sure if any of the Cortinarius species from Washington contain orellanine.  Dimitar would know.


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: lauren31456]
    #19391768 - 01/09/14 02:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

To put it bluntly, if it was orellanine poisoning, after two years, you would most definitely be dead already.
I have researched this compound quite a bit in the past, and there are no cases with that long of an incubation period. It is possible they would go undiagnosed because of the length of time in between, but it's extremely unlikely.
And you say you have been in the hospital for over a week with your current symptoms. Again, a week after the second set of symptoms show, you would definitely be dead.
But the symptoms you have could be a sign of a serious medical condition, a beginning of one, or they could be 'phantom pains'. I had occasional pains in my kidney area that would come and go for months, couldn't be diagnosed, the doctors said they were 'phantom pains' and apparently not serious. 
Whatever it is, I wish you a quick and complete recovery, and all the best with your baby!


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: Tangich]
    #19391848 - 01/09/14 02:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

as a father of 3, I understand how bad some pregnancies can be...
from a 3rd party view admittedly, but this sounds normal. (bad normal, but normal)


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: tropicalfrenzy]
    #19393385 - 01/09/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Try not to scare yourself about the fungi.
Sorry your in so much pain,but
I really don't think it's the mushrooms.
I have seen mushroom poisoning first hand
and their is no doubt when you get it. :projectile:


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: Lepkaun]
    #19395356 - 01/09/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you, you guys are giving me more hope. Its just so hard to calm myself down.. Especially since I found out cubensis don't even grow in Washington state?? Makes me feel guilty and dumb for taking mushrooms from people who obviously don't know what the he'll they were doing.


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: lauren31456]
    #19395822 - 01/09/14 08:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with the others, the mushrooms are not to blame.


As someone who has been sick for years (previously not knowing what is going on) its scary! and I hope you get better op. Cubensis grows in closets in washington state :shrug:
I would consider seeing an ND (natropathic doctor) It was two years of heavy tests and hardcore drugs before a few simple solutions presented by my new ND. I mean multiple cat scans MRIs ect. Hang in there, my sickness is subsiding and i know how it feels to be feeling absolute dread, its an awful thing. You will be in my thoughts and prayers (if thats not too weird haha. I really hope you get better soon!

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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: Joust]
    #19396427 - 01/09/14 11:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

From what I have learned

Orellanine Poisoning: Delayed Onset Renal Failure

Onset 3 days  to three weeks, average 8 days

Symptoms: Nausea , vomiting, lethargy, anorexia, frequent urination


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: Fungi01]
    #19397381 - 01/10/14 05:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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...anorexia....




I am not trying to be rude, just curious, how can an eating disorder be associated to orellanine poisoning?


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: Stopwhispering]
    #19397397 - 01/10/14 05:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Fungi01 said:
...anorexia....




I am not trying to be rude, just curious, how can an eating disorder be associated to orellanine poisoning?




I think it is only talk of loss of appetite.

On the other hand, extreme thirst is one of the symptoms occurring
as the renal failure sets in.


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: Anglerfish]
    #19397404 - 01/10/14 05:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Anglerfish said:
Quote:

Stopwhispering said:
Quote:

Fungi01 said:
...anorexia....




I am not trying to be rude, just curious, how can an eating disorder be associated to orellanine poisoning?




I think it is only talk of loss of appetite.

On the other hand, extreme thirst is one of the symptoms occurring
as the renal failure sets in.




I assumed as much, however the word used does not fit.


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Re: Possible Orellanine poisoning [Re: Stopwhispering]
    #19397462 - 01/10/14 06:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Stopwhispering said:
Quote:

Fungi01 said:
...anorexia....




I am not trying to be rude, just curious, how can an eating disorder be associated to orellanine poisoning?



"Anorexia" is a symptom, "anorexia nervosa" is an eating disorder.


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