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cronicr



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Re: Gymnopilus slow grain colonization [Re: AEL1911]
#19390287 - 01/08/14 07:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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wheat is fine, not a fan of corn these days lol, so what are your plans after colonization?
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: Gymnopilus slow grain colonization [Re: cronicr]
#19390569 - 01/08/14 08:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didnt see your in Japan!! Do you hunt mushrooms too? Theres some awesome rare ones we'd love to see!! Like Psilocybe subcaerulipes and Psilocybe venenata !
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psylosymonreturns said: I didnt see your in Japan!! Do you hunt mushrooms too? Theres some awesome rare ones we'd love to see!! Like Psilocybe subcaerulipes and Psilocybe venenata !
I was hunting a lot towards the end of summer and into fall. I've stopped due to the weather not being inducive to mushrooms growing. Yes I'd also love to see some psilocybe as well.
I'm sure I passed up on some edibles, but it's hard to identify species. Well I know spring will be nice since I'm familiar with some spots. I'm sure I'll be posting on the hunting forum when it warms up.
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Re: Gymnopilus slow grain colonization [Re: cronicr]
#19390855 - 01/08/14 09:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: wheat is fine, not a fan of corn these days lol, so what are your plans after colonization?
Spawn to bulk (supplemented wood chips) Eventually I'll put the bulk trays in my SGFC to fruit. It's not as much bulk as some people.
The grains look good enough today. I'm soaking my chips now and I'll pasteurize the sub when I get home.
Edited by AEL1911 (01/09/14 01:21 AM)
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cronicr



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Re: Gymnopilus slow grain colonization [Re: AEL1911]
#19390868 - 01/08/14 10:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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what type of supplement?
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Re: Gymnopilus slow grain colonization [Re: cronicr]
#19390905 - 01/08/14 10:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rice bran. The whole sub is beech chips, shredded oak, gypsum, rice hulls (instead of verm) and rice bran.
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Re: Gymnopilus slow grain colonization [Re: AEL1911]
#19391012 - 01/08/14 10:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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then shouldn't you be sterilizing that mix?
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: Gymnopilus slow grain colonization [Re: cronicr]
#19391166 - 01/08/14 11:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya if your messing with supplementing , it takes like 3 hours at 15 psi. It has to be sterilized.
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Yah I guess I'm not clear about it. I've heard sterilize anything with BRF or bran but then I've read to not sterilize bulk sub. I wanted to add the bran to allow faster colonization, but do I not need it? My ratio is about 1:10. This is my first time with grain spawn.
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Re: Gymnopilus slow grain colonization [Re: AEL1911]
#19391456 - 01/09/14 12:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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subs like manure shouldn't be sterilzed, but i wouldn't say bran is needed but it helps, i fruited my luteoviridus on simple chips and grain but i think i could have done better with suppliments
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Re: Gymnopilus slow grain colonization [Re: cronicr]
#19391491 - 01/09/14 12:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yah now that I think about it I think the posts I read where someone cultivated gyms, they sterilized their supplemented substrate. So what about this"we don't want to kill beneficial bacteria in the sub" This doesn't apply to wood? So basically with bran, sterilize Without bran pick your nose and butt or pasteurize.
If I sterilize the sub I only have a glovebox for "sterile" spawning. Maybe I should put the bran back in the bag.
Edited by AEL1911 (01/09/14 01:21 AM)
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Re: Gymnopilus slow grain colonization [Re: AEL1911]
#19392640 - 01/09/14 08:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No that does not apply to wood.
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FAIL!!!

Ok so I decided to spawn the grain to pasteurized supplemented wood based substrate. After 8 days one container smelled like gym socks and the other smelled sour.
There goes 30 days of grain colonization and 8 days of mold growth down the drain. Oh well.
Initially I was surprised to hear in one of the previous posts to sterilize at 15psi for about 3 hours. I did read on another website that wood heats up slowly. Is this the reason for the long cooking?
So If I sterilize the substrate in jars then transfer that substrate into a plastic container(that was in boiling water) and spawn the substrate with WBS inside a glovebox, would my chances of contamination drop significantly enough to allow for full colonization?
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Re: Gymnopilus slow grain colonization [Re: AEL1911]
#19436933 - 01/18/14 09:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you were planning on growing these indoors, pasturization is not enough. Its the supplements, like I originally told you, that really needs the 3 hours. I know this from shiitake cultivation, and you are from Japan, you guys invented this shit!! 
I would put it outside in a flower pot and let nature do its thing, maybe a few grains will still be ok and be able to leap off. Once outdoors the fresh air will either make it or break it. Its better then letting it rot inside.
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It's outside in a trash bag because it stinks and I was afraid to contaminate my room. It's been pretty cold out lately but maybe I can put it in a pot with some potting soil and neglect tek it.
About shiitake most hardware stores sell a 3 ft oak log with colonized dowels already in. It costs roughly $7 U.S
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