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rickjamez20
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Messed up BRF Ratio, help please
#19390727 - 01/08/14 09:26 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Ok so my problem is this: I screwed up the verm/brf/water ratio. Its supposed to be 2 verm, 1 water, 1 brf. But I did 2 verm 1/2 water 1/2 brf by mistake. It was too late because I already cooked my jars when I noticed this problem . They may still work, they look like jars I've made in the past. But since there's really no way to add more brf, I'm not going to. But I can add water, right? I was thinking I could use a still-air box, open the lid really fast and pour in the water it should have gotten. Then continue on with inoculation. It's worth a shot right? I was thinking that the extra verm in the cake will help with more water absorption.
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: rickjamez20]
#19390767 - 01/08/14 09:35 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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a little on the dry side is better then a little on the wet side
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rickjamez20
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: cronicr]
#19390791 - 01/08/14 09:40 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yah I thought that also. I guess I'll just see how it goes. Because I'm certainly not going to make this mistake again. I'm going to add water and innoc like I said, just to see what's going to happen.
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: rickjamez20]
#19391037 - 01/08/14 10:38 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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If you made standard PF Tek cakes with the dry vermiculite layer on top, how do you plan to get that water thru the dry verm and down into the half-wetted BRF/verm layer?
And if it even is possible to do that, it is doubtful that the extra water will evenly mix with the BRF/verm layer.
You COULD: Open the jar, pour off and save the dry verm (or chuck it), pour out the half-wet BRF/verm mix in a bowl and REMIX it with more BRF and water (to make the ratio correct). Refill the jars, re-do dry verm layer and re-PC or steam sterilize again.
OR: just knock them up as-is but I honestly feel that having only half the water in that PF mix is a bit too dry.
Good Luck
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: rickjamez20]
#19391047 - 01/08/14 10:43 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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rickjamez20 said: But since there's really no way to add more brf, I'm not going to.
There really is a way ^^^ 
You could start all over but it would be faster to just empty the jars and re-mix them...
Just my $.02!!!
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that would be a sticky mess to remix if it's already sterilized
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: cronicr]
#19391112 - 01/08/14 11:03 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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cronicr said: that would be a sticky mess to remix if it's already sterilized
Yea, true that. Cooked rice gets sticky. Good point.
In any case, I definitely feel that opening up the jars and trying to add water to them is asking for trouble.
To the OP: I'd even go so far as to recommend starting over from scratch if you spent money on a spore syringe for these jars. If it's your own spores, then no big loss to just knock them up as-is and see what happens.
Edited by OldDirtyBathrobe (01/08/14 11:06 PM)
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yeah adding water after the fact doesn't sound like a good route to go, would be near impossible to get it evenly done, i would make sure the lid is sorta lose, stick the syringe in one hole and just 360 inoculate and pray(or start over lol)
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: cronicr]
#19391125 - 01/08/14 11:07 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Sounds like a big pain in the ass if you decide to keep them. I've been staring at six made like that for the past week waiting to see if anything happens.
Everyone screws up like that sometimes, especially in bulk productions for some reason. 
Seriously, not just growing mushrooms, I've seen chemists meticulously fuck up 100 vials of samples at a time.
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: Quexl]
#19391132 - 01/08/14 11:09 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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i fuck my coffee up at least 3 times a week..such a noob
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: cronicr]
#19391154 - 01/08/14 11:12 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Too dry. Toss em. Rice is cheap.
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: cronicr]
#19391175 - 01/08/14 11:19 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Its only for 2 jars. It's a small grow. Also I don't use a dry verm layer in my cakes, many of you probably disagree with this, but I haven't gotten a single contam yet *knock on wood*, from over 10 grows. I'm not mixing anything, I already added a little water and innoc'd them. We'll see how it goes, I'm not really worried about 2 jars worth of spores, I have more. If nothing in 2 weeks or so, I'm going to give up on them and start again with the correct ratio that has worked every time. Since I've never fucked up like this, I really want to see what these jars are going to do, it will be a learning experience.
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: rickjamez20]
#19391186 - 01/08/14 11:22 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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just star more anyway, i bet they do fine, if you got a little too much water it will take a little longer, not enough n your gonna dunk anyway good luck and let us know how it goes
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: cronicr]
#19391198 - 01/08/14 11:24 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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I plan on it. I'll report back in this thread in 2 weeks or earlier if I see growth. Good luck to everyone with their current grows as well .
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: cronicr]
#19391224 - 01/08/14 11:32 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yea, no doubt. Nothing wrong with a little experiment, and it would be real cool to see the results. I was thinking maybe you had 10-12 jars or something. Not so bad with just a couple jars, good luck with 'em!
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I bet they'll grow fine, just won't yield as much. I once accidentally made one with equal amounts of verm and brf, it was like a brick and took months to colonise, but even that turned out ok.
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rickjamez20
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: Pyropastie]
#19437789 - 01/18/14 12:58 PM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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Well both jars are showing growth right now, no contams. I'll just wait and see how much longer they'll take to colonize, compared to normal ratio jars.
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: rickjamez20]
#19437960 - 01/18/14 01:44 PM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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So you did end up opening the jars and adding more water? I woulda left 'em as they were and just added a little extra spore solution. Keep us updated.
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rickjamez20
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Re: Messed up BRF Ratio, help please [Re: vikingsc]
#19438463 - 01/18/14 03:46 PM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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I did open them and add water in my glove box
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