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NitroCat
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First Grow (Log kinda)
#19390106 - 01/08/14 07:26 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Hallo! Newbie to mycology that just started her first grow here. Cakes are currently in the incubator, going to give them a couple days to start their colony before I take them out from the warmth of their blanketed home.
Anyway, it's fairly stock-standard PF-tek, admittedly with self healing lids. Steamed for 90 minutes on the stove, in two different pans (Pressure cooker being purchased soon, the unit I'm looking at http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000BYCFU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER if there are any suggestions around the same price range, or a compelling argument for more money into another unit I'll be glad to take them )

After they were sterilized, they were then inoculated with ~ 2ccs each of spore solution each, inside a admittedly poor attempt of a SAB of the fruiting chamber-to-be flipped over onto a table after being thoroughly cleaned and misted inside with 70% iso alcohol (No pictures of this handy, sorry!) Lids are admittedly much sloppier then I'd like, but their creation was a learning experience.
Followed by loading into the incubator


And covering with a blanket or two

Afterwards assuming they don't get killed by contaims or otherwise, they shall be separated, some fruited directly while others are going to be cased (Most likely standard 50/50)
I already have some planned improvements that are not just the PC, making new lids and making sure they're much cleaner in their assembly, also might look for some SFDs and plastic lids for this. A glove box is also already planned and in the works, merely waiting to be sourced and assembled.
*Edit1* Missed a word or two, fixed typo
Edited by NitroCat (01/08/14 07:27 PM)
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19390128 - 01/08/14 07:30 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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make it a still air box not glove box, you wanna be able to flame outside the box and how nice of you to put a blanket on the, may i ask y though?
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: cronicr]
#19390142 - 01/08/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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To help the chamber reach a consistent internal temp while hopefully using less power, it's a better insulator than nothing. And that is a good point about the box, makes it easier anyway.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19390172 - 01/08/14 07:39 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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unless your house is really cold room temp is fine.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19390208 - 01/08/14 07:44 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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That PC looks pretty nice for $80. Holds 7 quart jars.
Only thing ODB doesn't like about it is the rubber seal.
But....the equivalent AA PC with metal to metal seal might run over twice as much
The AA930 PC is a beast. PC up to 14 quarts and you can water bath pasteurize 10 quart jars of bulk sub in it too
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: MudaFuka]
#19390211 - 01/08/14 07:45 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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The room drops into the low 60's if not lower poorly insulated apartment during a cold snap, and it's a room with out airflow. Also no one is home during the night and the heater is left off to spare bills lightly. I'll probably stop using the tub in a tub when the cold snap breaks, if they're not done by then
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19390264 - 01/08/14 07:53 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Below 60 ur doing the right thing 65 and above it's ok to not have an incubator good luck and welcome what strain are u useing!
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19390268 - 01/08/14 07:54 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
NOTFALL3N said: Below 60 ur doing the right thing 65 and above it's ok to not have an incubator good luck and welcome what strainVARIETY are u useing!
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19390357 - 01/08/14 08:10 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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The room is dropping under 65 for sure, it's adjacent to outside walls and has no airflow to help fight that. As to the variety/subvariety/strain/boondoggle, Brazilian, Colombian, and EQ. Bought one of the bigger specials provided by one of shroomery's sponsors, chirstmas gift to my self and gives me plenty of material to let myself experiment and fail a little while not having to deal with getting more. I also have GT, B+ and Oak Ridge floating around waiting for me to get a PC and more jars going. Will probably pick some bird seed or rye berries up near the same time and give that a try as well.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19390642 - 01/08/14 09:09 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Good luck
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NOTFALL3N]
#19390789 - 01/08/14 09:40 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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NOTFALL3N said: Good luck
Thank you! It's appreciated Little worried that the jars were penetrated by water while steaming, but we'll find out soon enough.
Going to give that PC I linked a try I think, I was looking at a AA one, but I really can't sneak that in this pay check. Worst comes to worst it blows a seal and I either maintain that, and/or get a AA in a couple months, assuming nothing else eats my discretionary funding at that point.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19391145 - 01/08/14 11:10 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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NitroCat said: I also have GT, B+ and Oak Ridge floating around waiting for me to get a PC and more jars going. Will probably pick some bird seed or rye berries up near the same time and give that a try as well.
You didn't get them Oak Ridge from a vendor did you? Thought they only could be obtained through trades Regardless, it looks to me like yer off to a good start.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19391195 - 01/08/14 11:24 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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i want oak ridge
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: cronicr]
#19391203 - 01/08/14 11:26 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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cronicr said: i want oak ridge:( 
Really the only cube variety left that I want
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19391217 - 01/08/14 11:31 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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The vendor in question only offers them for free. They're going to be in my next batch either way, if you two want me to attempt to get you both a print, I'll be more than happy to! Was planning on trying to get a couple from this round to get a feel for it anyway.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19391220 - 01/08/14 11:32 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: cronicr]
#19391226 - 01/08/14 11:32 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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lol just keep us posted on your grow
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: cronicr]
#19391246 - 01/08/14 11:41 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19406426 - 01/12/14 12:18 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Pressure cooker in! Did a few more BRF cakes last night, sick kept me in the house and too lazy to actually get grain or anything to make it interesting. Some growth showing, will have pictures to post soon.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19406887 - 01/12/14 04:36 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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And now for pictures! Batch of new BRF jars, seeing as I didn't get out to do most of my shopping
 Made 2-1-1, for some reason to batch of substrate my friend mixed while I was busy from the same ratio came out wetter, need to see who's measuring oddly. Loaded into the new PC

Concerned that I used either entirely too much water, or too little space between the jars and the cooker's bottom.
Annnd steaming away glamor shot

Enough of the boring, uneventful stuff though - have what is hopefully healthy growth!
Mass pyramid glamor shot

With... Close ups! (Both jars fully visible Cambodian )


Well thats kinda close, but I think we can go de-closer! ( Brazilian top image, Cambodian to the left of Brazilian for the bottom)


This jar ended up being packed in a miss-communication, but it at least seems to be giving it a try. (Brazilian)

For those that care about the perceived performance of different varieties; Brazilian appears to be colonizing the "fastest" at least from what can currently be observed
Cambodian appears to be following closly, with Eq following up last... But given the inconsistencies in the jars themselves (Some of the tops were botched and gas flow is minimized) as well as in the quantity and density of mix in each jar... I feel that all of that should be roughly taken with a grain of salt.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19407027 - 01/12/14 05:57 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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Love watching the progression.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: Mo_Mo]
#19407093 - 01/12/14 06:39 AM (10 years, 19 days ago) |
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It really is. So far, of the jars I've Steamed/PC'd, 6 or so were rejected outright (flooded with water), and all but two are showing growth (Of the batch that's had time to, at least!). Those that are not showing any growth are in jars that we're cocked up from the get go.. Accidently the air exchange hole with solid silicone, which does admittedly make me wonder if placing a backing on either/both side(s) of the injection ports could make it more stable to use
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19412997 - 01/13/14 03:46 PM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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I do have a couple questions though, namely just wondering how other's would go about fruiting these cakes. I have a ton of verm and a few bricks of coir, ad well as a large tub that's been tentatively reserved for a SGFC. Basically just debating if I should dunk-roll them all, or if I want to make the effort in casing. Considering I have a few cakes I'm leaning towards the option of "Both"
But either way, anyone have a suggestion for what to do with the packed-cake? I wasn't planning on rushing it out to birth based on surface colonization, just because it'd take at least as long as the rest all said and done to consolidate.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19415828 - 01/14/14 04:42 AM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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Popping back in because I have something a little odd. I checked my new cakes tonight and noticed some large, purple-black dots and splotches near sites of what might be potential growth


One thing I did notice and am extracting most likely vain hope from is the splotting is all in a path where material would land during innoc, and the syringe uses was very, very black-purple with what I'd hoped to be spores. Of the jars in here, only two of the three done with this spore syringe are showing the discoloraition. Nine were done in total this batch, with each set of three on it's own supplied syringe and needle, which should help keep cross contamination down, and none of the other provided samples have shown the same discolouration.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19415966 - 01/14/14 05:47 AM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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It could definitely be a cluster of spores or It could also be a part of in-colonized verm or something, so of the verm has black stuff and other organic materials. When I did mine I had the same black spec now it's my jar with the most growth.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19415985 - 01/14/14 05:58 AM (10 years, 17 days ago) |
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I see no dry verm barrier. and those pics looks pretty wet to me.
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Quote:
spacechildo said: I see no dry verm barrier. and those pics looks pretty wet to me.
OP is using ship and tyvek. Still I agree that it looks quite wet.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19417704 - 01/14/14 02:53 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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Lack of dry verm is intentional. I'll agree they're a bit wet, there was probably some unintended water penetration while they were PCing, and a few of the jars just ended up abnormally wet. I didn't get any good pictures of it, but the splottyness was pretty clearly not in the substrate. It kinda clung to where the fluid had dripped. Thanks for the assurance on it! The older jars are all going pretty happyly so far, might try and snag some pics when I get home tonight
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19429287 - 01/16/14 05:25 PM (10 years, 14 days ago) |
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Fresh pictures! Triple pyramid, all the jars actively showing what looks like strong, healthy growth. In the tall jars; On the left - Oak Ridge On the right - B+

And the... Box of Shame. In this box are all innoc'd jars which are showing minimal at best growth

While I want to blame anything but the spores here, we have 5 jars (Of -six-) all of the same (sub)variety, and they do seem to be lagging. Guess that syringe wasn't a particularly good ticket for the genetic lottery.
On the note of comparing varieties, I'm at a loss for a *objective* measure of potency. The only viable solution I've come to would be to attempt a solvent extract and then triturate it with something that'd precipitate it as a insoluble salt... Of course, I have no idea how to approach the extraction at the moment in a way that'd at least preserve a useful ratio (Anything used for testing in this way will most likely be inedible.) and can't think of a good compound to attempt the reduction. The only reason I'm not going with "Just eat them" as a measurement of potency is that is entirely too variable to make a objective test, setting, mood and tolerance can all make a one milligram dose (Lets just pretend that is the quantity of active compounds in our hypothetical dose of dried mushroom)seem dramatically more or less potent.
Of course, any of that will take some dedicated, most likely very expensive equipment (A good buret alone will cost me more then my current and planned near-future grow setup) and sourcing some of it will most likely be a utter pain. All of that assuming that I can even find or have the needed skill to chemically analyze the samples, putting it off in the "Fun, but probably not happening soon" category of ideas.
Probably going to do one 'last' full batch of cakes this weekend, or be grabbing some WBS (Or both ). If it's cakes, it'll probably be a 2 jar pre (sub)variety race of all six I have on hand, if anyone would be interested in such a thing. Weighed out substrate and probably all mixed in one big batch to help remove variables from the system.
Ninja edit! Leaning towards stuffing the cake in some sort of casing/tub when that time comes. The tub I'd intended to use for a SGFC is big enough it's really calling to be to become a SAB, to help it embrace... Destiny. :V Sorry little sick and hydrophone makes me weirder
Edited by NitroCat (01/16/14 06:07 PM)
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19433373 - 01/17/14 02:01 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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Hahah... Well, looks like I may have a contaminate issue; One of the Eq jars has a handful of menacing looking black pins in it that really do not healthy, the jar is also nowhere near 100%. Will try and snag a good pic or two this weekend.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19433385 - 01/17/14 02:06 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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that sux nuts
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19433787 - 01/17/14 03:36 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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It is what it is, I probably got a few filters wet and that's where I'd put the "biting me in the ass" money :V The potential contaim jar is gonna make me bang out some WBS and whatever else I can over the weekend though. If a hole saw throws itself at me I'll get my SAB set up.
Hey, at least the fuck-ups doing this don't want to try and eat (explode) my fingers, so it's all fine so far <,,<
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19434176 - 01/17/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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Make sure the black pins aren't a cluster of spores before anything rash is done.
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I'm letting it go for a bit, the jar in question has been separated from the rest. It's on one of the first-generation jars and is very clearly new growth. The clearest one last night was a black dot about... 1/16th" in diameter and clearly connected to the myc, with a few more pins scattered in the jar, a few of them in a cluster at the bottom-curve.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19434419 - 01/17/14 06:06 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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does it look like
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No, I had a couple of those in a new jar. It's very clearly growing up from the jar. Asking my assisting friend to snap a picture. They're not trapped at work at the moment and reported that the pins are apparently multiplying
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19434513 - 01/17/14 06:34 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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Umm, sounds like a contamination :/ sorry man, I would deff stick it out and see how it goes.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19434648 - 01/17/14 07:12 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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Kinda figured it was last night. It thankfully was the one and only jar showing them last I looked, and it was lagging behind the rest in terms of colonization anyway. Live and learn and all that. Also hole saws are stunningly cheap, so odds are I'm going to try and get the SAB done tomorrow and knock another batch or two up.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19434735 - 01/17/14 07:30 PM (10 years, 13 days ago) |
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it could just be a bunch of clusters so dont count your eggs before they hatch, nature works in mysterious ways. keep us updated and send those pics in so we can look.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19441247 - 01/19/14 05:48 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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Cake in question, couldn't manage a good picture until today >_> Feeling a bit better about it now, really. Looking back at these first few cakes, oh god were my substrates waaaay over hydrated. D:
Haven't gone out and gotten grain yet, but did start a few more BRF jars tonight. Almost out of BRF so I'll be discontinuing them sooner than later <,,< Like say, tomorrow. As long as I don't sleep through the entire damned day again :V New jars should be a looot better preforming than their counter parts of the last couple generations.
They're in the wide and short half-pints rather then the tall/widemouthed ones of the last batch. The air filter hole's been expanded to a full 3/4" compared to the 1/4 of the last few, and is siliconed on much, much, much cleaner with better airflow.
Will be knocking them up tomorrow sometime, throwing two of each variety I have on hand out into the field, expect slightly more analytical notetaking hopefully~
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19441322 - 01/19/14 06:35 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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The last jar looks overly wet, not so much contaminated but it'll head that direction for sure.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: Tabensis]
#19441389 - 01/19/14 07:10 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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Yeah, I'd already called myself on that one. I was using entirely too much water, and I'd had finer verm than I'd like, new ones were all done in a coarser one with a fair bit less water, will try and snag a pic or two before innoc tomorrow!
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19441630 - 01/19/14 09:01 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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I'm new here, but I have been lurking a while and I am not sure what tek your using? Because your preparing your jars like WBS or RYE and you are doing BRF cakes........ You will have success following this tek to the point. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613#11585613 check the video out.. http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek (this ones outdated but a little more in depth for you.. http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek) layer of verm on top of your brf cake is what protects it from contams and what not, the wholes on the top should not be covered. The last picture you posted looked like it would end up contaminated my advice throw out now Just trying to help you save some time, and reduce or contam rates, those bigger jars are more prone to contam especially when you are not using a top verm layer.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19441643 - 01/19/14 09:05 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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NitroCat said:

That looks contaminated with multiple molds/bacteria....
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I've actually read over each and every one of those links a few times now, but they're admittedly where a lot of my thinking is coming from. I'm a fairly "Learn by doing" person, and figure even a massively cocked up cake is less likely to kill me than some of the other shit I used to play with..
As to the dry verm and that one jar.. For the filter normally provided by verm I'm using these http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10628004 or something roughly based off of it. And the jar is isolated from the rest at the moment, the black spots while disturbing have at the very least not growing in number.. And the growth is otherwise looking rather positive. I'll honestly be happy if I get anything out of any of the jars in that batch; They're all massively over hydrated, using fine verm, and quite a few got jostled to the point of getting packed at one point or another. (Steaming in unstable boilers was a biiig contributor) Running a nice, big PC now which is doing wonders for the overhydration and compacting issues.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: slh980]
#19441672 - 01/19/14 09:15 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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I only counted one (very) possible mold (What I'd been discussing as possible black-pin on page 2), but do see a few things that could be bacterial.. Sadly I've seen the possible bacteria specks on a few of the jars down with that syringe.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19441684 - 01/19/14 09:19 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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Something I found helped me was mixing the water and vermiculite first before adding your flour, it makes for a much more consistent substrate.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: Tabensis]
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Was already doing that! ^^ The batches made using the coarser verm look much, much, much nicer on the hydration front. 12 of those in the PC waiting for me to go and innoc them, might go do that after another cup of coffee
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19443121 - 01/19/14 03:15 PM (10 years, 11 days ago) |
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Well, sorry to bump this up again but I found out a major cause of my issues... I'm not exactly sure -how- yet, but every jar from the last batch had been massively penetrated by water. Filters soaked, cakes a solid puck of over hydrated verm and flour.
My personal theory is I'm fucking up the foil. No jars survived this round and there had been a massive effort to standardize the foil seals, on the plus side I guess that showed me I still have a problem neatly sealing foil against something. Jumping to my foiling because in this last batch's case, the jars were barely in direct contact with the water (About a half inch or so at the most), double stacked with each lid being ruined and the substrate FAR wetter than I'd initially put it in.
If anyone has a link to a foiling tek, I'll gladdly take it, otherwise going to be looking at that part of other teks and seeing if I can spot my fuckup.
Any other ideas or suggestions greatly appreciated.
*Edit*
Thinking on it, it might well be my innoc ports or the like being too spiky and shoving the foil out of place and or tearing it when I attempt to tighten it down >_>
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
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yep the ports will do it, but also make sure your not boiling too hard, a nice slow rolling boil is all that is needed
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: cronicr]
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That is a possibility. The last batch was spaced heavily from the bottom using spare rings under the rack though, I'd have thought that'd make a rolling boil less of a issue, also wouldn't the bubble formation in a pressure cooker be smaller anyway? Or am I utterly fucking up my inhead thermo and fluid dynamics
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
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if you pc'd then it's your lids tearing the foil, try micropore tape
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: cronicr]
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Micropore can just be put over the filter and it'd be protected? Or did I misread that?
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
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yep micrpore tape your injection holes and put your foil on
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
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I'll give it a try Will be a proper pain to rip the old ports out D:
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19448120 - 01/20/14 02:58 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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Add less water to your PC or raise your jars, but never should your jars be sitting directly on the bottom.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: Tabensis]
#19448761 - 01/20/14 05:28 PM (10 years, 10 days ago) |
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They never have! I added three quarts, the water level suggested by the PC for a cycle. The rack was elevated on spare rings to point the waterline barely came up the the base of the jars. Looking at my foils compared to a few others, it was possibly catching water and encouraging condensation on the bottom of the foil while not letting gasses escape sufficiently and thus causing the filter to just turn into a water-pass.
Trying a different approach to it, PC is going to be cracked for inoculation after work tonight ^,,^ 8 BRF Jars, threw in 8 pint jars of Spelt/Millet (Mostly spelt) as well because it was the closest either store I stopped by seemed to have to straight up rye grain.
*edit* Typos and spelling :V
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19453727 - 01/21/14 04:40 PM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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Well, sadly the last PC cycle and pile of supplies were lost to my idea for foils being the exact, utter opposite of right. I thought they were too lose, then I saw pics of stuff like Frank PCing jars of grain with exposed polyfil and went "...welp" seeing as mine were already in the cooker.
Ah well, lesson learned! And here's the pics for troubleshooting's sake.
Cake mix! :V

Lids, assembled, dry and clean D:

And then... Disappointment (If someone tells me there were fine I'm going to be so pissed at myself for trashing em)


Broken cake, to show texture D:
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19457068 - 01/22/14 11:00 AM (10 years, 9 days ago) |
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your lids simply need holes in them. not all that extra, it needs to breathe during colonization... your cake looks fine just follow the TEK there's no need to break your cake up to show us just shoot that jar up and be patient, don't tip the jars upside down or look at them every day. Also is that your still air box? You don't need one really, but if your trying to G2G and such look up and create one its very simple and will decrease the contam rates.
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I broke them because everything had water penetration, unless you're saying wet tyvek is fine for a filter? Those were all tossed before being inoculated with anything, so cost essentially nothing. And no, it's not a SAB, it will be whenever I get a hole saw though.
The initial cakes are being left alone at this point aside from the occasional photo and are looking good (Aside from being way too damned wet). I guess "first grow" is a bit of a misnomer with this topic :p
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
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Where did you get those jars I can't find them anywhere.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
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I just don't understand why you have a pic saying "after pressure cook too wet "with the top off the jars not in a SAB that just ruins the sterilization you just did most likely... and the tops of those jars with the tyvek and shit is so not needed for cakes like that.
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Because I was in the process of throwing those unused materials in the trash. Hence why in the next few images is a trash can full of cakes and grain... I could have sworn I directly stated as much o,,o
The filters have preformed well when I didn't fuckup and soak them in the PC and there-by make them permeable to spores and other airborne contaminates. The tyvek being a fairly commonly used substitution for the normal, and at least equally delicate dry verm layer. (Citric's thread on the subject is the one I was initially utilizing as a reference, if you were curious.)
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Amazon.com, I'm lazy D: I think I've seen em at target too
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19509642 - 02/02/14 06:37 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pictureless update... Fruiting chamber going, smells so delicious I just want to eat the damned cakes. D:
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19509840 - 02/02/14 07:42 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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When doing up your brf jars, stick to the tek exactly. Drill the 4 holes in the lid with a dry verm layer for contams. No need for anything else. As for the tinfoil tek you're looking for, just tear off a square piece, wrap it over the top of the jar so the holes are covered, and squeeze it around the ring at the top...voila!
To eliminate your problems, eliminate the variables, keep it simple, like the tek
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: 1down5up]
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You're getting your water penetration from the water level in your PC. You've got it up near the ring on your jars man. It's evident on your first page of pics. The one that shows the jars in the pc....the water is up past the foil. Bring the level just over the insert. You only have to PC them for like 15-30 mins i believe. I know you have to boil them for 90 mins, but a PC works quicker than boiling.
I think that will solve your moisture problem.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: 1down5up]
#19511003 - 02/02/14 01:04 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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You should PC brf jars for closer to an hour, but the jars should be elevated out of the water for sure.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Thanks Pasty...couldn't remember the length of time
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: 1down5up]
#19511453 - 02/02/14 02:35 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Okay, will drop the time. They're already well out of the water (Now), but I'll drop the water level as well, the PC is always ending with a decent puddle left so I can probably spare plenty of that.
The first page showing the actually filled PC was maaaasively overfilled, even by PC instructions for pressure canning. I lost sight of the fill line and didn't think anything was wrong with as sick as I was at the time (Internal infections fucking suck).
Also thinking I managed to get a postal envelope that wasn't even tyvek, so going to grab some polyfil/easyfelt or spring for SFDs if the budget looks right to fix up those jars. Also grabbed some fresh lids for other options, as well as a big ass bag of WBS. Looking at frank's methods at the moment for how to go about working with that.
I wish this had a few less large time gaps between seeing results and different work steps, I'd have already had a couple different method's tested and refined for pyrochemical stuff, but that entire hobby is normally cut to "Wait overnight" at the most, compared to "Wait a week and see how badly you cocked up". So that's taking a little mental adjustment compared to my last procedural based interest V:
Thanks for the advise peeps! Not trying to shove anyone off and you've all been helpful. Next time jars are ran I'll try and get a full pictorial of how everything is actually being done at the moment so we're not all discussing old information. Might also start a new thread merely because a lot of what I'm doing has changed compared to the first couple pages >_>
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19512079 - 02/02/14 04:53 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would use the info i got from the help in this thread to refine my current situation before i go spending more money on things to try another for the first time....just sayin'
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
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:effort: post, but yay!
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19537253 - 02/07/14 10:18 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Trim your foil back. You want it to really just be enough to fit the cake on
Other than that congrats bro!
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19537303 - 02/07/14 10:27 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh, easy enough to fix that :V Thanks
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19544260 - 02/09/14 02:56 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Foil fixed, fruiter airflow massively improved, thanks!


teeny, tiny ones!
On the note of more :effort: posting, I was busy last night 
(Washing, was then transfered to my souppot)

Annnd hopefully these filters serve my a lot better than my postal maybe-tyvek ones did, a fuck of a lot easier to apply
Normal easy felt because thats what was in the budget, applied to both sides with gasket material, blahblahblah ^,,^
*ninja edit* There are more than those two cakes, they're just the ones that look impressive at the moment >_>
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19544331 - 02/09/14 03:16 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: cronicr]
#19545835 - 02/09/14 10:00 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, first batch of WBS jars are cooling, bit worried the second batch is over hydrated but we'll see in a hour and a half or so 
The cakes are all showing decent growth, and the ones I'd crumbled to coir/verm are all starting to get nice and colonized
The new lids are so much nicer, I have a bad feeling that I was literally using waxed poster board D:
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
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Rolling the hot jars around helps dissipate the moisture a little. It's prob too late now, but you can keep it in mind for the next round...
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: 1down5up]
#19546685 - 02/10/14 06:04 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Already did, they're sticking slightly to the glass but don't seem overly clumped, we'll see in the morning I suppose if it's too damning I suppose.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19546690 - 02/10/14 06:05 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mine were kinda the same man, they turned out ok, I'd hold out some hope yet
Now they look like this after 5 days.

EDIT: also, Frank has a link in his list of goodies about hydrating grains after they're colonized...so I'm guessing the colonization will eat up some of that moisture, provided they aren't too wet and clump, like you're saying, i think you're good.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: 1down5up]
#19548604 - 02/10/14 04:23 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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On another note, itty bitty fruits

And yeah, the grain seems fine, pinch on the damp side but the mycellium handled my first cakes which between the fine verm and over-hydration were all but mud >_> Six quarts and a couple pints were 'nocced last night, will be doing the rest of the batch tonight when I get home. All mutispore at the moment, will be picking up some agar soonish (Probably first paycheck of march) and fixing up my SAB. The holes are far less clean than I'd like, and honestly I want a bigger one than the ziplock tote I'd shamelessly butchered (The seal on it is damned sexy though, a soft-foam that compresses between the box and the lid)
Sorry about the rambling post, kinda rushed typing so my thoughts are a bit disjointed.
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19561990 - 02/13/14 03:02 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Less itty bitty fruits!




Grain jars aren't showing any action yet, but that's hardly shocking at all.
Have one last batch of cakes going, will be looking forward to kinda phasing them out... Also hardly worth snapping pics of >_>
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: NitroCat]
#19562255 - 02/13/14 04:20 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm on my last batch of cakes as well, tubs are colonizing now. Nice pinsets on some of those cakes man
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Re: First Grow (Log kinda) [Re: 1down5up]
#19562576 - 02/13/14 05:35 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks I'm debating giving a PanCake method I saw a while back a try when I get my hands on some manure, but I'll probably just end up doing that as a more normal bulk sub
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