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AkashicExplorer
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Dry Vs Fresh - Potency? How about both?
#19388536 - 01/08/14 02:53 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Hey folks!
So far I have only tripped on Dry shrooms, however, I heard that cubensis lose a lot of potency when dried, is that true?
I harvested 120 grams fresh from my very first growth. I am going to trip this Sunday on 5 grams (dry of course.) Those 120 grams were dried last week, so they have not been sitting forever. They are stored in a crystal jar with a sealable lid. They are cracker dry. They have been placed on a basket for three days and I had a fan blowing at them, so they dried without heat.
I want to experience fresh too, but is true that dried loses a lot of potency? I am on my second flush on my cakes, and there is already a few mushrooms in it (one of them is huge and the cap is fully open, so I figure I will need to harvest it very soon.)
How about eating fresh and dried? I do not how many fresh shrooms I will have by Sunday, as it is the 3rd day of the second flush, and my bulk tray is brand new, still has no pins. So what if I do, lets say I have 30 grams fresh, I eat those plus 2 grams dry? Is that okay?
Also, just eat the whole shroom fresh, cap and stem? I would be eating like a gazillion spores lol... I do not know if that is okay on fresh shrooms, lol.
Last question, how to preserve the fresh shrooms. Can I leave them attached to the cakes until Sunday? They are very big and open (two of them) If not, how can I preserve a fresh mushroom so it last till Sunday?
Thanks a lot!
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Mushrooms reduce in weight by about 90 percent so 20g fresh = 2g dry. However, fresh mushrooms are a tad bit more potent than dry, but it really depends on the batch and your drying methods how much the difference is. If you put your fresh mushrooms in a tupperware container with the lid off and some foil on top instead so they can breath, they will keep in the refridgerater as long as any edible mushroom would and will have less potency loss after 2 weeks in the fridge than if they had been dried, IME. Fresh stones/truffles last even longer, easily a month or more in a sealed tupperware in the fridge. If they're healthy they just turn white from growing new mycelium. I personally prefer to make lemon tea with fresh mushrooms, it really is a great and powerful experience, and you don't have to eat the added volume. Expect a reasonably strong, very visual trip off 20 g fresh cubensis. Avoid the spores by harvesting just after the veil breaks. If you want to print some of your mushrooms, you probably won't want to eat those ones fresh. The extra spores are not harmful, but many people say they ruin the taste.
Edited by RiparianZoneJunky (01/08/14 03:24 PM)
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Danner16
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The potency loss is not that much tbh but they will always lose some. Also I am 100% against any thing that would add any heat to the shrooms eg. tea tek or adding them to melted chocolate etc. because any heat will only make them even less potent(although people will swear up and down the wall that it doesn't but I just can't believe them). If you want the most out of your mushrooms eat them fresh, it's the best way IMO. Now by no means is drying them a bad thing, the loss is very minimal, if you do it right. I use a dehydrator and it only takes about 12-16 hours and never once has there been a problem with potency(just make sure you use the lowest setting). The only tek I use to enhance my trips is the lemon tek, witch is a blast if you want a fast intense trip and you need dry shrooms for it. Hope this helps and good luck.
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Re: Dry Vs Fresh - Potency? How about both? [Re: Danner16]
#19398036 - 01/10/14 09:31 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Danner16 said: The potency loss is not that much tbh but they will always lose some. Also I am 100% against any thing that would add any heat to the shrooms eg. tea tek or adding them to melted chocolate etc. because any heat will only make them even less potent(although people will swear up and down the wall that it doesn't but I just can't believe them). If you want the most out of your mushrooms eat them fresh, it's the best way IMO. Now by no means is drying them a bad thing, the loss is very minimal, if you do it right. I use a dehydrator and it only takes about 12-16 hours and never once has there been a problem with potency(just make sure you use the lowest setting). The only tek I use to enhance my trips is the lemon tek, witch is a blast if you want a fast intense trip and you need dry shrooms for it. Hope this helps and good luck.
Follow the tea tek in my sig and you could boil them for 20 minutes at a roiling boil with no potency loss. The once the indoles are in solution in an acidic environment, they are extremely thermostable. Ask Joust for the chemistry behind it, he has the technical explaination of it. Dry heat will oxidize and ruin your mushrooms, but heat when the compounds are in solution is harmless. That is why drying even at 90 degrees will give you more potency loss than boiling them in lemon tea when they're fresh. Try it once, and you will see that the science is right. It's not about belief.
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Eat em fresh! That's the way nature intended.
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Re: Dry Vs Fresh - Potency? How about both? [Re: Bryan04]
#19398101 - 01/10/14 09:46 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Cubes don't lose that much upon drying That is not true for all psilocybes though...
Water weight in mushrooms also varies... So 90% is an estimate... Could be more or less Try it with your mushrooms ... Depends on how hydrated they are and when you stop drying
Heat loss has been exaggerated for ever... Miss understanding I think... Don't bake them at 350 F!
Boiling should have no loss, nice to boiling the water first to help remove oxygen and chlorine ... A little acid helps (citric or vinegar) but like a teaspoon is all... Increases solubility
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Re: Dry Vs Fresh - Potency? How about both? [Re: HarryL]
#19398236 - 01/10/14 10:17 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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HarryL said: Cubes don't lose that much upon drying That is not true for all psilocybes though...
Water weight in mushrooms also varies... So 90% is an estimate... Could be more or less Try it with your mushrooms ... Depends on how hydrated they are and when you stop drying
Heat loss has been exaggerated for ever... Miss understanding I think... Don't bake them at 350 F!
Boiling should have no loss, nice to boiling the water first to help remove oxygen and chlorine ... A little acid helps (citric or vinegar) but like a teaspoon is all... Increases solubility
Yeah I suspect it's the psilocin and (nor)baeocystin that are the less stable compounds, because the species rich in these tend to lose more potency when dried. P. ovoideocystidiata is one that comes to mind. And yes, if you can eat your mushrooms fresh, that's the way to go. I still prefer tea with fresh mushrooms, there really is zero potency loss if you do it right and all you have to do is drink one cup of fairly good tasting tea. I tend to get nausea/distracting stomach upset when I eat the mushroom material, dry or fresh. I also like the way with tea that your come-up time is halved, and the trip is both more intense and shorter in duration.
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HarryL
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Yup... Pretty much I agree Baeos have a lot of loss upon drying... Cubes and cyans, not so much Fresh is the way to go if you can in my book
You can do 1/2 tea, 1/2 eat them too.... Eat have what you are taking, make tea and drink it about 15 min after you ate the other half.... Last a bit longer... Less nausea
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Re: Dry Vs Fresh - Potency? How about both? [Re: HarryL]
#19399358 - 01/10/14 02:10 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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HarryL said: Yup... Pretty much I agree Baeos have a lot of loss upon drying... Cubes and cyans, not so much Fresh is the way to go if you can in my book
You can do 1/2 tea, 1/2 eat them too.... Eat have what you are taking, make tea and drink it about 15 min after you ate the other half.... Last a bit longer... Less nausea
Nice dude, I really want to try some fresh baeos. Have heard nothing but good stuff.
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