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OfflineIcyus
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ask a shaman here:
    #19387952 - 01/08/14 12:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

As I have grown to enjoy the occasional dialogue with those of you here on the shroomery, I put up this notice.

As of late, the thought of spending more time meditating instead of being online on forums. I feel there to be little to gain as of now for me here, and thus, I commit to reflect on the simple things, watch the birds and hike in the woods.. even though it is winter now. Furthermore; I remember years back when I wanted to learn about shamanism, and the lack of actual shamans(or shamen) to teach and answer questions. I then give the opportunity to share my knowledge to those who would ask for it, whatever it may be.

Now first of all, I will not answer "what is the meaning of it all" kind of questions. Those are for each and everyone to personally discover. Neither will I answer "what should I do with my life" question; they are, too, for each and everyone to personally find the answers to.

For all those of you who think shamanism is to no good, and a dellusion to those who practice and are subjected to it, you may leave this thread now and be back to your occupations... I will not argue about the truth of it all, or how it may or may not work.. that you may believe what you wish about.

I will not bother answering those that choose to react negatively to their own lack of understanding, though asking in a neutral to positive way, I appreciate.

good feelings to you then :wink:


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
    #19388027 - 01/08/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What kind of shaman are you? What shamans have you trained under? Where have you trained?


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19388057 - 01/08/14 12:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I am an adventurer. I am more or less self-thaught, though advised and guided by a few different people from my own country...


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
    #19388080 - 01/08/14 01:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Where do knowledge come from? When does realization happen? Why shaman, and not for example reiki healer..??


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: ivander]
    #19388112 - 01/08/14 01:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The first would be speculation at best, the second I would need to speculate upon.. it is answerable, but it really depends on what kind of answer you seek.

I am not a reiki healer, thus I didnt write that. I practice shamanism, if I were to generalise it for you.


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
    #19388124 - 01/08/14 01:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you don't have any traditional training, I would say you are most likely not a shaman. It sounds more like you have an inflated ego to me... I think taking time to meditate would be good for you. Bring you back to reality a little.

Being a shaman is not something that anyone can just become, you must be predisposed to it. I am a huge believer of shamanistic practices, but highly doubt that you can commune with the spirit world...


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: maddad]
    #19388178 - 01/08/14 01:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you don't have any traditional training, I would say you are most likely not a shaman




I agree.

Have you lead ceremonies? What kind?


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
    #19388204 - 01/08/14 01:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"One of my first Buddhist teachers used a three-word phrase when he wanted me to pay attention to the present moment."

"Done is done"

"sounds right to me," he replied. "When you've gotten the message, you hang up the phone."

It's Easier Than You ThinkThe Buddhist Way to Happiness
by Sylvia Boorstein

blessings to you me friend :sun:


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


Edited by Sse (01/08/14 01:34 PM)


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: maddad]
    #19388275 - 01/08/14 01:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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maddad said:
Being a shaman is not something that anyone can just become, you must be predisposed to it. I am a huge believer of shamanistic practices, but highly doubt that you can commune with the spirit world...




I was hoping this thread wouldnt come to this, but can you please explain to me what you actually know about shamanism instead of throwing demeaning comments? If you know anything, what do you know then? Prowe atleast you have the right to act like this.


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19388308 - 01/08/14 01:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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LiquidGlass said:

Have you lead ceremonies? What kind?




Ceremonies.. is a lose word... yes and no.. I have done some healing. I have not taken people journeying.


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
    #19388394 - 01/08/14 02:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icyus said:
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LiquidGlass said:

Have you lead ceremonies? What kind?




Ceremonies.. is a lose word... yes and no.. I have done some healing. I have not taken people journeying.





Ok so what kind of healing have you done? What substances did you use? What rituals did you perform to do the healing?


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19388402 - 01/08/14 02:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

When you come with shit like that... is that a joke?


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus] * 3
    #19388429 - 01/08/14 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icyus said:
When you come with shit like that... is that a joke?





Holy shit what the fuck is your problem? Some shaman you are!

They are simple fucking questions.

Ok so what kind of healing have you done? What substances did you use? What rituals did you perform to do the healing?


You start a thread saying " ask a shaman ", then put limitations on what people can ask. Then when people ask you questions you come with some rude attitude. You cannot answer shit

Take your egotistical ramblings somewhere else. No real shaman would act like that


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    #19388444 - 01/08/14 02:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would gladly share what I know. For most cultures shamans almost always have a traumatic accident, NDE, rare disease, etc that they over come. Epilepsy in a lot of cultures is taken as a strong sign of the gift of shamanism. Once the elder shaman sees the gift in a member of the group that person is trained rigorously. A long process of difficult and demanding initiations. It is all about tradition and condition, you must tap into the energy fields of the ancestors and bring back the knowledge they have. His/her goal is to heal and protect the groups spiritually, not to be the wise man of the group. I mean I'm not really sure what you are looking for here, but I have been interested in shamanism for around 7 or 8 years. And know it well enough to say that you aren't one.

If you have not gone through any training, and do not use any of the practices to heal or help anyone then you are most certainly not a shaman. And you certainly cannot just adopt that title for yourself. If you didn't want me to be so demeaning you shouldn't have sounded so arrogant.

Ask the self-proclaimed shaman, should have been the thread title...


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: maddad]
    #19388500 - 01/08/14 02:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

@liquidglass
to be fair, you don't necessarily need substances. But you do however have to use some sort of method to enter a trance.

But I do believe your questions is relevant, and should be easy for OP to answer. You must use some sort of method or technique in order to heal people, no?


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: maddad]
    #19388518 - 01/08/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I would gladly share what I know. For most cultures shamans almost always have a traumatic accident, NDE, rare disease, etc that they over come. A long process of difficult and demanding initiations. It is all about and condition, you must tap into the energy fields and bring back the knowledge. His/her goal is to heal and protect the groups spiritually, not to be the wise man of the group. I mean I'm not really sure what you are looking for here, but I have been interested in shamanism for around 7 or 8 years. And know it enough to say that you aren't one.

If you have not gone through any training, and do not use any of the practices to heal or help anyone then you are most certainly not a shaman.(I have gone through training, though I havent been on a damn coarse and paid anyone money... Though I have used my power to heal others and myself) And you certainly cannot just adopt that title for yourself. (The title of shaman actually has no requirements.. the common villager could actually do so, since it is but a western mistake...in my culture, I would be named a seidmann, the natives in my land would be named Noaidi, and in many african countries they are refferred to as witch doctors).If you didn't want me to be so demeaning you shouldn't have sounded so arrogant. (Sorry... I didnt really try to..)

Ask the self-proclaimed shaman, should have been the thread title..(I am not self proclaimed, though I refferred to myself indirectly as a shaman here, because people know what the word means)..




Fixed it a bit. Now please do not speak of things you do not know about.



as for the trance.. good old rythms work just fine for journeying and major things that require greater focus... As to only heal a small cut or a twisted ancle.. or a cold ect.. there is no actual need with the right diet..


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus] * 4
    #19388539 - 01/08/14 02:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So . . . Still no real answers to any of the questions asked 

Great thread! :thumbup:


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19388599 - 01/08/14 03:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icyus said:
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LiquidGlass said:

Have you lead ceremonies? What kind?




Ceremonies.. is a lose word... yes and no.. I have done some healing. I have not taken people journeying.





Ok so what kind of healing have you done? What substances did you use? What rituals did you perform to do the healing?




Seriously? I have done distance healing and used hands.. (i really do nlt understand the question mlre than that...), I didnt use any substances... relatively speaking.. knowing that everything you breathe or drink or put in your mouth or nose or ass for that matter is a substance that alters your very existance really, even though I wrote in my original post I didnt really want to discuss the physics of it ect.. and there is the last one that really knocked me off..

Every action one does in this world, or outside of it..is a ritual. When you perform a ritual,or do something, really, you set an intent, and there is a result. It is the intent that matters.. so if I were to chant peacock eight or nine times, it wouldnt matter as long as I knew this to be the exact way to do it and managed to perform the action as I intended. I basicly sit down, lose myself into nothingness and I feel the flame, or the force, or whatever you may call it... I often neednt more than seconds to establish this link, and then the task is to emplify it and focus it approprietly to perform the task at hand. There isnt really need of too much ritual, just to enforce the action.


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
    #19388622 - 01/08/14 03:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, you are definitely not a shaman lol


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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19388657 - 01/08/14 03:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It is annoying you would come to that judgement... you havent a clue about what you speak of. This is my current belief... either that or you know a tiny bit and is too short sighted to think yourself through my words.


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