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ask a shaman here:
#19387952 - 01/08/14 12:26 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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As I have grown to enjoy the occasional dialogue with those of you here on the shroomery, I put up this notice.
As of late, the thought of spending more time meditating instead of being online on forums. I feel there to be little to gain as of now for me here, and thus, I commit to reflect on the simple things, watch the birds and hike in the woods.. even though it is winter now. Furthermore; I remember years back when I wanted to learn about shamanism, and the lack of actual shamans(or shamen) to teach and answer questions. I then give the opportunity to share my knowledge to those who would ask for it, whatever it may be.
Now first of all, I will not answer "what is the meaning of it all" kind of questions. Those are for each and everyone to personally discover. Neither will I answer "what should I do with my life" question; they are, too, for each and everyone to personally find the answers to.
For all those of you who think shamanism is to no good, and a dellusion to those who practice and are subjected to it, you may leave this thread now and be back to your occupations... I will not argue about the truth of it all, or how it may or may not work.. that you may believe what you wish about.
I will not bother answering those that choose to react negatively to their own lack of understanding, though asking in a neutral to positive way, I appreciate.
good feelings to you then
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19388027 - 01/08/14 12:46 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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What kind of shaman are you? What shamans have you trained under? Where have you trained?
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I am an adventurer. I am more or less self-thaught, though advised and guided by a few different people from my own country...
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19388080 - 01/08/14 01:01 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Where do knowledge come from? When does realization happen? Why shaman, and not for example reiki healer..??
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: ivander]
#19388112 - 01/08/14 01:07 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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The first would be speculation at best, the second I would need to speculate upon.. it is answerable, but it really depends on what kind of answer you seek.
I am not a reiki healer, thus I didnt write that. I practice shamanism, if I were to generalise it for you.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19388124 - 01/08/14 01:10 PM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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If you don't have any traditional training, I would say you are most likely not a shaman. It sounds more like you have an inflated ego to me... I think taking time to meditate would be good for you. Bring you back to reality a little.
Being a shaman is not something that anyone can just become, you must be predisposed to it. I am a huge believer of shamanistic practices, but highly doubt that you can commune with the spirit world...
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: maddad]
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If you don't have any traditional training, I would say you are most likely not a shaman
I agree.
Have you lead ceremonies? What kind?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19388204 - 01/08/14 01:30 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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"One of my first Buddhist teachers used a three-word phrase when he wanted me to pay attention to the present moment."
"Done is done"
"sounds right to me," he replied. "When you've gotten the message, you hang up the phone."
It's Easier Than You ThinkThe Buddhist Way to Happiness by Sylvia Boorstein
blessings to you me friend
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"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: maddad]
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maddad said: Being a shaman is not something that anyone can just become, you must be predisposed to it. I am a huge believer of shamanistic practices, but highly doubt that you can commune with the spirit world...
I was hoping this thread wouldnt come to this, but can you please explain to me what you actually know about shamanism instead of throwing demeaning comments? If you know anything, what do you know then? Prowe atleast you have the right to act like this.
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Have you lead ceremonies? What kind?
Ceremonies.. is a lose word... yes and no.. I have done some healing. I have not taken people journeying.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
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Have you lead ceremonies? What kind?
Ceremonies.. is a lose word... yes and no.. I have done some healing. I have not taken people journeying.
Ok so what kind of healing have you done? What substances did you use? What rituals did you perform to do the healing?
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When you come with shit like that... is that a joke?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus] 3
#19388429 - 01/08/14 02:26 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Icyus said: When you come with shit like that... is that a joke?
Holy shit what the fuck is your problem? Some shaman you are!
They are simple fucking questions.
Ok so what kind of healing have you done? What substances did you use? What rituals did you perform to do the healing?
You start a thread saying " ask a shaman ", then put limitations on what people can ask. Then when people ask you questions you come with some rude attitude. You cannot answer shit
Take your egotistical ramblings somewhere else. No real shaman would act like that
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus] 2
#19388444 - 01/08/14 02:29 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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I would gladly share what I know. For most cultures shamans almost always have a traumatic accident, NDE, rare disease, etc that they over come. Epilepsy in a lot of cultures is taken as a strong sign of the gift of shamanism. Once the elder shaman sees the gift in a member of the group that person is trained rigorously. A long process of difficult and demanding initiations. It is all about tradition and condition, you must tap into the energy fields of the ancestors and bring back the knowledge they have. His/her goal is to heal and protect the groups spiritually, not to be the wise man of the group. I mean I'm not really sure what you are looking for here, but I have been interested in shamanism for around 7 or 8 years. And know it well enough to say that you aren't one.
If you have not gone through any training, and do not use any of the practices to heal or help anyone then you are most certainly not a shaman. And you certainly cannot just adopt that title for yourself. If you didn't want me to be so demeaning you shouldn't have sounded so arrogant.
Ask the self-proclaimed shaman, should have been the thread title...
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: maddad]
#19388500 - 01/08/14 02:45 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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@liquidglass to be fair, you don't necessarily need substances. But you do however have to use some sort of method to enter a trance.
But I do believe your questions is relevant, and should be easy for OP to answer. You must use some sort of method or technique in order to heal people, no?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: maddad]
#19388518 - 01/08/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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maddad said: I would gladly share what I know. For most cultures shamans almost always have a traumatic accident, NDE, rare disease, etc that they over come. A long process of difficult and demanding initiations. It is all about and condition, you must tap into the energy fields and bring back the knowledge. His/her goal is to heal and protect the groups spiritually, not to be the wise man of the group. I mean I'm not really sure what you are looking for here, but I have been interested in shamanism for around 7 or 8 years. And know it enough to say that you aren't one.
If you have not gone through any training, and do not use any of the practices to heal or help anyone then you are most certainly not a shaman.(I have gone through training, though I havent been on a damn coarse and paid anyone money... Though I have used my power to heal others and myself) And you certainly cannot just adopt that title for yourself. (The title of shaman actually has no requirements.. the common villager could actually do so, since it is but a western mistake...in my culture, I would be named a seidmann, the natives in my land would be named Noaidi, and in many african countries they are refferred to as witch doctors).If you didn't want me to be so demeaning you shouldn't have sounded so arrogant. (Sorry... I didnt really try to..)
Ask the self-proclaimed shaman, should have been the thread title..(I am not self proclaimed, though I refferred to myself indirectly as a shaman here, because people know what the word means)..
Fixed it a bit. Now please do not speak of things you do not know about.
as for the trance.. good old rythms work just fine for journeying and major things that require greater focus... As to only heal a small cut or a twisted ancle.. or a cold ect.. there is no actual need with the right diet..
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus] 4
#19388539 - 01/08/14 02:53 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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So . . . Still no real answers to any of the questions asked
Great thread!
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Have you lead ceremonies? What kind?
Ceremonies.. is a lose word... yes and no.. I have done some healing. I have not taken people journeying.
Ok so what kind of healing have you done? What substances did you use? What rituals did you perform to do the healing?
Seriously? I have done distance healing and used hands.. (i really do nlt understand the question mlre than that...), I didnt use any substances... relatively speaking.. knowing that everything you breathe or drink or put in your mouth or nose or ass for that matter is a substance that alters your very existance really, even though I wrote in my original post I didnt really want to discuss the physics of it ect.. and there is the last one that really knocked me off..
Every action one does in this world, or outside of it..is a ritual. When you perform a ritual,or do something, really, you set an intent, and there is a result. It is the intent that matters.. so if I were to chant peacock eight or nine times, it wouldnt matter as long as I knew this to be the exact way to do it and managed to perform the action as I intended. I basicly sit down, lose myself into nothingness and I feel the flame, or the force, or whatever you may call it... I often neednt more than seconds to establish this link, and then the task is to emplify it and focus it approprietly to perform the task at hand. There isnt really need of too much ritual, just to enforce the action.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19388622 - 01/08/14 03:09 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah, you are definitely not a shaman lol
Peace! Im out
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It is annoying you would come to that judgement... you havent a clue about what you speak of. This is my current belief... either that or you know a tiny bit and is too short sighted to think yourself through my words.
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Icyus I think you might need to be fixed a little bit.
Following liquidglass' lead, I'm out too.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: maddad]
#19388673 - 01/08/14 03:19 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Very well then safe trawels...
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19388675 - 01/08/14 03:19 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Icyus said: It is annoying you would come to that judgement... you havent a clue about what you speak of. This is my current belief... either that or you know a tiny bit and is too short sighted to think yourself through my words.
I wish all the best to you in your journey
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19389114 - 01/08/14 04:38 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Shaman or not it does not matter to me.. let me ask those questions in different way. When did you come to this realization? And how did you come to it... Can you describe the energy that you acted upon and that acted upon you.. What made you be and do?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19389315 - 01/08/14 05:04 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Icyus said: I am an adventurer. I am more or less self-thaught, though advised and guided by a few different people from my own country...
What makes this different from most of us here?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: ivander]
#19389359 - 01/08/14 05:09 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Man.. my mind is really fucked... I am originally very calculating and have traits of autism... more so, I am very creative and poetic.. which means that for me to answer concrete questions I need them often to be self refferencing, else I could only give VERY abstract, and to the situation basicly meaningless answers..
sorry, but I have no idea what you are refferencing to.. could you like write.. instead of; snowballs. Hlw do you feel about it.. (my mind doesnt connect the two to well).. so write how do you feel anout snowballs.. or not...
Maybe I should check here tomorrow.. I am having trouble reading aswell... I see the words, but I can not catch their story..
Icelander; to my knowledge.. there is the most common type of shamanism and a lesser known hawayan shamanism, where instead of warriors there are adventurers.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19389623 - 01/08/14 05:45 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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That really doesn't answer my question.
I'm not really convinced from reading your past post history that you are any different from most of the rabble here.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icelander]
#19389649 - 01/08/14 05:50 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Man, I promise you one thing; I know alot of things... though I am often forced to use this annoying collection of words.... I am an oaf. I post alot of idiotic posts. I do not try to do this, but I am an Oaf yet the same... we can only be who we are.. no more.. no less.. is my opinion atleast, in many ways..
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19389725 - 01/08/14 06:02 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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What sort of questions do you want to be asked? You aren't really answering anyone's questions.
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I thought about if you wished to know anything.. like heal wounds or torture people psycologically..
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19389749 - 01/08/14 06:06 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Have you built a sanctuary? Like a happy place?
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Only psycologically...
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19389787 - 01/08/14 06:11 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Really...? What was step one in becoming a shaman then?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19389826 - 01/08/14 06:18 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Can you answer scientific questions like, where is all the anti-matter?
Or how to achieve zero-point energy?
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There is neither a start nor end as far as I am concerned... you discover how screwed you are, then you watch an eternity as it gets worse, and you fix youself.. relativly speaking... take a step away from what is not decided by yourself.. Then you find yourself.. in more ways than one.. then you find out your purpose..and you do this .. much of it, I think comes down to finding that place deep down yourself that ... i cannot put it to words... the God in you.. amighty and commanding.. and then ground yourself an be humble just the same... it is no real order it needs to happen in really.. though I would estimate one comes from the bottom and goes upwards.. atleast where one thinks up to be..
teknix.. I have made my peace with both philosofical and scientific understanding.. It drove me mad it did.. the universe is soooo fucking weird.. and I can put it to words, what I am convinced of, but the words would do it justice..
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19389978 - 01/08/14 06:48 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Well by that definition I too am a shaman...
How does that make you feel?
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That, as most else, I remain indifferent to, and I will keep living my bliss.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19389998 - 01/08/14 06:52 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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the shaman knows others as he knows himself does that seem unreasonable?
if not, how do you know that you know yourself?
how do you know that you know others enough to be able to heal them?
do you deal with spirits?
what performs the healing you do?
which types of healing do you perform/when do you heal?
what is central to your daily practice?
when do you think one becomes a shaman / why did you become one?
just some questions :-) I like shamanism, it is real to me
no need to know it all like you say, I know what I must know :-)
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You aren't a shaman bud.
I had a complete psychotic break. Everyone likes to call themselves crazy or fucked in the head... Lmao. Once you have actually been there and watched the world of space-time relationships descend into a world of abstract ideas and thought enitities, tell me you were crazy before 
I healed myself with cognitive behavioural therapy, meditation, prayer and lots of time outside.
Yet, I see no reason to call myself a shaman.
It would be just a bastardization of an authentic tradition. Take you want you want from a tradition or a paradigm but don't claim to be a part of something you aren't. Modern man raped indigenous people's land and resources. Silenced their language. Marginalized their culture.
And now you, Icyus, are aiding in this terrible crime by turning all indigenous relgions into this bland new age 'shamanism' just like the film industry turning all American natives into the sterotypical 'plains indian' we saw in Western movies for the longest time.
Either go to a local native reserve and ask to speak to the elders about learning the secrets of healing and spirit communication or find some other label to call youreself.
Sorry I was so harsh but this shit is disgraceful ignorance and arrogance.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
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Ok well since you said we could ask questions about healing wounds or harming people psychologically... I would want to know how to heal my neuroma on the bottom of my foot?
It's extremely debilitating, I can hardly walk. The shots do nothing and I'm not about to step up to the plate n get a surgery where 30% of the people end up with worse pain and a whopping 70 percent have either to get another, or have a years worth of relief.
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Who the fuck cares whether the linguistic label of 'shaman' applies to him?\
The real question is... is OP the real thing?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: deCypher]
#19390924 - 01/08/14 10:13 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Only if he can play the djembe better than me.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: deCypher]
#19390954 - 01/08/14 10:19 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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A shaman?   

OP you're about as shaman as I am a ninja. Or a pope or cardinal or rabbi. I never studied law, but fuck it, I'll just go and make an "ask a lawyer" thread anyway. I mean I saw several movies with lawyers and trials and stuff, I'm pretty sure I got it all figured out
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Can you please send me some happiness? I need some bliss. All I have is a whole lot of cannabis and beer. If I was happy I could go down on that beach and talk to those women.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: deCypher]
#19392077 - 01/09/14 04:14 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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deCypher said: Who the fuck cares whether the linguistic label of 'shaman' applies to him?\
The real question is... is OP the real thing?
People have need to put others down whenever there is a chance for it. Call it ego or whatever, but for some its normal thing like breathing. One does not think about it, just does it.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
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Channeling_Spirit said: Ok well since you said we could ask questions about healing wounds or harming people psychologically... I would want to know how to heal my neuroma on the bottom of my foot?
It's extremely debilitating, I can hardly walk. The shots do nothing and I'm not about to step up to the plate n get a surgery where 30% of the people end up with worse pain and a whopping 70 percent have either to get another, or have a years worth of relief.
Why is you name Channeling_Spirit, if you ask another one for advice? Im just curious. I would say to you, to work upon your energy body, you got a problem here first dude, before it manifested in material body form.
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Icyus said: Man.. my mind is really fucked... I am originally very calculating and have traits of autism... more so, I am very creative and poetic.. which means that for me to answer concrete questions I need them often to be self refferencing, else I could only give VERY abstract, and to the situation basicly meaningless answers..
sorry, but I have no idea what you are refferencing to.. could you like write.. instead of; snowballs. Hlw do you feel about it.. (my mind doesnt connect the two to well).. so write how do you feel anout snowballs.. or not...
Maybe I should check here tomorrow.. I am having trouble reading aswell... I see the words, but I can not catch their story..
Icelander; to my knowledge.. there is the most common type of shamanism and a lesser known hawayan shamanism, where instead of warriors there are adventurers.
Ill say again, I dont care that you call yourself shaman, and that if a definition of that word is not adjusted to what it describes on wikipedia. But arent shamans supposed to do and delve in irrational and non concrete. As my questions were adjusted so. I want abstract answer, that the beauty of it. Is it not? I refer to your OPost. And If you are sure and ok with this, hell why not, I can do a bible of snowballs. Feel? Im basically feeling less now. Or to say this more rational. Not feeling less but lets say spectrum of emotions isnt so much widespread, its more narrow and not so explosive... it that makes any sense for you.
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You have a pain in your foot, yes? You want it to be gone? Are you sure about this? Then you have many one a choice to do so.
you could be manipulated, by me, an other or say..a plant, (medicine).. and it would fix your imbalance, but what have you learned from it? We expereance what we do for a reason, and I am not of those idiots that heal someone, and cause more harm in ignorance..
the best intentions may cause the greatest harm... fix your foot, and you get a braintumor... that wouldnt be too good would it? I was thaught we get sick because we are sad or angry, or scared... be it karma from a previouss life or a recent trauma.. one needs to come to peace with such, to advance on their journey.. if I healed a pain, it wouldnt give its message and thus one might be stuck in their own ignorance.. now that would be good either, would it? Or do you just want to run away from the pain..? If I were to help you, pending you'd die ten years from now if I didnt, would it be moral of me if you were to kill a houndred children at the elleventh year?
@usulpsyconaut... Read this out loud, and you will feel happy and confident. Know this will make you happy and joyful. My words are magic;
there is happiness all around.. I need only be part in it. If Icyus were tosay; I am happy. I feel a tingling jitter as I observe the happiness grow and evolve.tingling from the feet and rising... its grows into a slight euphoria.. I can feel it morphing into a sense of joy.. I can actually sense it.. I am actually happy now.. I didnt know it would work, but it did.. I am happy now.. I am in a mood to share my happiness.. I let go of fear and embrace it happiness..
Id figure that work fine.. lot easier too.. though it is more a form of hypnosis that shamanism.. (This is quite effective, though it is flawed in its simplicity.. one application of knowing the Wizards first rule.. as it was called..)
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19392216 - 01/09/14 05:12 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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"ll say again, I dont care that you call yourself shaman, and that if a definition of that word is not adjusted to what it describes on wikipedia. But arent shamans supposed to do and delve in irrational and non concrete. As my questions were adjusted so. I want abstract answer, that the beauty of it. Is it not? I refer to your OPost. And If you are sure and ok with this, hell why not, I can do a bible of snowballs. Feel? Im basically feeling less now. Or to say this more rational. Not feeling less but lets say spectrum of emotions isnt so much widespread, its more narrow and not so explosive... it that makes any sense for you."
I could give you an abstract answer but to most people.. such do not make any actual sense.. so I simplify and rationalise.. but;
I would say I woke up one day, not too long ago.. and I felt the beauty of life, hidden away by the tremors of the past. Icame to think back a few days when I walked the snowy trail in the woods.. I came to realize each and every time I went outside.. I had a purpose.. I always went out to gather herbs, or to fish.. or to hunt mushrooms.. or to walk the dog.. never just to listen to the birds, or enjoy a breeze of air... I never wen out to expereance nature, really.. there was always the searching for something.. I planned and expected.. never really peace.. I had about then come to peace, lr a form of enlightenment, when I realized there was no point in searching for joy, as it always slipped my grasp.. that it was as ellusive as anything in life.. and I decided to stop searching and simply be.Then I reflected on this, and wondered, why doesnt this show in my actions? Then I altered them accordingly..
. I came to think a a memory from my childhood at my grandparents.. a sunny day, and I went outside where I could hear the birds sing.. oh there were so many birds.. I guess it brought me back to a state of myself I had seemingly lost.. a form of joy coloured in a peachy orange. So peaceful in delicate joy... as I am quite orange of me.. it was a lost shade so to speak.. It seems I rediscovered it. I had the impression, or judgement rather that I was a complete idiot in my past, even more than now... that everything I had done was wrong in everyway.. most were, I realized.. later I realized some where not. I had apprichiated, earlier the simple things.. and when I realized I was such a despicable human being.. I recented it amongst the rest.. out of my own ignorance.. and it was quite the loss too, I would say.
. describing the energy that made me do it? It was the wind of change so to speak.. I can atleast speak for myself, that I am changing continoussly.. It was not a a feel change I had so often seen in my past.. tainted by fear and shame, but simple as it was.. it seems to me yellow.. it was what it was, and nothing less, nothing more.. I had changed so, I did not fear, I am content as I were.. I was able to enjoy it fully.. to savour the expereance.. looking irrationally on it, atleast to me.. I am constantly twisting deeper into madness.. to weirdness.. and I go along.. this was just an other stepping stone.. one, now without sharp edges... or did I just drop my feet along the way? I realized that I need to be more grounded.. that this brings me more a sense of fulfillment.. that I need to walk more unreasonable walks.. that I didnt need to have a destination .. finally I actually grasped how much it affected me not to do so.
. I made a promise to myself that this was not to be a winter in slumber.. that I were to walk many a time.. yet I kept waiting for the weather to improwe.. been foggy and cloudy for many weeks now.. not a glimpse of the sun... I had listened to those around me again.. I must really learn to start ignoring them flr good "the weather is bad", they would say..."it wouldnt be enjoyable" theyd say.. maybe a trip is due? To really get a kick in the ass? It has been a few months now.. I might journey too , but I find it to reweal the knowledge I seek, but I am in controll.. we cant really have that, can we? Anyway.. my tea almost got cold writing tbis, so I will end it here I hope it answered a bit of your question.. I looked at it before I started typing, but I only remember something about realisation..
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19392228 - 01/09/14 05:15 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Icyus said: I thought about if you wished to know anything.. like torture people psycologically..
You mean like with threads like this?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icelander]
#19392238 - 01/09/14 05:18 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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No... not really...
its like saying "person>> will repulse anyone person>> cares about.. and will die alone..." and actually making it happen... a curse they called it.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19392309 - 01/09/14 05:43 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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oh ok
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mio said: the shaman knows others as he knows himself does that seem unreasonable? -no. Even autistic me knows alot about people... though I tend to distance myself from them accordingly..
if not, how do you know that you know yourself? -I dont know really.. I know myself basicly by reconising the feeling of myself..
how do you know that you know others enough to be able to heal them? -You do not really need to knlw them at all.. you feel them, if need be.. and feel their aura, or whatever name you want to put on it.. then feel yourself.. feel that you are right and they are wrong.. you make them as you.. and you might realize this can often bring more problems than it solves...if the shaman in healing even wants to do noting else than help, but is too hurt himself, he (or she for that matter) transmits their burden aswell... "great intentions+magic+ignorance=catastrophy.."
do you deal with spirits? -now that is a vague word, but yes I do.. the question is in which way..
what performs the healing you do? -people basicly heal themselves.. they are also healed by others.. it is a metter of perception I think.. Though all power needed by the healer, I would contribute only to the spirit guide...
which types of healing do you perform/when do you heal? -well.. one may generalise and categorize all they wish, but tend to do what I need to do.. does that answer it? The importance of when... I heal when I deem it a time of power and it seems a good idea.. both rationally and intuisionally..
what is central to your daily practice? -I do not excatly follow a scedule.. I do what feels right, when it feels right.
when do you think one becomes a shaman / why did you become one? -a shaman is quite a loose term, though it is understood in many ways.. and delluded aswell.. as is all.. as quoted earlier.. the title of shaman bears no actual requirement.. it is a western word. Even so... some say it is when one is opened fully to their deathchakra.. other say a shaman is one who knows.. he who knows, knows he does not know. Some say It is when one truly knows themselves.. and has released their burden.. others, like me, might say it is when one realizes they have been a shaman all along...
-I became a shamani practitioner in order to help people... now I doubt it is too wise to interfere with the universe too much...
just some questions :-) I like shamanism, it is real to me
no need to know it all like you say, I know what I must know :-)
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icelander]
#19392449 - 01/09/14 06:45 AM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Icyus said: I thought about if you wished to know anything.. like torture people psycologically..
You mean like with threads like this?
Shaman you?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19393512 - 01/09/14 12:27 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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if you could answer those questions without even thinking about them you might be a follower of shamanism
or shaman ;-)
I dont see any problem in calling yourself a shaman if you really do help people often shamans are people who have tripped a bit too much and think they are shamans what I think makes a shaman is curing own problems/disease then curing other people afterwards, action
the reason we have no shamans in our western culture is because our culture doesnt tolerate it, if we allowed everyone to call themselves shamans and practice shamanism we might get more shamans ;-)
I do believe in soul loss and by having found ones own lost soul one is able to help other people with their soul loss something communicates through you when you do stuff like that you get an answer that is equally true for others and yourself you will recognize the truth when you hear/find it, screw that "truth is relative" babbling ;-)
truth is the same for us all, if you like shamanism you must almost believe in this
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
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So, a shaman doesnt heal peoples pain, he makes people heal their own pain?
sounds reasonable, although I am new to shamansim I do believe there is a reason for every disease, often the soul needs to learn something it seems most diseases start in the soul (soul loss)
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19393776 - 01/09/14 01:45 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Ok, that was satisfying read. I see you. Stand your ground. And if you decide to call youself a shaman, druid or warlock, be sure to know really why. So you can tell trolls to fuck off, and know why.. even if you are not one by "definition"..
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
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Icyus
When I wish to communicate with my spirit guide, can my guide understand better my thoughts, if I focus the question in my thoughts?
or
is better to go to a quite place and speak it into the wind so that my guide may hear my spoken words?
Edited by Vitalux (01/09/14 10:09 PM)
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19396368 - 01/09/14 10:49 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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What's the foundation for healing in your experience/opinion?
What does one need to do to become whole?
Is there a secret society manipulating the world?
What happens when we die?
Is Christ also Buddha?
How old are you?
Do you think you have something special within you others don't?
(All serious inquiries)
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Vitalux]
#19397374 - 01/10/14 05:23 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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sloantbone said: Icyus
When I wish to communicate with my spirit guide, can my guide understand better my thoughts, if I focus the question in my thoughts?
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is better to go to a quite place and speak it into the wind so that my guide may hear my spoken words?
I never used neither thoughts nor words.. only the feeling behind them.. i think it comes down to different feelings.. you may say a word.. you may think a thought, but there are feelings behind them all.. even if one realized it or not...
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: cez]
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cez said: What's the foundation for healing in your experience/opinion? -focus.
What does one need to do to become whole? -suffer enough.. be torn apart and find the strength to put yourself back together.
Is there a secret society manipulating the world? -yes.
What happens when we die? -I have my ideas, so have others... my idea... Is quite maddening.. i cannot really voice it properly..
Is Christ also Buddha? - What I were to say about the past, would only be speculation..
How old are you? -I turn twenty in august.
Do you think you have something special within you others don't? -no.. not really.. I only realize it.
(All serious inquiries)
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
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If the spirit world made itself known to you and there were malicious entities that feed off of one's life force and constantly play games of belief... What would you do to banish these spirits from one's life/body/mind/brain?
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FishOilTheKid said: If the spirit world made itself known to you and there were malicious entities that feed off of one's life force and constantly play games of belief... What would you do to banish these spirits from one's life/body/mind/brain?
Give a man a fish, he is fed for a day.. teach him to fish, and he is never hungry again..
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19397559 - 01/10/14 06:56 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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You see its the two fish that got me into this:
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FishOilTheKid said: You see its the two fish that got me into this:

Uh, those are two intersecting circles.
This whole thread is starting to smell a little fishy. Well, more like a beach of dead and rotting fish carcasses on a hot calm summer day at high noon.
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Personally.. facing bad entities.. I would either ridicule them, or show them I am more demonic..scaring them away...
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19397587 - 01/10/14 07:05 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Icyus said: Personally.. facing bad entities.. I would either ridicule them, or show them I am more demonic..scaring them away...
See, this is just bad advice. First, what do you even mean by "bad" entities? I have had to clear out a lingering "force" call it a spirit, or a ghost. Going the demonic route is useless. You need to be forceful, then ignore them. Then really go off on them. Then ignore them. Sooner or later they get the idea and head on down that stairway even with bad legs they just roll down and out the gate and into the street.
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Icyus said: Personally.. facing bad entities.. I would either ridicule them, or show them I am more demonic..scaring them away...
See, this is just bad advice. First, what do you even mean by "bad" entities? I have had to clear out a lingering "force" call it a spirit, or a ghost. Going the demonic route is useless. You need to be forceful, then ignore them. Then really go off on them. Then ignore them. Sooner or later they get the idea and head on down that stairway even with bad legs they just roll down and out the gate and into the street.
there are many ways to do the same thing.I did not advice him. I only shared my expereance..
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19397705 - 01/10/14 07:43 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Guess that makes me a shaman too then.
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LunarEclipse said: Guess that makes a shaman too then.]
Do you honestly believe that?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus] 1
#19397787 - 01/10/14 08:10 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Icyus said:
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LunarEclipse said: Guess that makes a shaman too then.]
Do you honestly believe that?
Probably as much as you, yeah absolutely.
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Me too. I turned from extreme to a medium.
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Maharishi_2_U said: Worst Thread Ever!
This. 
Even $cientology is more interesting than this alleged "shaman" crap. Closest OP has ever gotten to a shaman was probably some World of Warcraft character
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19398017 - 01/10/14 09:26 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I have some questions you might be able to answer.
What happens upon death?
Can people achieve physical immortality?
Can you use life to change what happens in the after-life if there is one?
Is there a soul?
Where do dreams exist?
Do I exist?
Does I exist?
Is there a god and how can we know?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: teknix]
#19398183 - 01/10/14 10:04 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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teknix said: I have some questions you might be able to answer.
What happens upon death?
Can people achieve physical immortality?
Can you use life to change what happens in the after-life if there is one?
Is there a soul?
Where do dreams exist?
Do I exist?
Does I exist?
Is there a god and how can we know?
yes an no.. those questions are very relative as far as I know.. dreams.. I think they are just above peoples heads..
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19398606 - 01/10/14 11:51 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I have a few as well OP.
- Do you have a job or other source of income outside parents/welfare?
- Do you live with your parents/grandparents?
- If so, do you pay rent?
- How old are you?
- What drugs (if any) were you under when you made this thread?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19398763 - 01/10/14 12:20 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Icyus said:
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teknix said: I have some questions you might be able to answer.
What happens upon death?
Can people achieve physical immortality?
Can you use life to change what happens in the after-life if there is one?
Is there a soul?
Where do dreams exist?
Do I exist?
Does I exist?
Is there a god and how can we know?
yes an no.. those questions are very relative as far as I know.. dreams.. I think they are just above peoples heads..
Could you try to elaborate a bit more? hehe.
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Spacerific said: I have a few as well OP.
- Do you have a job or other source of income outside parents/welfare?
- Do you live with your parents/grandparents?
- If so, do you pay rent?
- How old are you?
- What drugs (if any) were you under when you made this thread?
Don't be so condescending of peoples beliefs, this is S & M, people should feel free to post what they believe here, without people mocking them.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: teknix]
#19398779 - 01/10/14 12:24 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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teknix said:
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Icyus said:
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teknix said: I have some questions you might be able to answer.
What happens upon death?
Can people achieve physical immortality?
Can you use life to change what happens in the after-life if there is one?
Is there a soul?
Where do dreams exist?
Do I exist?
Does I exist?
Is there a god and how can we know?
yes an no.. those questions are very relative as far as I know.. dreams.. I think they are just above peoples heads..
Could you try to elaborate a bit more? hehe.
It would only be rambling nonsense... what I tried to say, was that all those questions can be answered in several, contradicting ways, and be true non the less...
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19398803 - 01/10/14 12:30 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Humor me, I'm not unfamiliar with paradoxes. I'm genuinely curious of your perspectives on these matters.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: teknix]
#19398811 - 01/10/14 12:33 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Im also want to know what is a shaman.
You can answer in pm if that is more comfortable.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: teknix]
#19399693 - 01/10/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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teknix said:
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Spacerific said: I have a few as well OP.
- Do you have a job or other source of income outside parents/welfare?
- Do you live with your parents/grandparents?
- If so, do you pay rent?
- How old are you?
- What drugs (if any) were you under when you made this thread?
Don't be so condescending of peoples beliefs, this is S & M, people should feel free to post what they believe here, without people mocking them.
I am simply interacting with OP and this thread in the best way I consider possible at this time. Since his initial assumption (that he is a shaman) continues to provide copious amusement, here I am to express it.
For the record I have quite a bit of respect and sometimes even reverence for shamans of any and all traditions. Obviously OP's definition of a shaman might differ from mine, and as it appears, from several other members'.
If he had posted "Ask a pro bodybuilder" we could have asked for pics and be done with it. Since this isn't about something so clearly obvious, all we have to go by is OP's replies. Whether they are handled like a true shaman, well this is what we're here to find out isn't it?
I for one have my answer.   
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I know a "shaman" who frequents the shroomery but he would A. not call himself that and B. not make a thread saying he's one and offering to answer general questions for people.
If someone is the real deal and they do what they do well you should have no idea what sort of healing/reprogramming/guiding they did. Also, they probably would not come out and tell people.
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19401585 - 01/10/14 11:07 PM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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cez said: What's the foundation for healing in your experience/opinion? -focus.
(All serious inquiries)
Can you define focus in relation to healing?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: cez]
#19402148 - 01/11/14 02:42 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Then you tell me first... how to you think the universe is made up? Do you think we are made up of atomsmand strings, or do you believe in a immaterealistic reality, or both?
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19402186 - 01/11/14 03:02 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I don't know 
I wanna say I was told we are made up of atoms..And I also wanna say science also claims that atoms are empty, so what does that mean regarding the material stuff we see?
I think we see this reality as separate little puzzle pieces and we can either believe we are an individual piece or realize that we have a function in regards to the bigger picture so-to-speak.
I believe in healing another in turn heals yourself. I also believe healing is synonymous with forgiveness.
You used the word "focus." I am inquiring how your definition of focus in relation to healing stands with my current state of mind regarding this stuff...(which is all over the place anyways so I don't know if I believe anything I say here)
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: cez]
#19402210 - 01/11/14 03:15 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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cez said: I don't know 
I wanna say I was told we are made up of atoms..And I also wanna say science also claims that atoms are empty, so what does that mean regarding the material stuff we see?
I think we see this reality as separate little puzzle pieces and we can either believe we are an individual piece or realize that we have a function in regards to the bigger picture so-to-speak.
I believe in healing another in turn heals yourself. I also believe healing is synonymous with forgiveness.
You used the word "focus." I am inquiring how your definition of focus in relation to healing stands with my current state of mind regarding this stuff...(which is all over the place anyways so I don't know if I believe anything I say here)
In a way.. I think you are right... healing affects both the caster and reciever, but only because one must pay attention to their own balance, even though this could have been done without actually replicating, transmitting and rewriting with it as a base, or foundation to alter the subject...
focus.. it is to shut everything else away than that you ... focus upon.. have you meditated? Sit down an empty yourself of all though.. then instead of drifting away, you hold on, in some sense, and let be guided in order to fulfill your intentions..
focus.. amplifyed with emotion is the recipe for energy as far as I know.. you find a imbalance, feel your own balance, and sample the feeling of it, focusing it, and letting be split.. one for you, an other for the sucject. Like celllular division, come to think of it..
more so.. there are different ways for using a conduit, or direct healing.. or self healing for that matter... did that properly answer your question? I do not really know what more to say..
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: Icyus]
#19402221 - 01/11/14 03:22 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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I feel ya
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Re: ask a shaman here: [Re: cez]
#19417805 - 01/14/14 03:10 PM (10 years, 16 days ago) |
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How did this last past the top of page 2?
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Sadly, because of those like you..
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LiquidGlass said: Yeah, you are definitely not a shaman lol
Peace! Im out
This, any shaman wouldn't be as naive and disrespectful to other individuals trying to seek answers, furthermore, shooting people down when they question your credibility is a sure sign you are nothing but a "troll" as they say here.
Real shamans would respectfully respond to those willing to listen. As far as shamans overcoming a disease to be picked, your disease would most likely be mental disorder.
Your practices are grade A bullshit;)
But i like the idea of what your doing
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