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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19387157 - 01/08/14 09:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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also don't be an idiot and think that the industrial revolution/capitalism didn't harm the environment in such a way that harms humanity.





no one is claiming that harm wasnt done to the environment by the industrial
revolution but now there are checks in place to help mitigate that damage but
let's also face a few other facts, even in undeveloped countries,
environmental damage is being done by the inhabitants, for hundreds of years
the ganges river has been polluted because it's not only a source of water
but it's also the laundromat, the sanitation department and the sewage system
for tens of millions of people and it's been that way for centuries



yea, so how is it inconceivable that in a globalized economy that we have the potential to completely destroy a global ecosystem?


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
    #19387219 - 01/08/14 10:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What I'm trying to say is that none of us can do anything but to quote a study that has already been made.




Wrong again.

Several have pointed out the flaws in the studies quoted. Several have pointed out that none of the models came to pass. Several have pointed out the dogma associated with the gloom-and-doomers.

I don't know or claim to know how accurate some of this stuff is. What I do know is that many have made up their minds based on... shit.

Deep stinky shit.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
    #19387353 - 01/08/14 10:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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None of us know what we are talking about.



Dude, not true. This is elementary science. More CO2 in the atmosphere means more greenhouse gas effect, its not rocket science.
If you don't understand science this may clear things up.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: i like cow poo]
    #19387823 - 01/08/14 11:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Right. Because 97% of 77 is such a huge number that we should all panic.





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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19387847 - 01/08/14 12:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

when the 77 are the worlds leading researchers on the specific question, probably makes sense to listen to them over ziggy stardust up there


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19387858 - 01/08/14 12:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Right, so we should disregard the climate scientists that say differently.

We should always listen to so few when so much is at stake. :tweakin:


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19387876 - 01/08/14 12:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so it makes more sense to listen to the 3% of oil shills climate scientists instead? this is what you're saying?


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19387888 - 01/08/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Right, so we should disregard the climate scientists that say differently.

We should always listen to so few when so much is at stake. :tweakin:




Einstein was was only one man and made significant discoveries.

So was galileo, pythagore, achimedes, etc

All you need is one.

When there's 75 saying the same things, it ways more heavily


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19387909 - 01/08/14 12:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nope. What I'm saying is the much ballyhooed consensus doesn't mean shit.

There are far more than 3% who disagree. That number is wrong for the same reason the 97% number is wrong. 77 answers from 10000+ surveys is a dumb fucking reason to panic as so many seem to be doing.

We need to know a good deal more about our planet before taking actions that will damage the economy.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
    #19387914 - 01/08/14 12:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Right, so we should disregard the climate scientists that say differently.

We should always listen to so few when so much is at stake. :tweakin:




Einstein was was only one man and made significant discoveries.

So was galileo, pythagore, achimedes, etc

All you need is one.

When there's 75 saying the same things, it ways more heavily




There's a good deal more saying the opposite.

We don't know and shouldn't panic or take irresponsible actions until we know.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #19387917 - 01/08/14 12:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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We need to know a good deal more about our planet before taking actions that will damage the economy planet.




fixed that for you there


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19387927 - 01/08/14 12:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That too.

Doesn't change the point.

I happen to like clean air and water. That doesn't mean we should run around screaming the sky is falling.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19387950 - 01/08/14 12:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no need to fear-monger, this is true

but i think it prudent to refrain from destructive practices like exploitation of oil sands and fracking until--as you say, we know more about them


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19387970 - 01/08/14 12:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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no need to fear-monger, this is true




And yet... that's what the 97% number amounts to. The same 97% number that gets swallowed hook, line and sinker by so many who then close their eyes to contrary evidence.

They're like children who cover their ears while shouting that they can't hear you.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19387981 - 01/08/14 12:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

people can get like that for any opinion that they hold dear--not just in response to climate change--shouldn't really be a factor towards the validity of climate change or not


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19388001 - 01/08/14 12:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Call me crazy, but burning up half of the oil that took 300 million years to be made in 100 years must have some consequence.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19388002 - 01/08/14 12:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

People can and do. It shouldn't be a factor towards the validity of climate change.

There is evidence to support both sides. We don't know. Taking actions based on what we don't know is incredibly stupid.

The earth warms, the earth cools. Until we understand the causes way better than we do now, Chicken Little needs to go hide his or her head in the sand.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: Patlal]
    #19388011 - 01/08/14 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Call me crazy, but burning up half of the oil that took 300 million years to be made in 100 years must have some consequence.




Wouldn't surprise me either way. We don't know just what the consequences are or how severe they may be, or if there even are any.

Until we do, the doom-and-gloomers are just noise.


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19388064 - 01/08/14 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

than, as i stated earlier, if you are so concerned with knowing the consequences before acting, you must be opposed to things like fracking and oil sand exploitation--at least until we better understand the long term effects, no?


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Re: I don't know what happened to that global warming promise, but somebody didn't deliver... [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19388096 - 01/08/14 01:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dislike a great many things. I don't like oil induced smog. I'd rather we didn't use much more oil. The effects of fracking are limited to their (relatively) local environment.

Nukes for the win! Plus, neither of the things you mentioned will likely damage the economy the way the climate change hysteria can.


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