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Supplement Stack for Anxiety
#19387189 - 01/08/14 10:08 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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So despite already being done with all entry level classes, I'm still sitting in a couple of massive lectures halls at school. For whatever reason, I get very nervous in these situations, and the anxiety hinders my ability to focus. I'm currently on a 3 month herb break so we'll see if that helps at all, I felt as though my smoking was escalating my anxiety a bit.
Anyway, there is plenty of natural/synthetic supplements one can take for anxiety. I'm just looking to hear from some people their experience with daily supplementing for anxiety. I've got etizolam for the really terrible occasions but I don't plan to take that daily whatsoever. Heres what I've been looking into so far:
L-Theanine (Tried it, seems to help, looking to stack it with others) 5-HTP (Still unsure if it helps anxiety, def helps sleep, taken with ECCG to prevent breakdown) L-Tyrosine (Still have yet to try it) St. Johns Wort Bacopa Monnieri Picamilon (Increases GABA levels which helps but I worry about withdrawl)
I plan on creating a stack and taking it probably 3-4 times a week, most likely as soon as I wake up which is around 8am
Any advice is appreciate, thank ya
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: OliverJames]
#19387194 - 01/08/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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I use valerian root for when I get really stressed Its like a benzodiazepine but more clean and natural feeling with less grogginess have you tried it?
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PsychedelicScience said: I use valerian root for when I get really stressed Its like a benzodiazepine but more clean and natural feeling with less grogginess have you tried it?
Ohh Valerian, ya I've used it as a sleep aid several times. Never tried taking it during the day, I'll give it a go. My only problem with valerian was that when I took for 10 days in a row one time (bad jet lag, was trying to get to sleep), it ended up giving me pretty terrible headaches. I'll try it again tho, thank you for the input
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: OliverJames]
#19387247 - 01/08/14 10:21 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: OliverJames]
#19387355 - 01/08/14 10:43 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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How's your sleep? I've tried most of those supplements you've mentioned but the one that really had a noticeable positive effect for me is something else, melatonin. Not taken at 8am, obviously. I pop one about 10 hours before I plan to wake up, and then go to bed once I get really tired. I've found that getting a full night of sound sleep really helps a lot, along with proper diet and making sure I eat frequently enough. You might also want to ask your doctor about buspirone, a mild non-benzo anti-anxiety medication with minimal side effects. It seems to work particularly well in synergy with melatonin, for reasons which are still being investigated by researchers.
Exercise would almost certainly help too, but I'm too lazy to find out. Mindfulness meditation also has a following for treating anxiety, and cognitive-behavior therapy is the gold standard, so make sure to keep those on your short-list if this remains a problem. You can practice them all from a book, so cost shouldn't be a huge issue.
Also, if you're in university I assume you're a younger guy... I would really try to keep the smoking (and drinking) to a minimum. They do not help in the long term when you are struggling with anxiety, and especially when you are younger than ~25. Ask any heavy ex-stoner why they quit after so many years and at least half of them will mention something about anxiety.
Sorry, I know you asked about supplements and I came back with a whole bunch of other random suggestions, but a multi-faceted approach towards treating anxiety has always worked best for me. Good luck and let me know if you have questions about anything!
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: OliverJames]
#19387372 - 01/08/14 10:46 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Could consider looking into a B Vitamin complex and SAM-E. B vitamins help with energy production and stress. SAM-E for various things ranging from mood and brain function to liver detoxification to joint strength. Supposedly in some European countries SAM-E is prescribed as an antidepressant, but it's available OTC in the states.
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: Ythan]
#19387544 - 01/08/14 11:22 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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Thank you very much for your response man! I have noticed that both sleep and exercise play a huge role in how anxious I'm feeling. I barely drink and I normally keep the smoking to the weekends, but my shitty sleep schedule definitely negatively impacts my mood. I've been trying to get on a solid schedule where I sleep 8-9 hours a night and wake up at the same time every day, still working on that.
Melatonin is definitely helpful for falling asleep, which I struggle with as it is, but I try not to take it on a daily basis as I've heard it can become habit forming and down regulate melatonin production in the brain. Have you heard anything about this?
Meditation is another exercise I definitely want to get involved with this year. I've been meaning to start for a long time.
I'm gonna try a stack of 5-HTP, Green Tea Extract, L-Theanine, and Valerian Root in the next hour or so and see how I feel goin into my lecture hall. Obviously I could experience a placebo effect but this problem has been goin on for a while now, I think itll be pretty obvious to me if it helps.
Thanks again for the response
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: OliverJames]
#19387558 - 01/08/14 11:25 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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2400mg gabapentin 50mg topomax 60mg cymbalta 15mg remeron multivitamin lots of berries and nuts
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: morrowasted]
#19387578 - 01/08/14 11:30 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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To be honest, I find that supplements end up making me more anxious.
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: koods]
#19387616 - 01/08/14 11:37 AM (10 years, 23 days ago) |
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phenibut
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I think there is no permanent supplemental treatment for anxiety. Everything you put into your body has a rebound effect, and if not, neuroplasticity develops and tolerance goes through the roof.
I'd suggest meditation, lots of sleep, and exercise. Maybe put yourself in semi-awkward social settings to get the jist of how to work it out on your own.
I'm anxious too. I just don't think everything can be treated with supplements.
Good vibes!
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: OliverJames]
#19388030 - 01/08/14 12:47 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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I have found that some of the Test Boosters out there work really well for anxiety and overall attitude and mood
I cycle TestFreak every 6 weeks and take 2 weeks off, and I definitely notice a difference after I get back into a cycle. Focus is higher, Anxiety is lower, Sex drive is higher, Mood is elevated. Pretty solid stuff
As Ythan said, Melatonin works great as well for a natural supplement that promotes healthy sleep
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: OliverJames]
#19388114 - 01/08/14 01:08 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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5 htp l-doba piracetam phenibut(only during heavy anxiety attacks) picamilon
only smoking indica dominant/ high cbd cannabis, and rarely at that
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: ViscousGoo]
#19388190 - 01/08/14 01:25 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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I use passion flower and green tea daily. Works wonders for general anxiety. Not perfect of course but it is what I have available to me.
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: Ythan]
#19393413 - 01/09/14 12:01 PM (10 years, 22 days ago) |
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Ythan said: How's your sleep? I've tried most of those supplements you've mentioned but the one that really had a noticeable positive effect for me is something else, melatonin. Not taken at 8am, obviously. I pop one about 10 hours before I plan to wake up, and then go to bed once I get really tired. I've found that getting a full night of sound sleep really helps a lot, along with proper diet and making sure I eat frequently enough. You might also want to ask your doctor about buspirone, a mild non-benzo anti-anxiety medication with minimal side effects. It seems to work particularly well in synergy with melatonin, for reasons which are still being investigated by researchers.
Exercise would almost certainly help too, but I'm too lazy to find out. Mindfulness meditation also has a following for treating anxiety, and cognitive-behavior therapy is the gold standard, so make sure to keep those on your short-list if this remains a problem. You can practice them all from a book, so cost shouldn't be a huge issue.
Also, if you're in university I assume you're a younger guy... I would really try to keep the smoking (and drinking) to a minimum. They do not help in the long term when you are struggling with anxiety, and especially when you are younger than ~25. Ask any heavy ex-stoner why they quit after so many years and at least half of them will mention something about anxiety.
Sorry, I know you asked about supplements and I came back with a whole bunch of other random suggestions, but a multi-faceted approach towards treating anxiety has always worked best for me. Good luck and let me know if you have questions about anything! 
Yea melatonin forgot about this but he asked for anxiety but they all are interconnected. A good brand of melatonin like the liquid stuff is the best. Chlorella is good too has lost of b vitamins and magesesium In it.
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Kava and valerian root are some good herbs for anxiety. I thoroughly enjoy both of them.
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: OliverJames]
#19393607 - 01/09/14 12:49 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Betablockers: propranolol.
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: Beanhead]
#19393658 - 01/09/14 01:03 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I also find cutting back on the caffeine lowers my anxiety.
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: The Vapor]
#19394036 - 01/09/14 02:50 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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The Vapor said: I also find cutting back on the caffeine lowers my anxiety.
Except for the first one, all the panic attacks I've had were precipitated by coffee. Fortunately, it's been ten years and I can now slam down a couple cups a day no problem.
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: Beanhead]
#19395049 - 01/09/14 06:08 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Beanhead said: Betablockers: propranolol.
Isn't that more for physical symptoms such as tremors?
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It's prescription only but baclofen works good. You can get it for pretty cheap on the internet.
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Beanhead said: Betablockers: propranolol.
Isn't that more for physical symptoms such as tremors?
Yup, but turning off the physical response to anxiety helps the mental anguish a lot. No sweaty palms or shakey voice or anything.
They work very well for most people
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: pcplease]
#19395700 - 01/09/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Beanhead said: Betablockers: propranolol.
Isn't that more for physical symptoms such as tremors?
Yup, but turning off the physical response to anxiety helps the mental anguish a lot. No sweaty palms or shakey voice or anything.
They work very well for most people 
Can beta blockers be used to treat gaba agonist withdrawal symptoms?
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I read that Atenolol can be used to treat symptoms of alcohol withdrawal.
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Somewhat yes, but I don't advise anyone to try and tackle GABA withdrawal alone- talk to your doc Say it's booze, get a script for ativan, and take it/taper as prescribed.
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luvdemboomers said: It's prescription only but baclofen works good. You can get it for pretty cheap on the internet.
I've never heard of baclofen, I'll look into it.
Honestly, I could easily get a script for some sort of anti-anxiety, my doc has offered me a script for wellbutrin. Never actually did any research into the stuff. I try pretty hard to avoid taking any medication daily, just doesn't sit right with me. I know people who take adderall daily, also know people who take some sort of benzo daily, such as klon or valium. All of em are so dependent on their meds, I don't wanna end up like that. I don't know if the change is permanent, but it seems like the medication completely altered their original brain chemistry.
Then again, I'd greatly benefit from an anti-anxiety, although so would many people
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: OliverJames]
#19395787 - 01/09/14 08:19 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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Try supplementing 30mg IV oxycodone 5x 1oz shot of 96+ proof whisky 5mg of alprazolam.
Will cure all of your anxiety problems pretty quickly.
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sVs said: Try supplementing 30mg IV oxycodone 5x 1oz shot of 96+ proof whisky 5mg of alprazolam.
Will cure all of your anxiety problems pretty quickly.

If that didn't prevent from learning absolutely anything, I'd do that all the time
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: OliverJames]
#19395805 - 01/09/14 08:22 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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It is definitely a little counter-intuitive for getting things done, but I swear you'll feel like a million bucks.
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: OliverJames]
#19395967 - 01/09/14 09:07 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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luvdemboomers said: It's prescription only but baclofen works good. You can get it for pretty cheap on the internet.
I've never heard of baclofen, I'll look into it.
Honestly, I could easily get a script for some sort of anti-anxiety, my doc has offered me a script for wellbutrin. Never actually did any research into the stuff. I try pretty hard to avoid taking any medication daily, just doesn't sit right with me. I know people who take adderall daily, also know people who take some sort of benzo daily, such as klon or valium. All of em are so dependent on their meds, I don't wanna end up like that. I don't know if the change is permanent, but it seems like the medication completely altered their original brain chemistry.
Then again, I'd greatly benefit from an anti-anxiety, although so would many people 
It's actually a muscle relaxer that is not abusable so it's easy to get prescribed. It's basically like the fast acting version of phenibut that IMO is harder to get dependent on. Wellbutrin would likely make your anxiety worse.
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Wellbutrin won't necessarily make his anxiety worse, he could well get better.
And yup, baclofen is a phenibut derivative. A GABAnergic drug like alcohol, benzos, and GHB. It can be somewhat abuseable as it greatly potentiates alcohol and benzos, but it is very easy to get a script for. Baclofen causes physical dependence/addiction. Just don't take it daily IMO
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: pcplease]
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: Johnny Depp]
#19396177 - 01/09/14 10:04 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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I tried a low dose of propanolol for my anxiety today. It took away the tightness in my chest which was a positive but it didn't really help the anxiety it actually gave me a bit more anxiety because I was concerned that it may have dropped my blood pressure too low. I actually have a healthy blood pressure and pulse. But for the last month or so my anxiety has been through the roof. I may continue to experiment with propanolol. But for now it seems the best pan symptom anxiety killer is a mix of herbal passionflower, some green tea, and a dash of alcohol for good measure.
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Re: Supplement Stack for Anxiety [Re: Mrcloudy]
#19397367 - 01/10/14 05:20 AM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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It depends on what form of anxiety. For public speaking propranolol is quite a gift .
It won't help with GABAergic withdrawals...
After a couple of months of extensive GHB usage I decided to quit and used this regime:
As soon as withdrawal symptoms emerge take 5-10g beta-alanine on an empty stomach with sufficient water. It'll temper them a lot.
2 x 1,5g l-carnitine a day and L-theanine for anxiety/hypotension
lamotrigine, memantine, en gabapentine also help tremendously.
& the simple multivitamin & zinc.
Edited by Beanhead (01/10/14 05:20 AM)
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