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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: 1down5up]
    #19371948 - 01/05/14 09:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So every time i've dunked my cakes after the first and second flush, every pin i left on aborts.  WTF?  It's really frustrating because there are quite a few.  New pins do form, but i can't figure out why the other pins abort like that....
24 hours in cold water, then back in the fc.


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: 1down5up]
    #19372027 - 01/05/14 09:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:justdontknow: maybe try dunking at room temp


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: cronicr]
    #19372115 - 01/05/14 10:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'll give it a hook for sure.  On one cake i didn't dunk after first flush, and second flush was small and wimpy....will always dunk now...even with aborts.  Maybe it's due to MS...


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: 1down5up]
    #19372134 - 01/05/14 10:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you may not need the 24 hours again either, i usually only need about 12 after the first flush


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: cronicr]
    #19372155 - 01/05/14 10:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:  Will try that.  Read somewhere on my travels that the excess moisture might be a cause of aborted pins, which were otherwise healthy.:shrug:


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: 1down5up]
    #19372293 - 01/05/14 10:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

can't win them all:mad:


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: cronicr]
    #19374020 - 01/05/14 05:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nope, ya can't, but i'll win most!:wink:

So i just finished my agar substitute with my LC I made from my first shroom.  Can't really say for sure that i'm happy with it, but i'm hopeful.  Few things i realized after i was done.....

-First time i used a PC, so not sure if i left'm long enough.  They were in there between 15-20 minutes after the top started dancing.

-I should've shook the syringe more between knock ups...it broke up pretty good, but i'm not sure if any pieces came out in the one drop i used.

-the poly was wet with a few droplets from condensation, as was the tip of the needle from the cooling drop after the flame.  It might have made the poly even wetter going thru.  Don't know if that's bad...

fuck man, every time i start knockin' up jars, i got'er down pat in my head till i get going.  Then forget half the shit i know i should remember till i'm done....and i don't even smoke pot anymore!!  Remember that time you had somethin' stellar to say to that chick in high school, and you went up to open your mouth and nothing came out....yeah, that's how my procedure goes.  Oh well...learn learn learn!!

a few pics...Here they are all lined up, just ready to go in the PC, and a close up of'em.


The other thing besides the jars in there is the syringe used to suck up the LC.


all knocked up and ready to go.


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: 1down5up]
    #19374149 - 01/05/14 06:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

perfect:thumbup: make a few transfers and get yourself some agar now, this is harder to do so you got this:cool:


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: 1down5up]
    #19382801 - 01/07/14 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Looking good :thumbup:

I am interested to see how your agar substitute works I have looked into that method as well.  Have you inoculated from your  honey LC yet?  My first with karo never grew anything but I tried again with organic honey and it seems to be working better.

In regards to your problem with aborts I have been having the same sort of issue.  Pins will turn all blue after the dunk and stall where they are at.  I only dunk for 12 hours for the second flush and this seems to help some.  24 hr dunk then roll for the first, 12 hour dunk only for the 2nd and 3rd. 

There are a couple times where I have harvested a cake and noticed a TON of pins coming in for the 2nd flush.  In these cases where there were a lot I was too afraid to dunk thinking it would kill my chance at seeing those pins grow out.  A few pins I don't mind losing but when we are talking 20-30 I leave it alone.  These will continue to grow and although the weight is probably less because of a more dried out cake it is better then losing them completely IMO. 

I have learned that a lot of this is a cake by cake basis.  I treat each differently depending on the amount of pinning, how heavy/light the cake is, etc.


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: SgtPepperNo9]
    #19384443 - 01/07/14 07:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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perfect:thumbup: make a few transfers and get yourself some agar now, this is harder to do so you got this:cool:




GOt some petris on the way and will look for some agar this weekend.  I got a few places in mind should carry it.  There's a wholesale supplier that supplies to all the local and surrounding restaurants that should have it.  Just put my new cakes in the bigger FC tonight and figure they'll pin pretty fast...been consolidating for over 2 weeks now.  One's got some healthy in vitro pins even after the dunk..will clone and isolate those on the agar:thumbup:  Two more "taller" stragglers won't be ready till tomorrow or the next day, and that's without consolidation....but they gotta go if my next round of bulk is gonna make it on time.  Might even put'em in one of my smaller FC's

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Looking good :thumbup:

I am interested to see how your agar substitute works I have looked into that method as well.  Have you inoculated from your  honey LC yet?  My first with karo never grew anything but I tried again with organic honey and it seems to be working better.

In regards to your problem with aborts I have been having the same sort of issue.  Pins will turn all blue after the dunk and stall where they are at.  I only dunk for 12 hours for the second flush and this seems to help some.  24 hr dunk then roll for the first, 12 hour dunk only for the 2nd and 3rd. 

There are a couple times where I have harvested a cake and noticed a TON of pins coming in for the 2nd flush.  In these cases where there were a lot I was too afraid to dunk thinking it would kill my chance at seeing those pins grow out.  A few pins I don't mind losing but when we are talking 20-30 I leave it alone.  These will continue to grow and although the weight is probably less because of a more dried out cake it is better then losing them completely IMO. 

I have learned that a lot of this is a cake by cake basis.  I treat each differently depending on the amount of pinning, how heavy/light the cake is, etc.




All the agar sub's were knocked up with the honey LC i made.  The myc looked great man...nice and white.  I shook the shit out of it and sucked it up with a sterile syringe...but i think I should have shook it  up a little more when i knocked'em up.  The agar sub was pretty easy man, and if i can do it you can too.  thanks to cronicr for hookin' me up with that.  It's great for folks that can't find agar and want to get some skills.  I'll keep posting their progress in this thread till i use them to start another grow.

In regards to the aborts, i'm gonna go by the weight of the cake for future dunks.  If after 12 hours they feel heavy, i'll drop'em back in the FC.  I think i will adopt your dunking regime because it seems to fit with my situation right now. Thanks for the confirmation man:thumbup:

As for harvesting the cakes with smaller pins...I'm gonna let'em grow out till no more grow, then dunk.  I figure that smaller shrooms at the end of a flush are much better than aborts at the beginning of another.  Once the cake is dry, it won't produce anymore anyway, until it's saturated again.  And if it's not producing, it's probably not using up substrate, so all i'm really losing is a few days time.  Again, i'll just give'm a lift and see how heavy they are.  I agree with everything you've said there Sarge, and we seem to be on the same learning page...thanks for poppin' in man and throwing down some suggestions.

I think growing cakes is a great way to get yourself some fungi growing knowledge.  I can't stop staring at them, and wondering about every variable of the grow to see where i can improve.  It's like an experiment with a million variables you get to test to see which works best for you.

This hobby's got me so excited, i'm a lifer.


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: 1down5up]
    #19386963 - 01/08/14 08:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Got my new cakes in the big SGFC now..and i noticed some myc growth on the agar subs this morning.  I think 5 out of the 8 are showing.  I'm at work now, so i'll  upload some pics when i get home.

My first set of cakes is coming to an end, the third flush on my first cake is well on it's way, and it's got only two on it, but they're gonna be pretty big.


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: 1down5up]
    #19386965 - 01/08/14 08:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

great stuff! look foreward to some pics


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: cronicr]
    #19387177 - 01/08/14 10:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: NOTFALL3N]
    #19388803 - 01/08/14 03:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Here they are in the bigger FC.  The short fat ones are orissa India, and the taller ones are Mexi cub.  Two more Mexi's will be done tomorrow, and one more Orissa will prob be about 3 days or so later.  I got a much better verm cover on the cakes this time, hoping to do away with some of the bluing myc stress from the empty spots on the last grow.


This cake here was consolidating for almost two weeks...it only took 21 days to colonize and was showing invitro pins shortly after full colonization.  I'm hoping to clone and print the shit out of this one:thumbup:


So far, 7 of the 8 agar subs i knocked up are showing signs of myc growth....i'm so fuckin stoked!!  I got a pic of them all, but only this one came out clear enough.  I think i'll stick to spore prints for the little glass jars cuz i can't really see too well in them.  I've got some petris coming soon anyway, so that will do away with that problem.

I know it's small, but it's growth!!  I can't believe my LC worked so well...got my fingers crossed that contams stay away long enough for me to get some clean cuts from it and put onto agar.  Looked all day for agar around here...gonna have to go online for it.


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: 1down5up]
    #19388917 - 01/08/14 04:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:rockon:


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: cronicr]
    #19389278 - 01/08/14 05:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: 1down5up]
    #19390522 - 01/08/14 08:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Looks like you have the taller ones laying on their side.  Have you noticed they perform better that way?  I haven't tried that yet.


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: SgtPepperNo9]
    #19391469 - 01/09/14 12:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Looks like you have the taller ones laying on their side.  Have you noticed they perform better that way?  I haven't tried that yet.




im interested in hearing about this as well


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: absum]
    #19392424 - 01/09/14 06:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno, don't have as much exp with it yet.  I did notice that my second flush on taller cakes didn't dry out as fast on their sides.  I got a better verm coat on them now, so hopefully we'll see.  I've got two more taller cakes being dunked tonight, and placed tomorrow...I'll put one up and one down and see.


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Re: My First Grow PF tek BRF [Re: 1down5up]
    #19394707 - 01/09/14 05:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just want to keep a daily picture update of this LC on BRF agar sub.  It seems to look pretty good so far, it's gonna be cool to see the daily growth.


And this was the last agar sub i had that had yet to show, when i got home from work i saw this...looks like i'm 8 for 8:thumbup:  Now, to see if i can keep the contams away!!

Anyone know if you can store this stuff for any length of time?  I don't have the means to do anything with it till i clear out an FC...or buy more, but i really don't have the room yet...


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